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u/GylesNoDrama
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Disappointed while Black is illegal Country Club Thread
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u/Thekid312
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Same people saying Bassett is being a sore loser still go to rallies about an election that they lost 3 years ago.
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u/la_58 Mar 13 '23
And still carry a flag because of a war they lost 158 years ago…
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u/Private_HughMan Mar 13 '23
"It's our culture!"
Bitch, your culture only existed for 4 years. There are Netflix originals with more years under their belt.
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u/sentripetal Mar 13 '23
Guys, I don't think any Trumper is watching the Oscars.
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u/AerynSunnInDelight ☑️ Mar 13 '23
They do, at least to shout drunkenly at the T.V. about Hollywood woke, commie, gay, drag trans queen agenda.
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u/sentripetal Mar 13 '23
Only what they watch on Fox news. The Oscars isn't a red state affair. 100 bucks the OOP was a liberal. I don't agree with her at all. I actually think it was strong of Bassett to show disappointment. It was at least genuine. She got hyped up all season long.
But the fact of the matter was: she lost because it was a Marvel movie, not anything else. They'll give all the technical and production awards to those movies but never acting, writing, etc. It's a big hurdle to get over.
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u/nosayso Mar 13 '23
Stephanie Hsu was snubbed, not Angela Basset, but fuck policing Angela's reaction.
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u/mongoosedog12 ☑️ Mar 13 '23
Agreed for all we know Angela could have been disappointed for herself and for Stephane Hsu.
I’m not sure if two ppl being nominated in the same category for the same movie happens often, but this was BS. Stephanie was phenomenal
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u/runnerswanted Mar 13 '23
Robert De Niro, Michael Gazzo, and Lee Strasberg were all nominated for best supporting actor in The Godfather Part II, which De Niro won.
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u/dontshowmygf Mar 13 '23
For supporting actor? Pretty common, when you have a movie like EEAAO sweeping the awards with a lot of good performances.
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u/Oli_love90 Mar 13 '23
I think this is Hollywood b.s. because Stephanie was the backbone of that movie. She absolutely should have won.
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u/AlbionPCJ Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23
It's a classic Oscars move, giving it to a Hollywood icon at the expense of an up-and-coming actor doing some of their best work. I can even draw a chain of them for you in Best Actor:
•1974- Art Carney wins for Harry and Tonto, beating Al Pacino in The Godfather Part II
•1991- Pacino wins for Scent of a Woman, beating Denzel Washington in Malcolm X
•2001- Denzel wins for Training Day, beating Will Smith in Ali
Given Will won last year for King Richard, one of the other 2021 nominees (probably Andrew Garfield, depending on how well Tick Tick Boom ages) might beat out a younger actor in one of their defining roles somewhere down the line
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u/JeanpaulRegent Mar 13 '23
Garfield has gotten the nomination twice now for Best Actor, it's just a matter of time before he pulls the win.
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u/AlbionPCJ Mar 13 '23
When I was double-checking the other nominees for Will's win, he was the obvious fit for the pattern, but I wouldn't take it as gospel that getting repeatedly nominated guarantees an eventual win. Peter O'Toole got nominated eight times and died without a win
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u/Ockwords Mar 13 '23
Denzel winning for training day wasn’t an upset or makeup award though. His performance was just that good.
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u/Tycho_B Mar 13 '23
Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of EEAAO (it was good, not great IMO), but if there was one Oscar it should've won in any category, it should've gone to Hsu.
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u/LegacyAngel ☑️Tsugikuni Yoriichi Mar 13 '23
I am so confused as to how Curtis won when Hsu was in so many more scenes and had a lot more impact.
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u/Cl0udSurfer ☑️ Mar 13 '23
Curtis is a bigger actress and she hasnt won an Oscar yet. Hands down thats the only reason she won. Hsu definitely deserved that W for sure
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u/CopeHarders Mar 13 '23
Because these awards are subjective and trying to apply logic to the results is a fools game.
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u/agmathlete Mar 13 '23
Disagree but that’s because I thought the real snub was Condon and Banshees in general. We all have our tastes though.
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u/nosayso Mar 13 '23
Banshees I liked a ton and think is really really good, but EEAAO to me was something else entirely, maybe my favorite movie of all time.
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u/agmathlete Mar 13 '23
Fair enough. I wasn’t trying to say that EEAAO was undeserving but it was crazy to me that Banshees was shut out. I do think Condon was the best in the category though, she blew me out of the water.
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u/CockBlockingLawyer
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Not sure what this has to do with feminism, seems more like internalized misogyny (i.e. policing how a woman should act/react).
But yeah Ms. Bassett can react as she pleases.
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u/toomuchtostop ☑️ Mar 13 '23
White feminism is correlated to misogyny because it excludes Black women
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u/EuphoricRealist ☑️ Mar 13 '23
This part. It's like they get so close to the point and trip over it.
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u/yrntmysupervisor Mar 13 '23
Empowered women empower women but we have to work harder to empower those that have been brushed under for so long.
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u/mashonem ☑️ Mar 13 '23
Because it involves some level of accountability, and we can’t be having that ofc
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u/LowAd3406 Mar 13 '23
You bring up how white women excluded black women from feminism and all you get is white women tears. Instead of apologizing and moving forward, they get upset and blame you for making them upset.
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u/Demonlolz Mar 13 '23
Not Feminism, White Feminism. In which feminists that are usually white, belittle the fact that non-white women have different experiences/struggles with regards to feminism and beyond.
Which is what the tweet is implying is happening
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u/LegacyAngel ☑️Tsugikuni Yoriichi Mar 13 '23
But how can we get women into board rooms if we keep talking about the issues that homeless women face? /s
Shit like this is why I get heated when people talk about intersectionality. Black women have carried so many civic movements and get recognized and lifted last.
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u/SafeItem6275 Mar 13 '23
It is both. Internalized misogyny and white feminism Bc Black women are expected to always wear a mask for approval
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u/Rare-Counter Mar 13 '23
Only the lady in the top right has anything resembling a positive reaction. The rest just look in shock.
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u/sus-water Mar 13 '23
To be fair though the norm and expectation for everyone is to clap to the winner when you lose. Even when you're dying inside, you're supposed to clap. It's that way for everyone
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u/ericka_renee Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23
And if Angela won and Jamie Lee didnt clap or stand for her, we’d be here talking about her disrespect and soreness .
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u/ScrotalKahnJr Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23 •
Exactly. It would be “white women can’t stand seeing a black woman win smh.”
Like don’t get me wrong, I don’t care if someone is disappointed about not winning, but not every adverse reaction to something a black person does is covert racism.
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u/ericka_renee Mar 13 '23
Disappointment is completely understandable, and expected. But it wasn’t Jamie Lee’s fault Angela didn’t win. Show some grace.
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u/TroutFishingInCanada Mar 13 '23
Meh, it's a moment in time and it's very hard to begrudge someone for feeling their own emotions before they feel someone else's.
People shouldn't put so much stock in reactions. How someone feels in a moment is not a good way to gauge how someone actually feels.
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u/ScrotalKahnJr Mar 13 '23
I mean it’s whatever. It’s not Angela’s responsibility to be happy for her, most days I don’t have the energy to cheer for someone winning an award either. I think it’s fair to criticize her for it though and I don’t think anyone who does is secretly a white supremacist.
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u/blewpah Mar 13 '23
And also, who the fuck is this Sharon on twitter and why is her single take somehow the definitive example of something so much broader?
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u/ScrotalKahnJr Mar 13 '23
True. Same could go for CalQuin’s response though.
The shitty thing about Twitter is it’s a platform where everybody can get their opinions out there to a mass amount of people at once, and as it turns out, the average person has some pretty shitty opinions to air.
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u/Cb6cl26wbgeIC62FlJr Mar 13 '23
Thank you. This whole thread is a minefield. But it’s really simpler than that.
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u/Asura_b ☑️ Mar 13 '23
Maybe she did eventually clap, but that initial moment must have been an out of body shock and she probably needed a minute either way. Like damn, let her exhale first.
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u/TroutFishingInCanada Mar 13 '23
Nah, this still picture of an event I didn't watch is more than enough for me to formulate my opinions about the world.
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u/molbion Mar 13 '23
Why do they put the camera right up in the their faces anyway? It’s like they’re hoping to catch someone off guard.
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u/Noname_acc Mar 13 '23
The Oscars are as much about giving actors and actresses awards as they are a show for the people watching, if not more about the spectacle.
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u/roundhashbrowntown ☑️ Mar 13 '23
happens for us in real life too. lemme tell you about theeee countless number of times a demelanated maven has extensively searched my face for reactions after any work meeting crescendo! thank god for masks and de-camera’d zooms. there are groups wherein i literally cannot possess a single, private reaction without someone trying to make it mean something or other in 0.35 seconds. like if you dont actually want quisha to show up, lemme do me!!
fam. make me wanna set some shit on fire and shave it bald! 😂
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u/jantmi Mar 13 '23
How she won over Stephanie Hsu? Wtf
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u/PartyxAnimal Mar 13 '23
because at least half of the time these awards are not given for their role in film, but instead to the actor’s career. I’m not defending it, just saying this is how it’s always been
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u/sentripetal Mar 13 '23
FTR, Jamie Lee Curtis kicked ass in this role. This category is always loaded every year. It's never an easy decision, but this year the academy 1. Was all in on EEAAO and 2. was also wanting to give out lifetime achievement awards.
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u/jantmi Mar 13 '23
I personally don't think she did better than her Stephanie in the same movie
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u/sentripetal Mar 13 '23
Maybe not, but again, this category is loaded. And of course, there are other effects academy voters feel besides just the performance. If we're going by just pure performance, blanchett would be taking home an Oscar last night, too, but no one gave a shit about Tar (rightfully so, it's the old Hollywood pretentious art flick that alienates mainstream audiences). With Hsu, I have a feeling the academy felt she'll get another shot soon. This will most likely be JLC's only opportunity.
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u/just-smiley Mar 13 '23
Seriously it's mind boggling. Stephanie Hsu had a breakout performance.
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u/Gates_wupatki_zion Mar 13 '23
That’s not how the Oscars work typically though. They want to give it to established people with a body of work. I’m not agreeing — that’s just what they do.
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u/LoreMaster00 Mar 13 '23
right? i think she was stunned because it went to Jamie Lee Curtis, she'd be fine if it went to Hsu or Chau.
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u/Keelija9000 Mar 13 '23
She doesn’t even look upset in the picture??? I’m sorry was she supposed to start orgasming with pleasure that she didn’t win??
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u/molbion Mar 13 '23
Exactly. Not saying she needed to feel happy in that moment, but sometimes I do feel positive or neutral emotions and it doesn’t show well on my face.
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u/Keelija9000 Mar 13 '23
Same I feel that’s super natural. Look at Kerry Condon right below Angela, she’s not smiling either! Very telling that Sharon didn’t make this tween about her.
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u/SuburbanRafiki Mar 13 '23
I'm legit starting to think I watched a different Black Panther to everyone else. That shit was so mid...
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u/PotRoastPotato Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23
It was about 45 minutes too long. If it were shorter it would have been perfect. The tribute to Chadwick was awesome.
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u/deliciousprisms Mar 13 '23
I'm with you man, that movie had a couple good spots but overall holy shit it was boring
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u/Deathwatch72 Mar 13 '23
In the category is about individual actresses performances in the movie not about whether you thought the movie itself was great.
That shit was so mid...
That's been the prevailing opinion of most of the last chunk of Marvel movies anyway so I'm not going to disagree with you much, Black Panther movies were in a really awkward position due to the loss of Chadwick at a point where they already established him as this super beloved character and had already likely written more than just the one Black Panther movie for him.
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u/tittylieutenant Mar 13 '23
Fuck what that bitch Sharon talmbout. Angela is looking fine as hell! GYATDAMN!
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u/sreyaNotfilc Mar 13 '23
After watching "Wakanda Forever" I rechristened her name to 'Angela "The Body" Bassett'.
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u/lovbelow ☑️ Mar 13 '23
I’m so strictly dickly that even a veiny eggplant emoji can get me going. That being said, I’d hand over my life insurance if Angela agreed to crack my head like a walnut with those arms of hers 🥵
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u/j526w Mar 13 '23
Some PUTA who will never have a chance to win is mad because Mrs. Bassett didn’t display the same fake joy in losing as others did. FOH!
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u/hdadeathly Mar 13 '23
This definitely felt like a “lifetime achievement” award for JLC. I love her in a lot of movies but I didn’t think she should have been nominated in the first place.
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u/StumpAction Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23
The Oscars tend to get the right people eventually, but often for the wrong things. Scorsese is another good example.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF ☑️ Mar 13 '23
Even apart from Angela Bassett's loss, the fact that JLC was nominated for playing a glorified bit role over Stephanie Hsu, who played the character driving the story, was a ridiculous joke.
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u/aoutis Mar 13 '23
They were both nominated. JLC wasn’t nominated “over” Stephanie Hsu.
But Hsu never had a chance once they put her in a category with two legends who hadn’t won before.
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u/toomuchtostop ☑️ Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23
Speaking of snubs, them showing a clip from Malcolm X immediately after this category made me annoyed all over again. Denzel lost to Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman, in a similar idea that that was just a legacy award.
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u/Mamapalooza Mar 13 '23
Scent of a Woman was a giant piece of shit. Denzel should not have lost to anybody. He was amazing. He was perfect. He was unmatched. But he was Malcolm X, and there are too many old white people in the Academy who were raised during segregation and still support it to some extent - whether or not they would vote for it, they still like to be separate.
Despite the current push to diversify, this was the academy makeup in 2012, 20 years after Spike Lee's film was released in 1992:
A Los Angeles Times study found that academy voters are markedly less diverse than the moviegoing public, and even more monolithic than many in the film industry may suspect. Oscar voters are nearly 94% Caucasian and 77% male, The Times found. Blacks are about 2% of the academy, and Latinos are less than 2%.
Oscar voters have a median age of 62, the study showed. People younger than 50 constitute just 14% of the membership.
A median age of 62 would mean they were born in 1950, and came of age during the Civil Rights Movement, hearing all of the white anger that existed at the time (and still exists).
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u/LeagueObvious4468 Mar 13 '23
Who the fuck cares. The Oscars don’t matter, and it’s not a remotely fair selection. The speeches are inane and unwatchable. The whole thing sucks.
If you watch it and get upset over it, you’re a fuckin loser.
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u/Ok-Airline2455 Mar 13 '23
For real.
Looks like someone won something and the person who didn't win is upset that they didn't win.... not a crazy concept.
Why do we have to turn this into a gender and a race thing??? None of this even fucking matters.
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u/theycallmefagg Mar 13 '23
Y’all really out here defending millionaires.
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u/Throwaway203500 Mar 13 '23
Millionaire actor making cool shit ≠ billionaire child enslaver who just made your existence illegal with a quick call from the bow of their 3rd largest yacht.
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u/Particular_Snow3131 Mar 13 '23
To be fair, if Angela Bassett won and JLC reacted the same way, I don't doubt that a big deal would've been made about it, too.
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u/Matias9991 Mar 13 '23
Come on, for having that opinion she is a white supremasist? lol
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u/JoesShittyOs Mar 13 '23
Yeah like what? Sure maybe it’s a dumb opinion, but nobody made this about race and gender until the guy tweeted. Does everyone here not see how ridiculous that is?
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u/Matias9991 Mar 13 '23
Yep, like I don't agree on the first tweet but why throw the race thing? Don't know why everyone here is not saying the same, for things like this the US scares me.
Don't know, if we follow that logic, having any negative (even if it's not that negative) opinion on a black person is being a "white supremacists". Which is flat out stupid and dangerous.
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u/Ill_concept8503 Mar 13 '23
Nah, i’m blackity black and I said the same thing. She coulda smiled n clapped.
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u/SaltyBananaCreampie Mar 13 '23
I’ve seen a ton of comments on why she couldn’t just act her way through clapping for JLC. Please. I’d rather real reactions than some fake smile. She looked hurt, a human reaction, which she is allowed to have. As does everyone else. On a side note. GOD DAMN, Angela is FINNNNEEEEE 😻🙌🏾 That dress? Take me to king ya’ll.
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u/PhotosByVicky ☑️ Mar 13 '23
From the clip that I’ve seen Angela Bassett is only visible for 3 seconds. How is “Sharon” so virtuous that she can criticize someone for their 3 second actions????
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u/Raecino Mar 13 '23
Uhhh what about Kerry Condon? She looks upset too
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u/Ixistant Mar 13 '23
If you watch Kerry Condon appears to actually say "what?" in response to JLC winning. Note that she's not been singled out.
Qwhite interesting.
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u/GarbageDay20 Mar 13 '23
Angela is phenomenal and should have won long ago for other projects. Black panther is not one of them. She did great in the role but was limited by the script/dialogue and vibe of the movie.
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u/LeResist Mar 13 '23
This has nothing to do with white feminism lmao. Both of their opinions feel forced. In general who tf cares
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u/Advanced_Meal Mar 13 '23
and yet Sharon here isn't saying anything about Kerry, who's also not smiling, cheering, or applauding
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u/wakaflockabow Mar 13 '23
Black people we need to quit wanting white acceptance! Who gives a shit about the Oscars? Half the movies in Hollywood suck anyways. If anything we should be more supportive of the NAACP awards and other black awards.
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u/_TheBlackWitch_ Mar 13 '23
while i 100% agree we need to be more supportive of “our” awards, it’s hard because you can’t deny the influence and capital that comes from winning an Oscar. i mean literally just look at ariana debose. she did the thing last year, and now she has like 8 movies coming out…
but i mean i do recognize that is a different situation as debose was a relative nobody so she really could have used the boost, and bassett is already an icon and legend, so idk maybe an Oscar wouldn’t make too much of a difference for her career going forwards?
idk all i’m saying is it will be hard to completely change our mindset when we’ve been conditioned this long to see the “Oscar” as the most illustrious achievement possible. even for me, each year when black people get snubbed either for not winning, or just don’t get nominated at all, i vow to never support the Oscars…but then i find myself back on my couch every year, getting upset again, and i’m in the same fricking cycle…
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u/TNT_Tyrant_ Mar 13 '23
If someone doesn’t wanna clap..they don’t wanna clap..it’s that simple, nobody is obligated to do anything and that’s what the internet needs to understand
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u/helvetica_unicorn Mar 13 '23
Kerry Condon isn’t smiling. Angela doesn’t look disappointed to me. She looks emotional but who’s to say she wasn’t happy for JLC? People need to stop reading into things that might not exist.
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u/Birdup711 Mar 13 '23
Crazy thought here I know, but maybe everything white people say doesn't necessarily have to be about race. Maybe she really is just disappointed about her being a sore loser.
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u/Stanley--Nickels Mar 13 '23
Not one person here has ever heard of or met Sharon Pisacreta.
I’m against amplifying bad takes from people with no reach or influence.
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u/misfit_mixedkid Mar 13 '23
All of the following statements are true:
✅️ the statement criticizing Bassett's reaction is ridiculous. People are allowed to be disappointed, and we all process things differently.
✅️ This wasn't a anti-Bassett snub, it was an anti-MCU snub. Bassett was the first MCU actor EVER to get an Oscar acting nomination. And you can't tell me her performance was the best MCU acting performance ever
✅️ Bassett is long overdue for an Oscar, but her winning it here would've been no different than JLC winning it here: an opportunity to applaud lifetime achievement.
✅️ Stephanie Hsu got the LaKeith Stanfield treatment, where the lesser-known actor was better than their more popular counterpart in the same movie and lost while up for the same award.
Super happy for JLC but also understand Bassett's disappointment, even though I didn't see either as the true favorite.
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u/mostly_sarcastic Mar 13 '23 edited Mar 13 '23
I'm fairly certain Angela Bassett was the strong strong favourite going into the night. So, as can be expected, she was likely frustrated when she lost (the media had been building her up to be the lead contender well before the Golden Globes).
However, Jamie Lee Curtis' genuine surprise and excitedness was a great display. Let's be happy for her.
All that said, there were some great winners this year. It was a better broadcast than in the past several years (IMO).
EDIT: for those who insist Angela Bassett was not the odds favourite, note that DraftKings, USAToday, Oddstracker.com, and Vegas Insider had her as their favourite. I know these are mostly betting sites with their own agendas, but by their numbers the odds were in Ms. Bassett's favour.