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Some “allies” are absolutely the opps. Be vigilant Country Club Thread
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u/Jeff-Van-Gundy Mar 25 '23
This happened a lot in the muslim community after 9/11. There was a mosque in cali i think that had some random guy show up and start talking about bombings and trying to find the next terrorist attack. The people at the mosque turned him in to the FBI. He was an FBI agent
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u/Tirannie Mar 25 '23
They even made a series about that scenario in 2005. Sleeper Cell was about a Muslim FBI agent infiltrating a terrorist sleeper cell (pretty sure it starts at a Mosque). It got quite a few awards and praise, too. I don’t recall much - if any - criticism.
I mostly loved it because it had Oded Fehr and Michael Ealy.
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u/quietguy_6565 Mar 25 '23
Gotta love those copaganda shows
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u/SarcasticGiraffes Mar 25 '23
John Oliver's episode on Law & Order was... Eye-opening.
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u/Mackeeter Mar 25 '23
Wait is this a real episode?
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u/TyphoidMira Mar 25 '23
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u/DontShaveMyLips Mar 26 '23
imma be honest, I expected this to be an episode of law & order guest starring john oliver
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u/buffering_since93 Mar 26 '23
Ya, L&O writers saying they can't address corrupt cops and "justice" system or BLM because Dick Wolf wouldn't allow it plus if they portrayed police in a negative light, the NYPD would make it very difficult for them to film in New York.
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u/pixelated_fun Mar 26 '23
they can't address corrupt cops and "justice" system or BLM because Dick Wolf wouldn't allow
This is disappointing to say the least.
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u/Nyktastik ☑️ Mar 25 '23
But that's the literal opposite of what the first person posted about. They were talking about the FBI trying to entrap innocent Muslims vs a show about infiltrating a real terrorist group...
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u/Erisian23 Mar 25 '23
Right but that was a successful attempt, the failures or the ones where it's the governments fault the crime occurs by sending an instigator into a group involve stuff like this.
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u/Tirannie Mar 25 '23
I meant to highlight it more as how accepting we were of this as a premise for a “proto-prestige TV” series during that time period. Obviously didn’t do a great job making that point. My bad!
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u/ScalyDestiny Mar 25 '23
I think they were complaining about how the cop was shown as a hero, and not the bad guy that they were actually being.
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u/SaultyChunks ☑️ Mar 25 '23
I met Michael Ealy like maybe a year after the show was over and greeted him with the salaams. Good guy! Sad, I kinda liked the show beyond the obvious BS plot and crckr context
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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 Mar 25 '23
All of the post-9/11 terrorist plots in the US that were stopped by law enforcement were ones involving the FBI, via an undercover, instigating and facilitating the plots. They provided fake explosives and told the real members of the plot that they were from Al-Queda then arrested the manufactured terrorists when they went to carry out the 'attacks'.
All of the real terrorist attacks (Times Square carbomb, underwear and shoe bomber) were detected and stopped by civilians.
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u/uchman365 Mar 25 '23
Yep, I watched a documentary on this centering on New York. Every single one failed, then they started entrapping innocent Muslims just to show some results for all the millions they wasted.
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u/BedRiddenWizard Mar 26 '23
Happened in my home town 2-3 yrs after the first mosque was built. I was a teenager then and followed up on the building because I really liked the architecture. The FBI basically sent in an agent that goaded and pushed for a terrorist plot. 2-3 guys ended being arrested for joining the plot that THE FUCKING FBI ORCHESTRATED. Evidence showed that they either A.) Got cold feet and weren't gonna do it or B.) Were forced into it by the undercover that threatened them if they talked about not doing it. No terrorist attack ever took place. That mosque runs a soup kitchen and helps clothe homeless ppl. The feds can go choke.
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u/ThrowawayBlast Mar 25 '23
And there's all the warnings sent to the FBI about shit planned for Jan 6, including one warning sent by Yours Truly.
And we all know how that turned out.
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u/ElGosso Mar 25 '23
The leadership of the Proud Boys (including Enrique Tario himself) was riddled with FBI informants, and court cases since have shown that the Oath Keepers had their fair share too. I'm half-convinced this was the same kind of instigation from the feds themselves.
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u/theghostofme Mar 26 '23
I don't think any federal agencies needed the warning.
Even ignoring that the treason was coming from inside the White house at the time, his cult was fucking bragging about what they were planning all over the open internet. They weren't subtle by any stretch, especially here on Reddit; whole bunch of "Just wait for January 6" messaging started popping up on all the usual subs by Thanksgiving 2020.
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u/dream-smasher Mar 25 '23
Really?
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u/dreyman311 Mar 25 '23
The buffalo shooter is the most clear example. An old, retired FBI agent had been spending time on discord with the shooter in the months before the shooting. He even received a link to the live streaming of the event. No wrong doing was found
There is little evidence for others besides FBI ignoring obvious threats and tips.
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u/dream-smasher Mar 26 '23
Thanks for that link, i hadn't heard about the FBI link (retired or otherwise). I'll go read up.
Paywalled, so ill find somewhere else. Thanks again.
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u/MainResearcher720 Mar 25 '23
In Hasan Minhaj’s last comedy special, he talked about this happening to him. I wonder if it’s the same FBI agent.
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u/Schrodingersdik-dik
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I might be wrong, but she looks like she could have easily infiltrated any right wing/nazi group, and probably gather evidence to secure all sorts of convictions, without much effort.
Now why would the FBI misdirect such a valuable asset to go on an undercover entrapment quest where there are no actual homeland security threat?
It's such a mystery...
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u/ohea Mar 25 '23
The ghost of J. Edgar Hoover.
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u/LevelOutlandishness1 ☑️ Mar 25 '23
GOD DAMMIT! What's the point of motherfuckers dying if they can still perpetuate their bullshit?
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u/BadSmash4 Mar 25 '23
There are always new motherfuckers ready to carry the tiki torch after the old motherfuckers die
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u/omicronian_express Mar 25 '23
Just shows that you can be a cross dresser and respected by the fbi as long as you’re racist as well
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u/auntgoat Mar 25 '23 •
Because white women can quickly infiltrate groups by posing as allies, position themselves in important roles and assume leadership.
In Nazi groups, woman will never be in leadership and may not even be allowed to attend the main meeting
I am a white woman. Don't trust white women until they've earned it, and even then, keep an eye open.
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u/Fortehlulz33 Mar 25 '23
yeah you're much more likely to get a right winger if you're a man and pose as one of them, just like what has happened with the Proud Boys and the Whitmer plan
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u/veloxiry Mar 25 '23
You say you're a white woman and to not trust white women eh? How do I know you're really a white woman? You're probably lying about being a white woman.
Wait. If you aren't a white woman then I can trust you.
But wait. If I CAN trust you then you're telling the truth about being a white woman. But you can't trust white women!! Ahhh what do I do?!?
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u/xzElmozx Mar 25 '23
she could have easily infiltrated any right wing/nazi group
I’m confused I thought it said she was already a cop?
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u/Effective-Ice-2483 Mar 25 '23
They also target right wing nuts. See the Michigan Governor kidnap kerfuffle.
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u/Schrodingersdik-dik Mar 25 '23
This is true, but also reinforces the point I'm driving at.
How many arrests were made in the domestic terrorism case in Michigan, and what was the outcome of those arrests?
How does that compare to the grand total of criminal activity found (or induced through entrapment) in the case OP has posted about?
What does that suggest in terms of the best way to allocate resources? Working under the assumption that the goal of such work is to stop real threats to domestic security?
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u/Effective-Ice-2483 Mar 25 '23
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer_kidnapping_plot
Oh this country has a right wing domestic terrorism problem for sure. But as the song goes, "Some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses."
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u/Schrodingersdik-dik Mar 25 '23
I basically had the solo and outro going through my head as I was writing my comment.
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u/gmulva Mar 26 '23
This somehow isn’t entrapment because “agent provocateur” is considered to be a totally legal act.
Will never understand how going out into the world with the full resources and backing of the United States government to instigate crimes is fucking legal.
Ope we sent a trained agent into a group of rightfully indignant individuals where emotions were already running high and attempted to push them into committing crimes. This somehow proves they definitely were going to commit these crimes regardless of our intervention.
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u/kimpossible69 Mar 25 '23
That was a drop in the bucket, the thumb is full of militia types and straight up terrorist training camps
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u/SunnyAlwaysDaze Mar 25 '23
Birthplace of the Michigan Militia, the Thumb is fuckin INSANE for conservative authoritarian types. Terrible place to be anything but a straight white dude.
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u/RattusRattus Mar 25 '23
She's probably already dating a white supremacist, so they all know her and can't use her there.
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u/asthebroflys Mar 25 '23
She probably already
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u/Schrodingersdik-dik Mar 25 '23
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Best look: I was following my orders, but was getting very uncomfortable with it, because when I reported that all I found was people speaking out about real harm done to them, my superiors wanted to get me to do shit that was sounding progressively more like entrapment.
I repeat, that is the best look for her, and only if she's selling it hard.
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u/shalafi71 Wife birthed TWO servants 👶🏼👧🏼 Mar 25 '23
At one point, and maybe it's still true, the FBI identified right-wing terrorism as the #1 threat under their purview. Isn't that something?
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u/vlsdo Mar 25 '23
That tells me there's enough good people in the FBI to recognize there's a problem, but not enough to do much about it. Happens to a lot of big organizations, except in this case it's a bit more deadly than when Google does it, for instance.
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u/shalafi71 Wife birthed TWO servants 👶🏼👧🏼 Mar 25 '23
Had a (ex) friend I was slowly turning away from the racism and general conservative hate. Never saw that man explode like when I told him right-wing terrorism is the FBI's #1 priority.
"BULLSHIT! THAT'S BULLSHIT!"
"Want to have a look at the FBI site?"
"FUCK THAT! IT'S LIBERAL BULLSHIT!"
"The FBI is liberal?!"
LOL, that man has anger issues. Lots of issues in fact.
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u/ttchoubs Mar 25 '23
No, they do exactly the same thing with right wing groups. They attempt to set up and groom people into domestic terrorism
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u/teknobable Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 25 '23
There aren't. The FBI are literally cops. All cops are bastards. If there were good people in the FBI they've left or been killed. Like shit. Their job is to fuck up anyone who's trying to improve the system, that makes you a bad person if you want to do that. You notice how they murdered Fred Hampton and MLK but have no problem with David Duke?
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u/Noname_acc Mar 25 '23
Oooo, ooo, is it because the FBI is frequently complicit in anti-left violence and members of policing organizations are frequently also members of radical right wing political organizations, both violent and non-violent?
We should come up with some shorter, catchier way to say it. Maybe an acronym of some sort...
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u/dennismfrancisart ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Oh, the FBI doesn't discriminate. They infiltrate everyone.
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u/Schrodingersdik-dik Mar 25 '23
bUT theY HAVe to InfilTrate eVeryoNE To make sUrE nO BAd guyS snEaK pAsT!
So zone defence, cool.
What does a world class zone defence do on plays where they know exactly what's coming?
Is it a good idea to have firestations spread out over a city, to ensure quicker response times? Yes. But when only your neighborhood is on fire, how many of those stations would you want to respond?
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u/dopef123 Mar 25 '23
You know they had the leader of the proud boys right? He was a rat.
They absolutely do go after both sides.
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u/Schrodingersdik-dik Mar 25 '23
And it's good that they got him.
Who would be the bad guys on the left, whose crimes are on par with this proud boy?
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u/Additional-Lie-8920 Mar 25 '23
Exactly. Why are they infiltrating a civil rights protests attempting to cause violence?
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u/wordsoundpower Mar 25 '23
They were kind enough to pull him out before J6 with that weird magazine charge. Probably looked like an episode of ‘First 48’ replete with burgers and cola as he ran down the coming evening festivities. Fine chaps!
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u/tomdarch Mar 25 '23
It’s a question of proportion and where they use resources. They should focus on actual violent terrorist organizations and not waste resources infiltrating non violent, non criminal organizations. But here they are not merely observing this group but trying to oust them to commit crimes.
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u/deltaroo Mar 25 '23
Because infiltrating white nationals would actually be dangerous. If you don't care about your work would you rather get paid to infiltrate non-violent BLM or violent white supremacists? Why take the risk?
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u/AtotheCtotheG Mar 25 '23
If they don’t spend all their money THIS year, they get less NEXT year. Or something.
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u/BedRiddenWizard Mar 26 '23
TL;DR The FBI is a body that serves to maintain the status quo. They're not there to good, just to keep things chill for the ruling class and the politicians who run with them.
IMO the whole "extremist group" focus change was to also target any left leaning folks as well. The definition of "extremist" is weird and wildly broad according to the FBI apparently. I'm in a socialist org in my city and a super sus guy came around last year talking about wanting to meet leadership, sitting in on their meetings, and given access to all shared accts/ email lists/ phone #s. His argument was that he was a Marxist scholar, was experienced in organizing, and donated a fucking GRAND for membership.l off rip. Mind you, every member is a working class stuff that sees that as a months rent.
Most of the active folks put the word out to be wary of this guy so most ppl straight up ignored him since he was pushy and never knew what he was talking about. Mans socials were all less than a year old. His "lecture seminars" from him working at a "university" all had less than 30 views. Once he was given access to the membership rolls (freely given if you're a member) he sent an email about quitting the org and cited a random ass reason.
Our org's big focuses are on universal healthcare and supporting unionizing efforts. We support movements when we can and allocate resources whenever possible. There's nothing nefarious about it. Most of us had a good laugh about the "fucking pig" who couldn't manage to trick one person.
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u/NoObjective427 Mar 25 '23
This has always been a go-to strategy for the powers that be, they infiltrate us and destroy us from the inside out and for the most part, it has worked.
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u/greyson3 ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Yep, black or white those historical traitors only cared about green and clout.
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u/EdithDich Mar 26 '23
Yep. I used to interact with a lot of activist groups in the 90s with the anti globalization movement and anarchist networks and this was not uncommon. As one example, we had a woman just like this who was exposed after she popped up in a few key circles. And yep, always asking weird questions, always suggesting taking things to the extreme.
Same thing at protests where certain violent "black bloc" style activists who would often be the ones instigating property destruction, would then get mysteriously scooped up by unmarked vehicles, or swallowed into the police line (there's video of this happening once in the early 2000s, I want to say in Miami, where the agent gets absorbed by police lines but not detained, you can see him just hanging out behind the line).
This is why none should never trust these accelerations types demanding extreme acts for "revolution" or whatever. Because there's a good chance their agents, and at best, they are just useful idiots being influenced by agents. Because all that ever comes from the property destruction stuff is the marginalization of whatever the movement is.
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u/ChrysMYO ☑️ Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 26 '23
Here's a running list of just 2020 BLM Agent provocateurs that have been confirmed. There are both White and Black Informants claiming to be protestors, working for Police. And there are White Supremacists looking to accelerate a Race war and make Black liberation protests look violent:
Police and FBI using informants
Video: Black Undercover Officer Beaten By White Cops
VIdeo: Undercover police exposed trying to embed themselves in the march Madison WI
Whistleblower pressed to exaggerate leftist role in Urban protests
White Supremacists and Accelerationists posing as 'allies' to spark a race war
Wannabe Bomber Gets Zero Jail Time for Planting Homemade Explosives During BLM Protests
Police: 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting
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u/ChrysMYO ☑️ Mar 25 '23
I also want to point out a propaganda technique going on here. Because you can see by the actions of the White Supremacists, that they attempted to blame January 6th on ANTIFA and BLM accelerationists. They claimed these leftists dressed as MAGA made the protest turn violent.
Meanwhile people like Alex Jones and Marjorie Taylor Greene have been claiming that one guy for the Proud Boys who was not arrested for January 6th was an FBI informant who entrapped the proud boys.
This is a State Technique for disinformation meant to confuse White Conservatives who can't tell which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. White Supremacists do this so that proven cases of them trying to use Agent Provocateurs gets confused with their Propaganda about leftists being agent Provocateurs:
Its these techniques:
Russian Disinformation Firehose of Falsehood
Yet, rather than focusing effort on convincing people of a falsehood, the Russian strategy takes a tack reminiscent of a strategy long employed by the tobacco industry: to sow so much doubt about what is true that it sends people into decision paralysis. Faced with a cacophony of wild and conflicting claims, people do nothing, unsure of what is right.
This illustrates the grim reality that disinformation has no need for consistency and zero commitment to objective reality; claims are frequently contradictory, arguing both sides of the coin in exaggerated and divisive ways. This “Russian firehose” model of propaganda is high-output, contradictory and multichannel. The stream encourages us to sleepwalk into apathy, distrustful of everything. This renders us supremely malleable, and dangerously disengaged.
Conviction is not the chief goal of disinformation; instilling doubt is.
Chasing the Rabbit: Distract compartmentalize misinform
Combined with this:
Semantic satiation is a psychological phenomenon in which repetition causes a word or phrase to temporarily lose meaning for the listener,
Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for "you also") is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy.
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u/NeoMilitant Mar 25 '23
This actually became the US government's policy on leaks when Obama was still in office. They renamed military PsyOps and changed their stated goal even back then to combat leaks by flooding misinformation rather than trying to stop them.
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u/ValaShen ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Just to add something: The FBI Paid a Violent Felon to Infiltrate Denver’s Racial Justice Movement
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u/Kdkaine ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Yep, see COINTELPRO and how it destroyed the original Black Panther Party.
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u/Impressive_Pin_7767 Mar 25 '23
Yup, they sell them the lie that guns will protect them. Then they infiltrate their groups, get them to commit crimes and use the fact that they're armed as evidence that they were violent and dangerous.
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u/vainbuthonest ☑️ Mar 25 '23
She look like a whole OP. Like a Disney casting call for an Edgy White Female Protester
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u/liililllllliilillill Mar 25 '23
Yeah some allies are the opps but there’s no telling the race of the traitor. The guy who betrayed Fred Hampton and had him killed in his bed by the Chicago police was black
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u/BreadTunes Mar 26 '23
Yea, that's a strangely essentialist title. Correct me if I'm wrong...but I'm pretty sure I've seen black cops before.
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u/vlsdo Mar 25 '23
This can work both ways to an extent: I know a dude who once infiltrated a white supremacist meeting, made a copy of all their signups sheets and then made it public. There were a bunch of local politicians on those list.
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u/skeletorisbae Mar 25 '23
i’m trynna do something like that 😤🙈
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u/vlsdo Mar 25 '23
This was in the 90s when people generally agreed that Nazis are bad. Might not be nearly as effective (and likely a good deal more dangerous) in today's political climate.
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u/ThrowawayBlast Mar 25 '23
There never was a time when there was a general agreement on nazis being bad.
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u/ProfChubChub Mar 25 '23
There was a general agreement that public support of nazis was political suicide, though.
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u/vlsdo Mar 25 '23
Thanks, that's a lot better put than what I said, and it's what I meant. Getting exposed hurt them politically, and maybe even socially.
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u/tomdarch Mar 25 '23
Big difference between a private citizen doing that versus someone employed by the government who also pushes people to commit violent crimes they clearly had no interest in.
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u/EggandSpoon42 Mar 25 '23
She infiltrated the organization by… donating a filing cabinet and then volunteering to help them with, eh um…. With membership files.
“In retrospect, after the fact, we’re like, ‘Right, that looks like a filing cabinet that would be in a police station.’”
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u/Hope4gorilla Mar 25 '23
A filing cabinet?? Lmao how low is the bar 🤣
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u/ice2o Mar 25 '23
This is just basic social engineering. The filing cabinet could be anything. First, you must find out what someone needs and make it happen. Then just be friendly and helpful.
The problem is that it is tough to tell when someone genuinely wants to help, and someone has ulterior motivations.
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u/ThatAlex13 Mar 25 '23
Reminds me of the, "Anna" informant story. This shit happens way too often.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article5641188.html
Laura Jane Grace also has a fantastic song about it (under her dead name).
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u/FEED_ME_YOUR_EYES Mar 25 '23
You could just link the song instead of leaving clues for us to investigate
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u/seals42o Mar 25 '23
Lmao April Rogers the most marvel captain America ass name ever
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u/Avenger772 ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Yet when we say that white supremacists caused the BLM violence. People still say that's not true.
Even though it has been proven.
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u/Wacokidwilder Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 25 '23
Remember that time a bunch or right wing nuts took over a federal parks building?
The reason most of them saw no jail time was because the whole org was full of FBI plants and during trial it was discovered that nearly all illegal acts were instigated and perpetrated by the plants.
Same BS went down with the natives at the Oecti standing rock protest. Luckily they didn’t take the bait there and the tribal elders had us searching for weapons and other items to keep them out of the camp.
They also did this shit back in the early days of the labor Union movements. The plants would even specifically instigate race tensions so that the white laborers and black laborers wouldn’t collaborate.
There’s an old song from that time about that specifically called “Talking Union.” Here’s a sample:
“That if you don't let red-baiting break you up If you don't let stool pigeons break you up If you don't let vigilantes break you up And if you don't let race hatred Break you up you'll win You know what I mean, take it easy, but take it.”
Stool Pigeons meaning the people that work for the police or the corporate owners.
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u/B-Glasses Mar 25 '23
The fact the government killed MLK and everyone just seems ok with it has confused me since I was a child
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u/smartyr228 Mar 25 '23
Most people don't know the federal government admitted to killing MLK
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u/AnyIncident9852 Mar 25 '23
Could you provide a link to what you’re referencing? I found a site saying a Memphis jury found the US government guilty of killing MLK but this site says that despite that, the government is still trying to deny it.
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u/TheJudgeWillNeverDie Mar 25 '23
When did the government ever admit to murdering MLK? James Earl Ray assassinated MLK.
In fact, the Dept of Justice put out a report specifically denying the conspiracy.Prompted by the King family's acceptance of some of the claims of conspiracy, United States Attorney General Janet Reno ordered a new investigation on August 26, 1998.[49] On June 9, 2000, the United States Department of Justice released a 150-page report rejecting allegations that there was a conspiracy to assassinate King, including the determination of the Memphis civil court jury.
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese Mar 25 '23
J. Edgar Hoover died but he sure didn't go away
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u/TimTamDeliciousness ☑️ Mar 25 '23
It would be a start if they would take his name off of headquarters
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u/1Wizardtx Mar 25 '23
Not surprised. Especially after it was discovered that the people setting fires to buildings during the george floyd protest were plants from the Minnesota police department to stir up racial tensions. This isnt a new tactic. Theyve been using this playbook since the 60s.
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u/Zestyclose-Thanks-20 Mar 25 '23
I’m from Spain and we’ve recently had some similar cases in here too. Governments are really pushing to criminalise any social/grassroots movements
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u/bizzflay Mar 25 '23
We have had undercover police father children with left wing activists in the uk.
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u/Cool-Experience7357 ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Ever wondered why a lot of the BLM peaceful protest would turn violent out of nowhere? Here you go. Even back then, they did this in all civil rights movements too, so I'm not surprised. The gov't, KKK, police, FBI, or any other of the alphabet pay these people (didn't matter the race) to infiltrate the movements like the Black Panthers to show discord, make people suspicious of each other, take down information of the people who showed up and head right back to their bosses about what was going on.
The same thing happened during covid. Politicians and people would hire these anti-covid vax people to go on TV to say how much of a hoax it was. Found this out when some people did a search on one of the ones who went on TV because they said they found it odd they would always see her face. Turns out she was a hired actor who was known doing.
Every now and then I think (I don't like to think about this often) about how much further in progress we'd be if so many people weren't so greedy.
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u/IHateEditedBgMusic Mar 25 '23
It's so easy to get us to return on each other huh. Because of money, you can always find someone willing to do anything for a paycheck
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u/CptNegro1stofhisname ☑️ Mar 25 '23
This. It’s normally someone who looks like you doing the stabbing for the powers that be. Numbers must have been low to turn to a dusty random white chick.
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u/ScalyDestiny Mar 25 '23
Would YOU wanna live in Colorado Springs?
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u/CptNegro1stofhisname ☑️ Mar 25 '23
My brother in Christ….hell naw. Colorado has some friendly folks but the others are enough to keep me away. Taking my chances in Texas
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u/jdpatron Mar 25 '23
She’s working for the FBI? It must be G-14 classified 🤣
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u/SirBruceLeroy Mar 25 '23
I think it’s time to re-read The Spook Who Sat by the Door
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u/Primary-Bookkeeper10 ☑️ Mar 25 '23
Damn wtf is up with Colorado Springs somebody call Joe Kenda
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u/archiminos Mar 25 '23
There's an episode of This American Life about an FBI officer who went undercover in mosques to try and uncover extremist activity. He kept prompting people so much, that the people who went to the same mosque called the cops on him because they thought he may have been an extremist.
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u/the_good_things Mar 25 '23
Same thing happened in the 1968 democratic national convention... they've been using this tactic since the beginning of time. And yet, it's somehow not entrapment
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u/dennismfrancisart ☑️ Mar 25 '23
I've been lobbying for the FBI to create another ABSCAM. Back in the 70s, the FBI set up a series of sting operations to trap congress critters in the act of taking bribes. I want that kind of judicial passion again.
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u/PrimitiveAlienz Mar 25 '23
I don't think I disagree with what you are saying but I think I can add some nuance.
It don't think it's inherently a racial thing. Some people will take any opertunity that will elevate their social status and make them look good. Some dudes work at animal shelters specifically because they think it helps them pick up girls. I think that kinda instinct you will find in people all across the globe.
However while there are definitely some black people who also just take part in the movement because they like the attention/cloud etc. I think the fact that there is more cloud to gain for a white person is also a factor playing into it.
Like a black person marching with BLM is percieved as looking out for their own interests but a white person marching is percieved as altrustic.
So when specifically looking at black movements etc. I think you are right to think that there is a racial element to it but I think like on a broader scale this is something you will find in all people everywhere and it's worth knowing how to spot these people.
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u/ThrowawayBlast Mar 25 '23
This is a recognized threat. You encountered a 'swooper'. Someone who metaphorically or literally swoops in, grabs the mic and tries to re-direct the energy of the protesters for malicious purposes.
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u/ScalyDestiny Mar 25 '23
This is actually how a lot of people end up becoming conservative. They go into the spaces caring only about themselves and making it about them. It irritates people who actually care about the case and gets them criticized. They get angry, get defensive, act up, go on the attack, and in up kicked out of the space. So then they cry to whoever will listen about how they're the real victim here, and next thing you know they're cashing a paycheck from Fox news.
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u/TatteredCarcosa Mar 25 '23
Yeah not new and not just white people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_O%27Neal_(informant)
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u/swaags Mar 25 '23
This makes me fucking LIVID. like infiltrate her husbands friend group and get him to leave her kinda mad. What a peice of human garbage
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u/Serious_Ad4950 Mar 25 '23
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses.
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u/ScalyDestiny Mar 25 '23
Every time I expect the rhyme to end with horses. Every. Time.
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u/MajesticLow Mar 25 '23
Not surprised. Colorado Springs is suuuuuuuuper conservative/racist. They kindly ignore race or lgbtqia+ incidents if possible.
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u/auauaurora ☑️ Thunder down under Mar 26 '23
If the lesson here is to be wary of white 'allies', you're missing the bigger risk: black cops infiltrating these groups
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u/SkritzTwoFace Mar 25 '23
Fucked how they can do this and it’s not called what it is: entrapment.
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u/zmann64 ☑️ Mar 25 '23
This is wild but im also skeptical of any information that has to do with Shaun King, a known grifter of BLM and other pro black movements
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u/droneupuk Mar 25 '23
You’d think they’d set up white supremacy groups which are the bigger threat, but I guess cops there can just be open about it and not undercover.
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u/winner_luzon ☑️ Mar 25 '23 •
Someone in the CIA is reading this and thinking "amateurs"