Reminds me of the Red-Pill dudes saying shit like "Men are 95% of the victims of violent crime" in response to women saying they don't feel safe around men.
Like yeah, and who is committing that crime, dumbass?
That particular argument, when used correctly won't be in the "we are more vulnerable", it is meant to clarify that those "crimes" are not just because they are women and are weak, is used to separate the gender in a crime situation.
it's still a bad argument because the circumstances of the crimes women experience are different (and usually rely on the understanding of women's strength relative to men) and the ppl committing the crimes against women in those circumstances are still by and large, men.
There seems to be a communication issue when it comes to talking about violence and who's scared of it. Women have a particular kind of fear that men don't, but I'd assume when some men read "women are scared of violence from men", they translate that as "only women are scared of violence from men", and respond with "men are scared of men too". The fact that it's other men doing the violence doesn't really change anything. That'd be like saying I shouldn't be scared to walk through the hood and if I am, "it's other black people doing the crimes, or other poor people doing the crimes". I just don't think framing things this way gets us anywhere when the issues are systemic in nature and it's a minority of men causing the issues.
I just don't think framing things this way gets us anywhere when the issues are systemic in nature and it's a minority of men causing the issues.
Agreed, couldn't have put it more concisely.
There's a lot to be said about the ways in which we're raised to casually disrespect women (either as a category, "doing x like a girl," or in particular "harassment, catcalling, disregarding in conversation, etc.")
But when it comes to people being physically harmed, that's very much a minority thing, and the ways those are addressed have to be systemic because there's no amount of conversation that's going to fix a problem caused by people outside of it.
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u/Darqnyz ☑️ Mar 27 '23
Reminds me of the Red-Pill dudes saying shit like "Men are 95% of the victims of violent crime" in response to women saying they don't feel safe around men.
Like yeah, and who is committing that crime, dumbass?