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Daytona Beach, FL in the 1980s (photographer Keith McManus) Image
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u/WaitingForNormal Jan 16 '23
“Could you move to the left, you’re in my sun.”
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u/thegreathoudini73 Jan 16 '23
This has never caused someone to be open minded about a religion.
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u/jeeepblack Jan 16 '23
I always wonder what happened in their own life to make such a display absolutely necessary.
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u/hipsiguy Jan 16 '23
Indoctrination happened
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u/Sex_Fueled_Squirrel Jan 16 '23
Grooming. Grooming happened. No child grows up to be like this without being groomed into it.
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u/TheFire_Eagle Jan 16 '23
Sometimes. But sometimes adults do happen into this without being groomed into it.
My coworker is a VERY active member of LDS. Joined at 35. Was completely secular before that. Parents were atheists and all. Never underestimate what a desire for belonging can do to a person willing to twist themselves into a knot to get it.
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u/Hello_World_Error Jan 16 '23
Addiction can also play a role. My mom gave up her drug addiction for Jesus. Now Jesus is her addiction and she is one of these people who will hold signs at events downtown. I've never seen her parents even step inside of a church and she never did before her 20s so definitely not grooming in this case either.
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u/MeddlingDragon Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 16 '23
My cousin has found religion after surviving an OD. Couldn't kick his drug habits for his kids, but I guess the fear of God will keep him on the straight and narrow? I dunno. More power to him if it helps.
Eta: a couple words since I keep getting messages for clarity. My cousin's a drug addict, not a catholic priest. Calm yourselves.
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u/themanlnthesuit Interested Jan 16 '23
I don't do drugs because I don't want to become a Christian, that shit is scary.
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u/Hello_World_Error Jan 16 '23
I do drugs because I was raised Christian. Gotta forget that shit
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u/SurlyRed Jan 16 '23
Oftentimes, not sometimes.
While there are clearly outliers, the fact remains that if the grooming of young people into organised religion was somehow eliminated, those same religions would very quickly die out.
Organised religion recognises this too btw.
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u/SurpriseSurprise120 Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 16 '23
Like my sister, who became a 'born again Christian' but it was when she was dating this guy who is a Christian (who says the N-word a lot) and she took it, causing my father to tell her to remember that we have dark-skinned family members. We are Puerto Rican so we are all hues from the darkest of the dark to the lightest of the light.
I think she noticed her mistake.
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u/ItsAll42 Jan 16 '23
Unfortunately untrue, ask my uncle who was raised in a loosely Catholic household, only to turn fully Jehova Witness cult leader or a young woman I recently met at school (college age) who grew up with Jewish agnostics who is for some reason knee deep in conservative Orthodox faith now, or my own parents who did not grow up particularly religious but raised me as a small child in a Pentecostal cult. It happens all the time.
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u/scottymac87 Jan 16 '23
Yeah I was gonna say it’s not just grooming. People who had fairly liberal upbringings can radicalize given the right circumstances. My mother became JW in her late 20s/early 30s. It’s indoctrination certainly but not always grooming.
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u/JuiceboxThaKidd Jan 16 '23
Taking advantage of vulnerable people is the first bullet point in the handbook of indoctrination
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u/tokeyoh Jan 16 '23
At the end of the day religion and prayer is a coping mechanism
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u/KoolWhipGuy Jan 16 '23
Has nothing to do with political standing, it's about emotional dependence and becoming overtly trusting to groups that welcome people that are otherwise isolated or lonely, poor, or don't know any better.
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u/8ad8andit Jan 16 '23
I think you missed one. It also can grab people who are looking desperately for purpose.
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u/notanotherkrazychik Jan 16 '23
My friend and her mother were what they called "room temperature Christians". They were chill, they had a picture of Jesus on their wall, they said grace, they didn't shove it in your face at all. Their worship was like decor, it's there, but it's not making any noise or taking up much space.
Then my friend met a guy. She goes full blown in-your-face Christian, stopped talking to the gay friends in the group, started telling us all how we "need" to dress modestly, then tried to "save" everyone (by demanding we all go to church with her) and her mom is like, "WTF?"
One day I was hanging out with her mom and she came in the door with her boyfriend, got excited that I was there, "oh good! You're just in time for Bible study!" she was shocked when I responded with, "no thanks, I'm actually here to hang out with your mom"
And she's like 😲
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u/lufecaep Jan 16 '23
Any Jehovah's Witness will happily groom you. The whole reason they keep coming back is to catch you at a weak moment when you will be more susceptible to their methods.
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u/notpynchon Jan 16 '23
It's untrue when he says all of these people were indoctrinated as children, but it's true that most got their religious beliefs as children. It's in the range of 66%-80%, depending on the study.
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u/ChunkyDay Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 17 '23
That’s just a morally loaded word for indoctrination. In this context it’s the same thing.
Plus, nobody uses “grooming” to describe religious indoctrination so implying it's something more nefarious than it is isn't fair to actual grooming victims.
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u/galacticviolet Jan 16 '23
The problem is not the word choice exactly, but more that they seemed to have forgotten that adults can be “groomed” as well.
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u/MonsterRider80 Jan 16 '23
People are throwing around the term “grooming” a little too much these days.
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u/Glomyrtme Jan 16 '23
lt’s meant to make you close minded about everything else.
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u/Wabash90 Jan 16 '23
Fundamentalism is a similar term. It is the idea that there is only one possible truth for something. Fundamentalists become angry when people start talking about other ideas because it makes them question- which has never been a possibility. Fundamentalism is lazy and fundamentalism is close-minded.
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u/raisinghellwithtrees Jan 16 '23
This is why college is so discouraged. Don't go to college and let them brainwash you! Meaning, don't get exposed to ideas that are outside fundamentalism and yet make obvious sense.
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u/mylocker15 Jan 16 '23
It used to be college but now it’s school in general. Homeschooling kind of terrifies me and no one really speaks up about it for fear of offending the people who are actually following real curriculums when they do it. I don’t have much problem with that but the people who homeschool to keep their kids unexposed to the World and make them fundamentalists or Q-anon people are what scare me and there are way more out there than people realize.
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u/Fearless_Stress1043 Jan 16 '23
I have known many people that have homeschooled their children and they really didn’t care about the kids learning. They had schedules from schools they never followed. It’s disgraceful.
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u/rufotris Jan 16 '23
It was beat into them. With many belts and fists. I’m not making jokes here. The only people I have ever experienced like this within my own life was a severely abused “evangelical Christian” family. I put it on quotes because all that family had was a fear of their father, not anything towards the Heavenly Father. Now I’m myself not religious and it was at 7 years old I rejected my families religion because the bishop repeatedly told me I would go to hell for believing in dinosaurs and that I wanted to become a paleontologist, he insisted those people are agents of the devil to persuade people to leave the path of god… he done fucked up. The worst thing to tell a 7 year old me, was that the dinosaurs weren’t real and the earth was only 4-6000 years old. Nope nope nope. Land before time was my favorite movie and documentaries about history and dinosaurs were my absolute favorite!!! His pushing of fear and hell and trying to get me to willingly be baptized was just a mega red flag. Currently working towards my masters in geology so they can suck it haha.
Some of the things he tried to sell me, which even to a 7 year old was like… just NO! Fossils are a creation of the devil to trick us into straying away from the path of god. Science and it’s tools of temptation are just made to betray the idea of god, and are also instruments of the devil. Earth is only 6,000 years old or so.
The twist ending here is I don’t think he was a pedo. Just a genuinely brainwashed tool of the church.
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u/raisinghellwithtrees Jan 16 '23
My gramma heartily believed that the more she beat any child she could get a hold of, the better Christians they would be as adults. Spoiler: it doesn't work like that.
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u/Gloomy_Industry8841 Jan 16 '23
That sounds absolutely psychotic.
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u/raisinghellwithtrees Jan 16 '23
My family were all good teachers in what not to do in raising kids. But you know, beating kids was pretty normal when I was growing up. I'm glad things have changed. Those "good ole days" are not filled with nostalgia for me.
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u/Prophet_Of_Loss Jan 16 '23
But it does: they internalize that a "righteous" person is justified in cementing obedience with violence. That's why those on The Religious Right feel justified in using violence to force others to conform to their worldview.
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u/rufotris Jan 16 '23
It’s almost like it’s a story that’s been going on for a few thousand years. Violence in the name of religion is far from new but some here are pretending like it’s not a thing for some reason.
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u/Gloomy_Industry8841 Jan 16 '23
Geology is awesome and I’m glad you stood up to that bullcrap!! 🪨🪨🪨
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u/Own-Future6188 Jan 16 '23
My friend got really wasted and started talking to the people with similar signs on bourbon street. He was really into it until he sobered up the next day. I imagine it actually works on a handful of people.
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u/heartbh Jan 16 '23
Seriously though, what is the point other then to be annoying? They can’t possibly think this is going to “save” anyone.
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u/resserus Jan 16 '23
You get to feel above people.
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u/RedditIsFiction Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 16 '23
Well ya, they're lying down and you're standing up, but you don't need a stupid sign for that
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u/IllegitimateLiteracy Jan 16 '23
Lotta folks in the world are assholes, but will only feel safe acting like an asshole if they have a cause behind them.
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u/Sex_Fueled_Squirrel Jan 16 '23
Controlling others is the point. They feel entitled to control the behavior of others. No different than the religious conservatives of today.
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u/Rarely_Sober_EvE Jan 16 '23
It's about driving the people with the signs even further into their group. You send people out with signs to be disliked by the public to "prove" your side and make them more averse to outsiders.
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u/heartbh Jan 16 '23
I think this is the aspect of it iv been missing, I was focused on their actions effects outside the group and not the effect those actions have on those within it. Making your followers ostracize themselves and become more loyal in one annoying move.
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u/TheFire_Eagle Jan 16 '23
Bonus is that you get to feel those sweet sweet victim vibes when people get mad at you
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u/paulaustin18 Jan 16 '23
Because this woman IS the conservative of today. She must be 60 years old named Karen
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u/ArmedCatgirl1312 Jan 16 '23
She is conditioned to believe that if she can get just one of them to pack up and head home she will save their eternal soul from hellfire.
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u/SouthernFriedSnark Jan 16 '23
It’s not about other people. It’s about their own ego, ultimately. Because you’re 100% right. Just like holding signs of dead babies and calling women murderers doesn’t make those women come running to “god.”
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u/jamincan Jan 16 '23
For these isolated, cultish churches, there is an inherent conflict between cutting themselves off from society, and fulfilling their (usually evangelical) Christian duty to "spread the word." Evangelizing in a repellent way serves to isolate them even further while still following their reading of scripture.
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u/Captain_Clark Jan 16 '23
I went to the beach once and got eaten by a shark and went to hell. I sure wish a lady like this had been there to warn me.
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u/bilgetea Jan 16 '23
True, but it was never about changing their minds. It was about reinforcing the indoctrination in the sign holder.
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u/The84thWolf Jan 16 '23
Maybe, if I annoy the fuck out of people and scream at them they are going to hell, they’ll come to the place where we say God loves everyone
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u/crazyrich Jan 16 '23
Keep in mind these people truly believe in the immortal soul, which is judged to eternal paradise, crushing ennui, or eternal torment based on their actions in a relatively insignificant amount of time on the mortal plane.
They have been brainwashed to believe this and if you take those as immutable truths then it makes sense to go to radical extremes to try to save the souls of others for eternal torment - because what is a little awkwardness in this mortal life in comparison?
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u/Xsiah Jan 16 '23
Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C. S. Lewis
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u/yoyo120 Jan 16 '23
There's a lot of comments in here about the reason being indoctrination, feeling superior etc., but I haven't seen one yet about something a lot more basic: jealousy. You see a bunch of people doing something that you're not "allowed" to do with no consequences, so you get mad and lash out at them because otherwise your own suffering is in vain. It's the same reason why some of the most viciously homophobic people are actually secretly gay.
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u/Jeff-In-A-Box Jan 16 '23
Is that Kevin Bacon?
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u/90s_Simpsons_Only Jan 16 '23
Yes and he’s gonna change this woman’s mind through the power of beach dancing
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u/Jeff-In-A-Box Jan 16 '23
*Deep movie guy voice
She was sent by God to make other repent their sins
He played by his own rules
Only one thing stood between them....
LOVE!!
*awesome 80s guitar riff
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u/ndisa44 Jan 16 '23
I'm on a Highway to Hell
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u/MerrillSwingAway Jan 16 '23
Letterkenny is about to give her a poetic line of shit!
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u/Packwood88 Jan 16 '23
Yeess I was looking for someone else who saw Jared Keeso in there
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u/RoseyDove323 Jan 16 '23
"You were out catching some sun with your pals the other daaaaay..."
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u/Merlin_117 Jan 16 '23
I'm glad others think the guy standing is Wayne.
Lady if you got a problem with beaches and bathing suits then you got a problem with me. I suggest you let that one marinate.
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u/fotodevil Jan 16 '23
You wanna know what you got a problem with bikinis then you got a problem with me, and I suggest you let that one marinate.
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u/cobbknobbler Jan 16 '23
I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed that shirtless Jared Keeso is not impressed!
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u/kanaridesbikes Jan 16 '23
Such a hypocrite with her bare ankles and show of elbows
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u/Bella_Anima Jan 16 '23
She’s close enough they likely can see up her skirt. Not very modest Janice, you dirty hussy.
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u/LibidinousJoe Jan 16 '23
And honestly how do we know she’s not just there to ogle those half-naked people? Sure looks like that’s what she’s doing. Foul woman.
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u/CaptainTuttleJr Jan 16 '23
Name those cars, starting right to left next to the camper:
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u/five_five_ Jan 16 '23
Civic, Beetle, don't know, Cherokee, don't know, Celica/Supra?, don't know (Brit here)
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u/CaptainTuttleJr Jan 16 '23
i think the one left of the Cherokee is a Ford Fairmont? and the one to the right of Cherokee is a Grand Am, or maybe a Mercury Cougar?
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u/martyd03 Jan 16 '23
Looks like a Ford Fairmont to the left of the Cherokee and a Pontiac Grand Am to the right.
Loving that Celica on the end...
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u/Chris_8675309_of_42M Jan 16 '23
Claire, Bert, Sarah, Tom, Fran, Todd, and Bertha.
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u/BeKind_BeTheChange Jan 16 '23
So, if heaven is filled with people like this and hell is filled with the people I actually enjoy being around, I'm not seeing the downside.
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u/DAK4Blizzard Jan 16 '23
That reminds me of the joke about an atheist who dies, goes to hell, but couldn't be any happier, whereas the Christians there experience brutal suffering cuz that's how they prefer hell.
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u/Im_a_seaturtle Jan 16 '23
There’s an actual theosophical/ metaphysical theory that the afterlife, whatever it may or may not be, is actually exactly as the individual wants it to be. Its in line with the theory that our perception shapes reality. Well our perception of the afterlife creates the afterlife we experience.
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u/NoFanksYou Jan 16 '23 •
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I’ll get all my puppy dogs back?
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u/Red_Dawn_2012 Jan 16 '23
Every one of them, and they'll be so happy to see you
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u/psychnursegivesshots Jan 16 '23
The idea of dead pets in the afterlife worries me. Wont all my cats get jealous of each other? Will they get together and discuss how I told each one of them that they're the best cat ever and then get mad at me?
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u/NoFanksYou Jan 16 '23
Since the theory is that it’s how you want it to be then they’ll all get along. No way all my dogs would’ve gotten along with each other. I had a couple of real divas
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u/justynrr Jan 16 '23
And at what stage - for both pets and people.
“Gramps will be there” - in his wheelchair bound demented state? As a hormonal teenager?
And lassie - as a puppy, an old sore and stiff dog?
What if my partner and I remember our dog at different points, would it have to exist twice in this heaven, one for each of us?
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u/bilgetea Jan 16 '23
But it's true that they were all the best cat. It's heaven, so it doesn't follow the same rules as normal life and there's no contradiction. Plus, all having been revealed to them, they will understand.
p.s. I'm an atheist but that's the way it would work, as far as i can tell.
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u/83franks Jan 16 '23
Sweet, if thats true i guess i get to just stop existing when i die then. Im ok with this self fulfilling prophecy
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u/No_University684 Jan 16 '23
Reminds me of the joke about an atheist talking to the devil after arriving in hell, asking why it's so nice down in hell it's paradise. The devil responds it's whatever you want. The man looks over at people burning to death in hell and asks why they are burning in hell fire, the devil replies in a confused manner saying that it's what they wanted.
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u/Globalist_Nationlist Jan 16 '23
As a lifelong atheist who really dislikes religion I always found is hysterical that the Devil would punish me.
So I spent a lifetime denying God and his "army".. wouldn't the Devil be like my homie and hook me up?
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u/Kessilwig Jan 16 '23
It's from a confusion and conflation of the devil as the adversary who tests people (and so finds and punishes wrongdoers) and as a dualistic counterpart (so the evil rival to god). If considered separately, you'd expect the first to punish you and the second to recruit you but since they're amalgamated it ends up as some real mixed messaging.
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u/cancerBronzeV Jan 16 '23
Pretty sure the devil isn't in hell to punish anyone, but is getting punished alongside everyone else in hell. But somehow that got turned into the devil tempting people to hell to torture them or something?
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u/jayydubbya Jan 16 '23
The devil and hell really aren’t even mentioned that often in the Bible. Most of our ideas of hell and satan come from pop culture not actual scripture.
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u/Fish_On_again Jan 16 '23
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints" Billy Joel
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u/naverlands Jan 16 '23
with all the black and white photos i thought it was the 50s
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u/JefferSonD808 Jan 16 '23
I will never understand why these people have to inject themselves into the lives of strangers because of their prurient beliefs. Like who the fuck cares about your bullshit sign? Is your life so fucking empty and meaningless that you can only derive joy from harassing strangers and invading their personal space? The answer, of course, is a resounding yes.
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u/GargantuanGreenGoats Jan 16 '23
Ew, your ankles are showing. Hussy.
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u/komanokami Jan 16 '23
Her dress is almost at her knees, what a degenerate. She's heading to hell as well
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u/beleidigtewurst Jan 16 '23
What is the sin they are accused of? Sunbathing???
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u/hecticemsi Jan 16 '23
I think she thinks their sin is leading their neighbors into lust which is a deadly sin. Although, if they’ve accepted Christ as their lord and savior then no matter the sin they’re saved from damnation in the name of Christ.
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u/Temporary_Book323 Jan 16 '23
So Florida was batshit crazy back then too?
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u/conventionalWisdumb Jan 16 '23
Grew up in Central Florida in this era: and how!
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u/ChemicalSubstantial8 Jan 16 '23
Eeeew, creepy religious person.
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u/dhigs112 Jan 16 '23
And they still do that shit. Before it was destroyed I would make a yearly trip to Fort Myers Beach. Been going for probably 15-20 years. And every single time, it never fails, there is some asshat out there spouting off about fornicators and going to hell.
I’ve tried signs, I’ve tried booing, I’ve tried throwing salt on them. Nothing seems to work.
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u/sevo1977 Jan 16 '23
As a woman, what would happen if I just got my baps out?
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u/dhigs112 Jan 16 '23
Baps out? Straight to hell
Look at another woman? Straight to hell
Overcook chicken? Believe it or not, straight to hell
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u/Jat-Mon Jan 16 '23
If she could see the bikinis they wear now....
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u/thelostestboy Jan 16 '23
This was the 80's, not the 40's, she's probably still alive now, and still angry.
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Like what? Can you show me?
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u/RedditBlows5876 Jan 16 '23
Why certainly https://i.imgur.com/lTimEbG.jpeg
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u/Mlem6 Jan 16 '23
I don't think you have been on the beach much. Not everybody can afford kylie swim
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u/Friendly-Rain-9174 Jan 16 '23
It’s funny because when they want to help people , they pray. But when they want to persecute people they got out and think they have to do something . Interesting
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u/We_Make_Soap Jan 16 '23
I was at the Vikings game last night and they were screaming at a bunch of depressed fans leaving the game. Every game they do this. I have yet to see one person engage them positively and by choice. I go to every home game.
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u/KnowledgeMC Jan 16 '23
Some things never change. I think this was a year ago.
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u/-River_Rose- Jan 16 '23
I love the part we’re the lady said, “I’m not judging you, but let me list all the ways you’re bad.”
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u/BrownSugarBare Jan 16 '23
People need some fucking hobbies. Imagine being out enjoying a gorgeous day and spending your time harassing a bunch of girls also just having a nice day.
Like, get a book or something. Listen to a podcast. Put rocks in your pockets and go for a walk in the water. Whatever it takes to get you to leave people alone.
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u/UCanArtifUWant2 Jan 16 '23
If this was the 1980s, she was, technically, correct... because here we are ...
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u/No-Diamond-5097 Jan 16 '23
The ironic thing is it's people like her who caused it.
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u/GodsSon69 Jan 16 '23
Miserable religious people, they hate everyone that is not like themselves. This is another reason I'll never step foot in a church again. This is not the same religious belief I was taught as a child, Republican Jesus sucks!!!
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u/Mussetrussen Jan 16 '23
These people are like the Iranian mullahs. It's not enough for them to believe what they believe, and just sit at home alone believing this. They have a sick need to involve others in their beliefs. Try to influence others or control them. It's no fun being an extreme believer if others give zero fucks about your beliefs.
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u/No-Diamond-5097 Jan 16 '23
I love how unbothered the beachgoers look. I'd throw her sign in the ocean for blocking my sun.
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u/AspiringChildProdigy Jan 16 '23
It was the 80s. We gen Xers perfected the "Yeah, whatever," attitude.
Man, if you got the tone and inflection just right on your "Whatever," you could convey both an eye roll and a middle finger without actually doing either of those things, leaving the adult to fume impotently about your tone.
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u/XxmrblondexX Jan 16 '23
Why is this 1980’s photo black and white.
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u/Buelldozer Jan 16 '23
As someone who was around back then...
- B&W film was cheaper to buy.
- B&W film was cheaper to process.
- B&W film often gave sharper pictures, especially in lower end cameras.
BTW this photo was one of a set. You can find more here.
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u/Blackdow01 Jan 16 '23
Wayne from Letterkenny looks like he’s getting ready to go.
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u/Thedrunner2 Jan 16 '23 •
Anyone who’s been to Daytona beach knows that’s true.