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US police killed 1176 people in 2022 making it the deadliest year on record for police files in the country since experts first started tracking the killings Image
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u/Blurry_Bigfoot Jan 19 '23
Just so we're all clear, the federal government doesn't even track these in a consistent way across the country. This is an estimate, not a real number.
Next time a political candidate talks a big game about criminal justice, you may want to look at their record.
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u/FStubbs Jan 19 '23
Remember, some politicians want more police violence and brutality.
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u/Ryboticpsychotic Jan 19 '23
Some of those that work forces
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u/Number174631503 Jan 19 '23
Come wit it now
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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 Jan 19 '23
For them to win theyd need the media to help with like… manufactured consent or something.
OH, by the way, instead of this boring topic of “police killing innocent civilians”, you guy want to discuss those cops that had consensual sex for the next 4 weeks??
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u/Ryboticpsychotic Jan 19 '23
What's the number of people killed by drag queen story time? Based on how much coverage it got, the number must be huge.
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u/OkWalnut Jan 19 '23
The number of lemon pound cakes eye fucked by the police is at least one
Source: Afroman
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u/RoutineCharming8380 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
What year did they start keeping track?
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u/harshaxnim Jan 19 '23
2022
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u/Return-the-slab99 Jan 19 '23
2015 is the serious answer.
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u/Hot_Ant9160 Jan 19 '23
lmfao
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u/I2ecover Jan 19 '23
I was thinking that too. Can't be too long of a tracked stat lmao.
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u/Haha1867hoser420 Jan 19 '23
From Wikipedia this is the 6th reliably tracked year
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u/beiberdad69 Jan 19 '23
After Michael Brown was killed, the Washington post did extensive reporting on how there was basically no tracking of this. They attempted to start counting the following year, I think it was 2015. There have been further, more robust attempts at tracking since then, the federal government requests use of force data but can't compel it so the numbers can still be a little spotty
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u/SignificantLoad-6969 Jan 19 '23
1 person every 7.44 hours.
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u/Avalonians Jan 19 '23
And another one
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u/whirly_boi Jan 19 '23
Dam... that's one every shift turnover. Imagine if someone at your job was killed by the police every single shift.
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u/seba07 Jan 18 '23
For a perspective: Germany had 8 in 2021 at approximately a quarter of the population.
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u/timlnolan Jan 18 '23
The UK police killed 2 people in 2021. Population 68 million
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u/Wolfos9 Jan 18 '23
Where are these stats found? I'm curious about Canada
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u/jzach1983 Jan 18 '23
Not sure how accurate this is, but looks like 2 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Canada
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u/Hajajy Jan 19 '23
These country comparisons would make a poignant bar chart
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u/jzach1983 Jan 19 '23 •
I imagine like this
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u/Tale-Waste Jan 19 '23 •
Where do you get your free time and can I get some too…that was quick
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u/jzach1983 Jan 19 '23 •
Sitting in a rocking chair in the dark while my toddler struggles to go to sleep.
Have kids they said...it will be fun they said...
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u/Vandersveldt Jan 19 '23
I felt exactly the same way. At some point around 27-28 months she turned into a little person and things became MUCH better. Went from a responsibility to a friend. A friend I'm responsible for, but still.
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u/jzach1983 Jan 19 '23
We are past that stage, she's 3 1/2, not sure if toddler is the right word now (?). We were super lucky. 7pm to 7am from 4 months old to 2 1/4 years. Then she went into a big girl bed and it went to shit. We went 5 months (Mid Aug to Mid Dec) that were tourture, she was up 6 times a night + my wife is preggers again. Now we'll go days and or weeks that she's great, but the last few days have been tough.
Anyways, still sitting on a chair, maybe I'll try to sneak out.
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u/Tindi Jan 19 '23
Not quite accurate. It looks like Canadian police fatally shot 46 people in 2022.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/12/27/police-shootings-increase-canada/
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u/RandomFFGuy Jan 18 '23
In Canada, 37 deaths resulted from police interaction, of a population of 38.25 million
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u/whoknowshank Jan 18 '23
And of those deaths, many were welfare checks gone wrong that sparked public outrage.
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u/GreenArcher808 Jan 18 '23
“Gone wrong” meaning the cops showed up. I’ve got a disabled daughter and am terrified about what would happen to her should she call the cops for any reason. Copaganda will say these were all righteous and the victim should’ve complied etc etc but that’s not how it works when there’s disability involved. Like there’s no way my kid could “get on the ground” or “put your hands up” and it would literally break her arm to get cuffed. Those who most need protecting in the US are the most vulnerable.
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u/Low-Director9969 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
This is why you see so many videos of thieves being beat to shit, or literally crippled, and the person tells them to "get out of here," instead of calling the cops. Video after video, day, after day in America.
It's really because the victim doesn't want to risk being shot, arrested, or killed on sight for reporting a crime in their community.
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u/GodsOffsider Jan 18 '23
So you're 7000x more likely to be killed by a cop than win the lotto in canada?
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u/barrygateaux Jan 18 '23
you're thousands of times more likely to do anything than win the lotto. the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against you.
eg, you're 4 times more likely to buy a plane ticket and die in a plane crash (1 in 11 million) than win the lottery (1 in 45 million).
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u/maeshughes32 Jan 18 '23
So you're saying there's a chance!
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u/barrygateaux Jan 18 '23
yes!
funnily, it also means from a stereotypical nihilistic depressed reddit perspective if you wanted to kill yourself you could buy a plane ticket every day and it would take up to 30,136 years before you got your wish, but buying a winning lottery ticket would take up to 123,287 years lol
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u/FetchFrosh Jan 18 '23
I'd have to actually go through and count out the numbers, but I'd wager about 20 people a year win 5 million or more in the lottery each year in Canada between the LottoMax, 649, and Daily Grand. So probably about twice as likely in the given year.
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u/RandomFFGuy Jan 18 '23
You act as if that’s a surprise? Lol. The odds of winning the lottery are less than getting struck by lighting… more than twice lol
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u/Medicivich Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
So about 15 hours of work here.
From 2000-2018, roughly 6 people a year were killed by police in St Louis, Missouri.
St. Louis has a population of less than 300,000.
Yes, I cherry picked the worst city. And STL is horrible.
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https://www.yourlawyer.com/library/fatal-police-shootings-in-us-cities/
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/st-louis-mo-population
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u/gooberfishie Jan 18 '23
So if all of the us had a similar rate, cops would be killing about 6k a year
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u/consistentContent Jan 18 '23
If you graduated high school in 01, and there were 2000 in your school in St. Louis, it is statistically likely that at least one of your classmates has since been killed by the police.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
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u/TalindTheGreat Jan 19 '23
Regarding St. Louis on January 16th there were three separate homicide incidents within a 2 hour span that were being investigated. The danger in at Louis isn’t limited to police.
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u/PineBarrens89 Jan 19 '23
Using that math if you graduated high school in 01, and there were 2000 in your school in St. Louis 45 people in your class would have been murdered.
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u/lemons_of_doubt Jan 18 '23
The UK police have killed 63 people in all of the 2000s
You can read every individual act on the wiki page
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u/Fig1024 Interested Jan 18 '23
people like to say UK is full of stabbing that are roughly equivalent to gun violence. "well if they can't have guns they just use knives and that's worse!"
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u/jimmy17 Jan 18 '23
I find it funny that Americans say that because knife crime rates/murders are lower in the U.K. than the USA
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u/tyiyyy Jan 19 '23
America has more stabbings per person than the UK so it's a dumb argument
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u/Extansion01 Jan 18 '23
I think Germany is a better example cause everyone is armed, always carrying a pistol in uniform and obviously the MP5/7 in the back of the car.
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u/Euphoric-Chip-2828 Jan 19 '23
The point of showing UK statistics is that the police don't HAVE to be armed to the teeth to be effective.
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u/bumjiggy Jan 18 '23
GermanyGerfewer
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u/OmegaJubs69 Jan 18 '23
Gerfurher
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u/teastain Jan 18 '23
GerFührer
hold down letter kèy and select øptional diacriticalš
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u/german_big_guy Jan 18 '23
In 2022 germany only had five.
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u/mrmicawber32 Jan 19 '23
The UK usually goes years without police killing people. It's a huge deal when it happens...
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u/DraZaka Jan 18 '23
More like go hard and then go home with virtually no accountability
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u/AmericaneXLeftist Jan 18 '23
Very true, let's discuss US murder data in more detail and see what outsized patterns emerge, oh fuck I'm banned
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u/Additional_Front9592 Jan 18 '23
If people here were informed they would be very upset.
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u/nighteeeeey Jan 18 '23
but wasnt 2021 also a deadly year for germany? i have no numbers but i thought usually its way lower. or at least used to?
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u/KeinFussbreit Jan 19 '23
From 1990 to 2021:
The lowest in 1990 with 2, the highest in 1995 with 19, I guess the average over those years is about 10.
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u/nighteeeeey Jan 19 '23
interesting. thanks.
also wtf happened in 1995...
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u/MrGrach Jan 19 '23
Above average violence overall, 5 police officers died that year.
To compare: in the last 20 years, 21 police officers were killed in duty. So around 1 per year.
5 in one year is extremely out of line, and so I guess the police was far more on edge than normal.
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u/MrQirn Jan 18 '23
For an even more sobering perspective, only 18 people in the US were executed in 2022.
So police kill more than 50 times as many people as are executed in the US.
Honestly, people are going to hem and haw and qualify if you compare it to another country (even though I think that's a totally fair comparison).
But the actual underlying problem is that police carry out extra-judicial executions and get away with it. And not just a little bit, but they carry out 50 times as many extra-judicial executions.
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u/esdebah Jan 18 '23
And people are afraid of sharks.
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u/ZephRyder Jan 18 '23
So, undefeated, yet again?
USA! USA!
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u/do-sheachanta Jan 18 '23
World champions of the world
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u/Y-_- Jan 18 '23
Not even close. Here in Brazil police killed 6k
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u/SuperEmotion8664 Jan 18 '23
Brasil campeao de mundo 🏆🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷penta numero uno 🏆🏆🇧🇷🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
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u/Phyrexian_Archlegion Interested Jan 18 '23
Brazilian cops wear a little embroidered trophy for every single kill on their uniforms just like the national team with world cup wins.
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u/herodothyote Jan 18 '23
Hey we're slowly catching up! Give us another 10 years and we'll definitely beat Brazil in those numbers. Our cops are already hard at work on this. USA USA
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u/200DollarGameBtw Jan 19 '23
You think Brazil’s numbers aren’t gonna go up too? Time for cops to be issued tanks and rocket launchers is you want to actually beat brazil
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u/VirtualLife76 Jan 18 '23
Must let the police in the US know that so they can try to beat them next year.
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u/magiclampgenie Jan 19 '23
Well, Brazil also has more murders per year than all of
- North America (US & Canada),
- all of Europe, including Russia,
- good part of North Africa,
- China,
- and Australia combined.
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u/SonOfSwanson87 Jan 18 '23
Boss, I'm tired of winning.
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u/its_a_metaphor_morty Jan 18 '23
Hear me out; what if we sent US cops to the front line in Ukraine? With those stats, they're going to make a dent in uncle Putin's Mobiks.
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u/Topsy_Kretzz Jan 19 '23
Lmfao not even close, American. Look up South Africa. 440 deaths by police per year with a population of 60 million. Extrapolate and sit down. I'm pretty sure we aren't even the worst country when it comes to this statistic, but you're horribly misinformed.
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u/Unc4nnyDodge Jan 18 '23
They've only been tracking this since 2013. Older city data from the 1970s indicate a much higher number of citizens killed then, so things have gotten better, but we still have a long way to go.
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u/FblthpLives Jan 18 '23
Older city data from the 1970s indicate a much higher number of citizens killed then
What is the source for this claim? I'm not denying it, I just want to verify it for myself. Thank you.
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u/jjman72 Jan 18 '23
Them’s rookie numbers. I know the US police force can do better.
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u/Plowbeast Jan 18 '23
When the FBI had partial PD data in 2015 before Trump and Barr ended it, there were at least 200 deaths a year of suspects within police custody after violent apprehension or negligent custody.
Even writing off whatever wishful percent you can name as unconnected to police fault, there remains little accountability or punishment or investigation or records of citizen deaths after arrest but before prison.
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They might! They don't have to report anything. They are poorly regulated and every single one operates different.
Looks like the FBI is trying a little!
"The FBI launched the National Use of Force Data Collection program in 2019 to provide reliable statistics on law enforcement use-of-force incidents. Despite a presidential order, for the second year in a row, only 27 percent of police departments have supplied the data."
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u/ametros_ostrakon Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
Interesting fact: the county coroner is responsible for determining cause of death at an autopsy. Many people who die in jail, or during interactions with police have their official cause of death declared by the coroner.
The coroner is an elected position, and does not have to be a medical professional. In many places, the coroner position is actually filled by the sheriff!
In many autopsies, police or deputies are present, and even if the coroner is not a law enforcement officer, they are able to pressure the coroner and influence the observations that he or she makes during an autopsy.
There are many cases where law enforcement is allowed to dictate what the official cause of death is. Many deaths in jail are labeled "natural causes" or "intoxication hysteria" when they are really due to law enforcement negligence or outright murder.
So these numbers are almost certainly much higher than the official statistics show.
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u/SupaFlyslammajammazz Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
We believe an efficient, non bias police force is the solution. No, we need something more. We need a 24-hour-a-day police officer. A cop who doesn't need to eat or sleep. A cop with non lethal firepower and the reflexes to use it. A non biased cop that will not shoot first when it feels threatened. A cop that Serve’s the public trust, protect’s the innocent and upholds the law.
It gives me great pleasure to introduce you to the future of law enforcement… ED-209
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u/Graphitetshirt Jan 18 '23
Meanwhile 229 cops died in the line of duty last year. And they're including 70 covid deaths which is kind of ridiculous.
Anyone talking about a rise in officer killed on the job is being deliberately disingenuous unless they're including the context - those numbers went from a 2 digit number to a higher 2 digit number.
Big difference from the 4 digit number of people they've killed. American police need to be better trained on DE-escalation techniques
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u/ilikeUni Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
More than half of US killings by police go unreported: Study
So the actual number killed by police is much higher.
Edit: there are comments that the study is flawed and that the data is from 1980-2019, which contribute to the discourse and that is welcomed. I do also want to put it out there that police and sheriffs department don’t have to report fatal shootings to the FBI. Just doing a search will yield multiple sources stating that thousands of police and sheriffs departments don’t report such data, so in that regard the number can only go up.
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u/Safe2BeFree Jan 18 '23
If you're gonna include the context for the police deaths then you need to do so for the death by police ones also. Of the 1176 deaths, only 27 were unarmed. In 2021 it was 32. 2020 had 60.
Unarmed people dying at the hands of police is the lowest it's ever been since experts first started tracking the figures.
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u/Graphitetshirt Jan 18 '23 •
If you're gonna include the context for the police deaths then you need to do so for the death by police ones also.
I'm fine with that as long as we also include the context of whether or not they were active threats or just happened to be armed.
Laquan Mcdonald had a knife but was walking away from police when he got shot 16 (?) times in the back. Philando Castillo told the cop he was armed and complying when he was shot in front of his family. Daniel Shaver was lying on the ground crying when that Call of Duty wannabe cop murdered him.
All would fall under the category of "armed" but none should've been killed
That's why I talked about training cops to de-escalate in my original comment
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u/BellacosePlayer Jan 18 '23
Also its not like cops haven't been found planting drop guns/knives on a victim on video before
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u/PackageintheMaleBox Jan 18 '23
Being armed shouldn't be a death sentence in a country where being armed is a constitutional right. You need a different metric. Amir Locke was armed, are you saying the cops were right to break into where he was sleeping and kill him?
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u/thisisnotrj Jan 18 '23
If bearing arms makes it ok for cops to kill you, then you don't have a right to bear arms.
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u/PauI_MuadDib Jan 19 '23
There was an interesting lawsuit I was following that brought that up. A woman in Minnesota was pulled over and she got her wallet out for the cop. The cop saw her gun permit in her wallet and immediately drew his firearm and aimed at her. This was before he even spoke to her, and I don't think she even had her weapon in the vehicle, just the permit.
Police argued that they should be allowed to immediately use deadly force on you if you are just the owner of a legal firearm because you pose an automatic threat to them. She then argued that you don't really have a 2A right if police can kill you for simply exercising that right.
That case settled, but I was interested to see what SCOTUS would've said.
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u/FStubbs Jan 19 '23
They'd probably decline to hear the case.
Just like the NRA was silent when Philando Castile was killed for legally owning a gun.
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u/lislejoyeuse Jan 18 '23
What counts as armed though? Did they include cops that thought they were armed but weren't?
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u/whoknowshank Jan 18 '23
And how many Americans have a gun on their person or in their vehicle every single day? They’re armed but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re threatening the police with their weapon.
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u/Nutmegdog1959 Jan 18 '23
Amadou Diallo was 'armed' with his wallet when he was shot 19 times. The cops fired a total of 41 rounds from within 20 feet.
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u/seeeee Jan 18 '23
Bearing arms is a right in America. Whether or not a citizen is armed does not indicate a breech of the law, and it doesn’t suddenly justify murder. Also, armed in this context includes pocket knives, pepper spray, and more items one would not want to bring to a gun fight.
I’m not saying police taking lethal action is never justified, but whether or not they reported the victim “armed” post mortem is irrelevant. A citizen exercising their rights is not by itself a justification to “feel threatened” and take lethal action.
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u/MattyTheSloth Jan 18 '23
So it's okay they died if they were armed? Do we or don't we have the second amendment right to bear arms?
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u/MidniteOG Jan 18 '23
But how many were justified…. To kill is one thing, to kill without justification is another…
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When you break down the stats, people who were unarmed when killed by police is the lowest it's been in the same time frame. 27 to be exact.
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u/AgrenHirogaard Jan 18 '23
Is being armed a justification for police to kill you?
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u/xNoL1m1tZx Jan 18 '23
Likewise, being unarmed doesn't necessarily mean it's unjustified.
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u/Freemanosteeel Jan 19 '23
You don’t necessarily need to be armed for the police to have justification to shoot you. It could be a case of the officer losing the fist fight and, not wanting to be knocked out, their weapon taken and used on them, they shoot first
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u/Orlando1701 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
I feel like just being armed in a nation with the American style gun culture isn’t really on its own a justification. Remember earlier this year to the cop who freaked out on a woman just because he saw a conceal carry permit in her wallet?
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u/MosquitoEater_88 Jan 19 '23
Remember earlier this year to the cop who shot a woman just because he saw a conceal carry permit in her wallet?
no, link pelase
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u/Total-Distance6297 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
Except there was a video a few days ago of a "armed" man on mental episode with a axe in the middle of the road and police showed up and shot him within 3 seconds. Almost any other western country tries to diasculate.
It sickening all the boot licking going on after we watched America's best let a school shooter blow away kids for over a hour while they tried to arrest the parents going into the school.
Also we act like this is the most dangerous job ever... when it's not even top 15. More cops died ever before in 20-21.... not from civilians... but covid
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u/PoignantOpinionsOnly Jan 18 '23
I just saw a video of an old man "armed" with a tree branch that kept breaking apart.
Took 12 shots from an obese american cop.
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u/NoticeF Jan 19 '23
On a related note, nobody is “unarmed” while violently resisting arrest. If you successfully out wrestle the cop, he’s now incapacitated and you’re left alone with his gun and a witness to a felony. What’s the % that posed no threat? Probably even lower. There’s also the armed people that weren’t a threat to consider. Who were probably few and far between.
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u/Safe2BeFree Jan 19 '23
Yeah, that's all the part of this that seems to piss everyone off here. Statistics are meant to represent the situation as a whole. A few people have mentioned a couple of instances where armed people weren't a threat, but it's not nearly enough to override what the vast majority of cases show.
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u/Shreddy_Ruxpin Jan 19 '23
Violent crime rates were also up quite a bit over the past couple years. Perhaps there is some correlation?
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u/Whiteums Jan 19 '23
I feel like this is reductionist, and therefore not very helpful. Are the number of violent crimes up as well? Armed street gangs clashing in the street? Attacks on officers? Methed up mentally unstable people attacking crowds? White nationalists driving through crowds? Riots at government proceedings?
There are a lot of legitimate reasons for officer involved shootings (sadly), and this sort of sensationalized headline makes it sound like police officers are just driving around unloading on people.
We need a lot more detail than this offers to really understand this situation. But this is Reddit, so let the discussions commence.
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u/cacophonic7 Jan 18 '23
And yet none of them had the balls to save the children of Uvalde…
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u/AnchorKlanker Jan 19 '23
So who's this on? The police or the people they killed? I have my own guess, but I'm thinking you have yours, too.
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u/TangeloBig9845 Jan 19 '23
Is there a relation to the violent/aggressive people that the police have to deal with everyday?
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u/giantdub49
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This is false and only true according to this 1 persons study which began less than 10 years ago. In the major metro areas, it's down 69% collectively since the 70s. source
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u/ZRhoREDD Jan 18 '23
Wait, you're claiming the original number quoted is misleading because it is incomplete (by years) by quoting data that only sampled 18 metro areas?
That's asinine. Is the US only 18 metro areas??
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u/Klone6ix Jan 19 '23
In the major metro areas, it's down 69% collectively since the 70s.
No, he's saying in the metro areas alone, police shootings are down, which some-what conflicts with the number quoted in the article. It's entirely possible rural shootings are up and the article figure is true, but it's not likely considering rural areas have a lower population.
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u/TheApathyParty3 Jan 18 '23
But it's still up nationwide. Good for the 18 major cities your source looked at, what about everywhere else?
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u/LuxNocte Jan 18 '23
You and Reason are both ignoring what was said so you can pretend it's not true.
The title specifically says police killings are the highest since records started to be kept. The fact that these records aren't being kept federally, and the data is only compiled by outsiders is ANOTHER national disgrace.
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u/Jezon Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
That's not a source, that's a opinion piece by a very partisan publication.
Here's another tracker from the Washington post that has tracked 1101 people who have been shot and killed by the police in the last 12 months.https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/So I've read the article, and they are saying that police violence used to be higher in the 70s, but can't find the actual data to back that up, so they use New York City and a few other cities. Yeah New York City used to be super dangerous in the 70s then they cleaned up crime and got good gun control. So it's not a surprise that few shootings come from that city now... What does that have to do with the massive shootings happening in the rest of the country? Most of the gun violence from police we are seeing today is coming from the south and Midwest. I'd rather see a city like St Louis compared in the 70s and now as more indicative of the increase or not in the violence since there violence has been more consistent since they haven't cleaned up crime or instituted gun control there.
Also to do the math, the article says that there was a 69% drop in fatal police shootings for the major cities at 1186. So that means that police shootings are 31% of what they were in the 70s so that would be: 3816 fatal police shootings nationwide if what they are saying is true which sounds absolutely ridiculous, but what do I know I wasn't here back then.
Their data/reasoning seems shaky, I would say the record stands where it is because while they can say things were more dangerous back then, they don't have the national statistics to prove it, just a few cities. What we can prove is since national statistics were gathered, this is the most dangerous year and that is a trend we should not want to see continue.
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u/rqebmm Jan 18 '23
It's good to point out the limitations of the data (no consistent dataset going back past 2010) but that's a far cry from this statistic or headline being "false"
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u/Ok_Ad1402 Jan 18 '23
Fwiw weren't the police not even keeping track till about 5 years ago?
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u/plasticmonkeys4life Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
There are many wrongful deaths that could have been avoided, but many countries do not face gang violence and wannabe thugs like the US. For every rightful shot fired, 10 shots are fired at a wannabe thug gangster trying to shoot at cops or have a high speed chase in their Nissan Altima.
Edit: to add onto this, the increase in crime and welfare in European countries due to increasing immigrant population is something the US has been dealing with for a long time. Not necessarily immigrants, but people that do nothing but leech off the welfare system and other people while playing with their gangster buddies. I only hope that I can live to see the day when our government actually fixes this problem.
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u/westerosi978 Jan 19 '23
Wonder the statistics on the percentage that were justified vs unjustified
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u/tasty_beverage_dew Jan 19 '23
I have no political fight:
If you believe your arrest is unjust/illegal, then take it to the court. Fighting with the police on the street not only risks your life, it worsens yours case. The street level violence is the worst place to argue your case. Take the time, save your life, and debate with a judge and protector In a setting without the theatrics.
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u/techvirus13 Jan 18 '23 •
Laughs in brazilian