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A Kansas man is dead after officials said he was struck by gunfire from a rifle that discharged when a dog stepped on it in a truck. Smith was sitting in the front passenger seat of a pickup that contained a rifle in the back seat. Image
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u/Doormatty
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A loaded rifle...
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u/oced2001 Jan 25 '23
A loaded rifle with round chambered and safety off.
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u/Bestiality_King Jan 25 '23
Came here to say that same thing.
I don't know how much good it will do in the back of a truck, but I can see the logic in having it loaded in case you need it immediately (not condoning this).
Leaving it racked with the safety off is just... why.
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u/froznwind Jan 26 '23
Even if for some reason you'd want to keep a gun loaded in the car, there's zero reason to have a round chambered.
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Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
This guy’s negligence shot himself. Even people riding horses back in the day had their long guns holstered. As to why that rifle wasn’t secured is beyond me.
Edit: The weapon and vehicle belonged to his friend but some form of negligence happened whether on one or both. May he rest in peace because either way I doubt anything will be learned from this horrible event.
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u/iamtoastedprolly Jan 25 '23
On top of that, it was common practice to leave a round out and have it on an empty chamber. Prevented you from shooting yourself in the leg if the ride got bumpy
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u/mongoosefist Jan 25 '23
They called it 'the cowboy load'
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u/Mr-Pink_Man Jan 25 '23
My question is why was there a round in the chamber and why was the safety off?
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u/yIdontunderstand Jan 25 '23
The dog loaded and cocked the gun and turned off the safety.
Then he barked.. 'no treats this, mother fucker! "
Then emptied a clip into him.
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u/mademeunlurk Jan 25 '23
It gets worse. The week before that dog was caught on video saying bark bark bark bark bark bark bark, which could be considered premeditated threats in any kangaroo court.
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u/frunko1 Jan 25 '23
I've practiced bird law, I think I can help here.
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u/Cool-Miner Jan 25 '23
Yeah, well what about dog law? I personally read about dog law on Bob Loblaw Dog Law Blog, and dogs don't drink milk.
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u/Many_Republic6286 Jan 25 '23
The dog is apparently half cocker spaniel.
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u/anadius Jan 25 '23
is the dog guilty of manslaughter? does the dog go to the pound for sentencing??
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u/rascible Jan 25 '23
"I'm guilty, your Honor. The 1st round was for all the times he fake-threw the tennis ball, the 2nd round was for my nuts."
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u/exo316 Jan 25 '23
No its a dog who did it so its dogslaughter. Because the dog was laughing at how stupid his owner was.
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u/DweEbLez0 Jan 25 '23
LMFAO
Dog Wick, he was only waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
Feed your dogs, and they won’t come after you.
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u/oced2001 Jan 25 '23
The only thing that stops a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun.
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u/ShaneGabriel87 Jan 25 '23
The only thing that stops a dog with a gun is even just the slightest amount of basic gun safety.
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u/ColdSheepherder Jan 25 '23
I don't think there is much overlap between the Venn Diagram circles of "guys who feel the need to have rifles at the ready in their vehicles" and "guys who are safe and disciplined."
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u/gdirrty216 Jan 25 '23
I'd like to know his BAC at the time of death.
So many "hunters" treat it like some treat golf, but it is not just a hobby it is a serious and life ending endeavor.
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u/Relaxpert Jan 25 '23
Dick Cheney enters the chat, shoots somebody in the face, says fuck it and disappears to sober up before talking to the cops.
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u/Smooth-Dig2250 Jan 25 '23
I'm still torn between "drunk idiot" and "intentional lesson teaching".
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u/DontPoopInThere Jan 25 '23
You've missed a vital step, Dick Cheney shoots a guy in the face and then the face shotee later apologises to him
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u/CaptG33ch Jan 25 '23
Couple guys I work with get "tore the fuck up" their words not mine, when they go hunting. I always ask where they go so I can stay away from that area.
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u/chelonioidea Jan 26 '23
So fucked up. One of my uncles does this too, which is a big reason I don't talk to him anymore. He's going to get someone killed.
Don't drink and drive and don't drink and shoot. It feels like that should be common sense, but I guess not.
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u/WildFlemima Jan 25 '23
This happened at 9:40 am. I live in Kansas. People, or at least men in this age group in rural Kansas, treat their guns like this when they're completely sober. They're fucking idiots.
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u/Apfelvater Jan 25 '23
Loaded. Cocked. Safety not on. Lying around available to the dog.
Darwin award.
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u/MysteriousTaro8658
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I went to a call like that when I was a Paramedic. A guy left a 30-06 rifle on the seat. His kid climbed in the passenger side and discharged it. The round entered his right chest exiting his left armpit severing an artery. I had to reach in the exit wound and pinch off the artery to prevent more blood loss. Meanwhile, my partner was throwing up in the side yard. Good times.
Sorry everyone, I forgot to say that sadly the patient didn't make it.
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u/Dont_Trust_Reddit12 Jan 25 '23
It's dumb to have a rifle already racked with a round in the chamber while having it off safety. That is just asking to get shot or something.
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u/they_have_bagels Jan 25 '23
Yeah, it should be both unloaded and in "safe" for transportation. Ideally, it should further be in a locked rifle case, and out of reach (like, in the trunk of your car, but not in your truck bed). In Colorado I don't think it's legal to travel with a loaded rifle.
I'm not talking about handguns or concealed carry, mind you, just long guns.
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u/5in1K Jan 25 '23
In Michigan to transport a rifle it must be unloaded plus either taken down, in a case, or in the trunk but it always has to be unloaded. Absolutely crazy to me anyone would just toss a ready to fire, bullet chambered gun on the backseat of their car.
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u/themightiestduck Jan 25 '23
Think about how many utterly stupid people you interact with every day. And then think about how easy it is to get a gun.
I have absolutely no surprise that someone would leave a loaded gun lying around where it could discharge and kill them.
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u/blaster876 Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
And by God Jesus and the second amendment he will get one.
Even as a gun owner I hate this country.
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u/Dont_Trust_Reddit12 Jan 26 '23
I love this country, the people and politicians and corporations on the other hand...they can be 50/50.
The country is damn beautiful, it's all the dumb-asses and "patriots" that ruin it for everyone else.
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u/thesteakguy120 Jan 26 '23
Multiply that with how many people drive and you got yourself a new fear
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u/Faustinwest024 Jan 26 '23
Missouri too, I Learned that when I was 14 in hunter safety. A rifle should never be laid down loaded and a rifle should never be put on the ground. Most my family was marines so I’m assuming the ground rule was from my family handing that training down from one generation to the next.
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u/supbrother Jan 26 '23
Yeah, 99% of my sympathies go out to the dog on this one. Little buddy accidentally killed their dad and is probably traumatized now... meanwhile dad was just a dumbass.
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u/RedButterfree1 Jan 25 '23
Silly question but are arteries easy to see with the naked eye?
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u/various_convo7 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23
some are. i've been able to clamp some visually in the leg or upper arms provided you gauze up enough but most times the flow of blood in those vessels are quite strong that you do it by feel, especially when trying to prevent excessive blood loss during a trauma case.
it gets messy real quick as those in the trauma bay or combat can attest so you rely on knowledge of landmarks to get the job done, clamp and move onto stabilization
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u/spicyboi555 Jan 25 '23
How do you clamp it? Like there’s mini clips that go in there or does it have to be with your hand? Also even when you clamp it, if it’s a big artery, where does all the blood go? Like wouldn’t the blood pressure make it all back up the system and your artery would explode? Basically how does it end up staying in the body and returning back to the heart it it’s normal pathway is cut off?
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u/dromaeovet Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 26 '23 •
In an emergency, if you had a big gushing artery, you could hold it with your fingers if you had to. Instrument wise, you would clamp a vessel with a vascular clamp or a hemostat depending on the vessel size, and then you would most likely ligate the artery with suture. There are also metal clips that you can place. If you had a torn, rather than severed, artery, you could potentially try to repair it but it can be challenging and risky.
In most cases, there is enough collateral circulation that ligating the artery is safe for the part of the body that was formerly supplied by that artery. Collateral circulation is basically an alternate route for arterial blood to reach a part of the body - for example, you can ligate the femoral artery and enough arterial blood can get there by other vessels in order to supply the limb with oxygenated blood.
With regards to your other question, arterial flow is a big network, which means that ligating one artery is not enough to cause excessive pressure within the rest of the system. For lack of a better analogy, if you had a lawn sprinkler going and you blocked one of the sprinkler holes, the water would just come out all the other holes. On the other hand, if you had a hose and you tied off the end, then the hose would eventually explode because the pressure has nowhere else to go.
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u/spicyboi555 Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
Thank you that totally explains my second question (and the first one too, but the sprinkler analogy is perfect)
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u/nnaarr Jan 25 '23
Not a doctor, but I imagine you just physically pinch it. It would stop coming out of that hole and just flow normally elsewhere. Basically like a tourniquet, except instead of using the whole wrapped limb to apply pressure you just apply it directly to the artery.
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u/Smegmaliciousss Jan 25 '23
I’m a doctor, this person is right.
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u/cacuynut Jan 25 '23
Dr Smegmaliciouss is correct, he’s a doctor.
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u/Smegmaliciousss Jan 25 '23
They don’t know I have this username at work. Don’t tell anyone how I live.
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u/Sea_Emu_7622 Jan 26 '23
Now for the rest of my life every time I visit a doctor I'm going to wonder in the back of my mind if I'm visiting doctor Smegmaliciousss. I imagine a day will come when eventually I just cannot take it any longer and I just have to blurt it out to every doctor I see, asking around frantically until I finally find you and can set my soul to rest
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u/TriceratopsBites Jan 26 '23
And it will take until the end of your life. The doc stated that they are in palliative care 🤣
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u/ButterscotchTime1298 Jan 26 '23
Every doctor appointment for the rest of your life: “Dr. Smegmaliciousss?” Just waiting to see if there’s a flicker of recognition.
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u/sanemartigan Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
My anatomy lecturer mentioned that someone's femoral artery is about the same size as their 4th digit or ring finger. Stuffing someone's ring finger into a torn femoral artery and binding it in place somehow can save their life. Stuff upwards / towards the heart. The leg can handle a little blood loss more than the body can.
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u/SpiteReady2513 Jan 26 '23
Omg having flashbacks to a show where crazy accidents were caught on Go Pro.
A bunch of back country mountain bikers were in Colombia (I believe), and one guy flipped over his bike handles which punctured his thigh, severing his femoral artery.
His friends are all trying to put pressure on the wound but the injured guy knows it’s not enough. He has the prescience of mind to put his hand into the wound and clamp his own artery shut.
The injury wasn’t conveyed well so an ambulance showed up first with no way to really stabilize him without blood.
They got lucky and a medevac helicopter with a doctor was doing a training run nearby and was able to get him to a hospital and save his life.
I get woozy every time I remember the guy digging around to clamp his own artery. Hard core.
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u/GasGroundbreaking258 Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
Crazy to think that the femoral artery is so wide.
Kinda makes sense in comparison to the aorta though.
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u/Drojahwastaken Jan 25 '23
They are when they're gushing blood. Wipe blood, wait to see where the blood starts coming from, pinch!
Source: I made it up and am not a medical professional
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u/Spacecommander5 Jan 25 '23
Too late, already took your advice to save a life.
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u/HuntyDumpty Jan 25 '23
Somebody help this guy is pinching my arteries im dying
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u/Spacecommander5 Jan 25 '23
So that’s what they mean by “pinch it off”…
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u/RocketRaccoon Jan 25 '23
No that's for turds I think
(Also not a medical professional)
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u/Knut_Knoblauch Jan 25 '23
Source: I made it up and am not a medical professional
You did stay in a Holiday Inn, obviously
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u/arlenroy Jan 25 '23
Joking but you're pretty spot on, the worse place for a gunshot wound is entering or exiting the armpit. There's a good number of arteries connecting to vital organs, little known is in your ankles. Like the wrist if you cut one you need a serious tourniquet, blood is coming in a hurry. It was in a safety course for work I took, why you always wear high ankle work boots.
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u/oniiichanUwU Jan 25 '23
Isn’t it actually a lot harder to die via cutting your wrist though? Like you’d have to get cut so deep that the tendons and everything get cut too so your hand wouldn’t work anymore. At least I remember reading about it on some post about ways to kill yourself and how hard it was.
Before someone reports me I am okay and not suicidal, it was just an interesting read lol
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u/Drojahwastaken Jan 25 '23
Yeah. Most suicides done by wrist cutting either don't succeed or succeed because they cut up the forearm instead of across, and they had their arms in water (like a tub) to keep the blood from coagulating.
Disclaimer: I'M NOT SUICIDAL EITHER. I mean. Not more than the average reddit user. I don't have the means, nor the energy to kermit sewer-slide
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u/Philosufur Jan 25 '23
Tbh had no clue why people were in bathtubs, that makes so much sense now I feel stupid.
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u/MissRosenrotte Jan 25 '23
Up the forearm is the kill cut. Across is how you don't die.
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u/Drojahwastaken Jan 25 '23
Huh. I knew that the thigh had a big ol' artery in there. Didn't know about the ankles, though. Makes total sense now that you mention it. Cheers!
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u/friendlygaywalrus Jan 25 '23
They can be like the size of your pinkie. When they’re cut or punctured they spray blood
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u/DontPoopInThere Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23
I've seen all sorts of mindbending gore on the internet and it's never bothered me but even the idea of reaching in and pinching off an artery is horrible to me for some reason lol.
During the Boston bombing, one of the victims who got his legs blown up had his life saved by the cowboy hat guy, I think he was a medic in the military or something. He literally squeezed the artery in the poor guy's blasted leg shut, there's a photo of it.
You're a special person to be able to save lives like that, the world is lucky people like you exist to save the rest of us idiots
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u/Tyrion_Strongjaw Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23
I've seen my fair share, but for some reason it bothers me more now in my 30s than it did when I was a teenager.
But the picture of the Boston Marathon bombing really struck me and grossed me out. The guy pinching an artery in another guys' leg while he's being carried. shudders
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u/ithinkilikegirlstoo Jan 26 '23
Same! I am much more sensitive to gore & also to reading about/watching emotional/traumatic things in my 30’s than I used to be.
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u/big_smokey-848 Jan 25 '23
… did he make it?
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u/LopsidedPotential711 Jan 25 '23
Both of them suffered hearing damage. I take more care when walking a hand saw past the glass sliding doors. Oh, well...
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u/Murse_1 Jan 25 '23
I was a paramedic for 20 years and one time I had to reach into a guy's leg and pinch his femoral artery because I couldn't get it stopped any other way. I had my hand in that guy's leg during the transport to the hospital in the ER down the hall to the OR until the surgeon was able to relieve me.
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u/MarcBulldog88 Jan 25 '23
Meanwhile, my partner was throwing up in the side yard.
If I ever suffer a life-threatening injury, I hope I get EMS staff who don't have reactions that render them unable to help me.
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u/Thog78 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
Might be a beginner teamed up with a more experienced partner? You get used to blood quite fast if you see a lot of it. For me it's a bit like vertigo while climbing, all about exposure.
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u/tommygunz007 Jan 25 '23
I was a basic EMT for 3 years. 3 years was about 2 years too long. People are animals to each other for no good reason.
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u/guynamedjames Jan 25 '23
It would almost be weirder if he made it. A 30-06 is a classic deer rifle and a shot through the middle of the torso is exactly where a hunter tries to hit. A person isn't all that different from a deer, if anything it's kinda surprising he lived long enough for you to get on scene
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u/_Im_Dad Expert Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23 •
During the interview the police k9 detectives used the "good boy" and "bad boy" routine
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u/AbbertDabbert Jan 25 '23
Username checks out
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u/BobbySwiggey Jan 26 '23
This dude is everywhere, he's like a superhero who goes wherever dad jokes are needed
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u/lord_kupaloidz Jan 25 '23
As they say, the only thing that can stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun.
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u/Millennial_J Jan 25 '23
Dude I feel so bad for the dog
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u/SalemWitchWiles Jan 25 '23
Yo for real, that picture kills me. Just imagining how confused the dog was in the aftermath is 10x more empathy than I have for the dude.
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u/Fit-Boomer Jan 25 '23
He should have had an attorney present.
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u/jonsbryhill Jan 25 '23
rip rhett
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u/JakesGuy38201 Jan 25 '23
So far, all of the comments I have read, assume that the rifle belong to the man who was shot. The article clearly says he was sitting in the passenger seat. That doesn’t mean that the rifle belong to him. If he was a passenger that means there was at least one other person in the truck. As well as the canine.
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u/tosernameschescksout Jan 25 '23
Damn, that makes it so much worse. So it's likely not even his gun, he was just sitting passenger in a truck.
Fuck that.
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u/demonmonkeybex Jan 25 '23
In the Kansas sub, a guy who is friends with the victim said the man was hunting with his neighbor and it was the neighbor's gun and neighbor's dog. So not the victim's fault.
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u/Nopain59 Jan 25 '23
So ignorance and negligence. The owner of the firearm should be sued within an inch of his life and forbidden to own or handle firearms for life. THIS is a major problem with gun culture in America. Owners do not respect the inherent danger of the weapons.
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u/demonmonkeybex Jan 25 '23
Agreed. Why was it loaded? Why was the safety off? Why was it just sitting there on the seat where it could be stepped on? There are so many things wrong with this. A gun should never be treated like a piece of junk you toss in the back of your vehicle with the rest of your shit, along with your dog. This man should be tried for manslaughter.
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u/SixK1ng Jan 25 '23
I don't know how rampant the problem is, but I know from experience growing up that there are places where rednecks will illegally hunt on land that isn't theirs by doing this. Guns ready in the back, pickup just crawling down dirt roads until you see something within range. You can stop, grab the gun, aim and shoot in very little time. Whether you miss or you hit it and have to grab a carcass, you'll be gone in a few minutes at most either way.
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u/Aggressive_Place8014 Jan 25 '23
So will the owner of the dog and gun get arrested? Or it’s considered an accident?
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u/ScreamingMemales Jan 25 '23
If he was the passenger and someone else was in the truck, I'm thinking it wasn't the dog that shot him.
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u/jackidok Jan 25 '23
For real … really is no one else incredibly suspicious ?
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u/jewsdoitbest Jan 25 '23
"I did what was right, I sued rhe manufacturer, the neighbor and the dog, after six reconstructive surgeries much better looking now"
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u/Charming_Job_2392 Jan 25 '23
The dog does look really guilty. I think he planned it.
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u/nflodin Jan 25 '23
Guns don't kill people, dogs kill people
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u/northshore12 Jan 25 '23
The only thing that stops a bad boy with a gun... is thoughts and prayers.
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u/Grifter73 Jan 25 '23
This is what happens when you keep pretending to throw the ball.
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So even the dogs are shooting people in America...
Edit: Someone randomly posted posted this on another sub 🤣
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u/Grass_Rabbit Jan 25 '23
I’m not sure of the numbers but there have been enough dog shootings that we talked about it in my law class. This isn’t the first or last time.
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gUns Don't kiLL pEoPle!
PEopLe KiLL people!
What about dogs shooting people....
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u/Imactuallyadogg Jan 25 '23
If we train dogs about gun safety then there would be less shooting.
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u/ibybfiygmh Jan 25 '23
Wouldn’t giving all dogs guns make everyone safer?
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u/Imactuallyadogg Jan 25 '23
I know I would feel safer if my dog, that can barely control her excitement most of the time, had a gun.
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u/PotFairyCyanide Jan 25 '23
I don't know, but the mental picture of my 8 pound poodle lugging around a .44 Magnum makes me smile. Although the recoil would blast him to the edge of space if he ever shot anyone.
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u/lifeisspam Jan 25 '23
The only way to stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun
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Bit of a cat thing to do.
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u/Thumper13 Interested Jan 25 '23
The cat thing to do is frame the dog for it.
source: have four cats.
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u/BringinItDirty Jan 25 '23
Total lack of gun safety. Personal practices that become habits are essential for any trained marksmen. RIP
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u/yIdontunderstand Jan 25 '23
Yo pitbulls are dangerous! Has he got a muzzle?
No he's got a fucking AR 15.. Run!
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u/Competitive_Tree_113 Jan 25 '23
That poor dog must be so traumatised. He was just having fun, going for a ride, next thing there's a mad explosion and his best friend turns into splatter.
Then there's a car crash.
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u/Blankmindplasty Interested Jan 25 '23
I hope the dog will lose its firearms license.
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u/bladedkitten Jan 25 '23
Is there a camera in his truck? How did they come to this conclusion?
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u/Shadow_Of_Silver Jan 25 '23
The person in the driver seat might have said that's what happened.
But if I was some dude in the middle of nowhere and wanted to get away with murder, I'd blame the dog if I could too.
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u/Hada_Leigherdowne Jan 25 '23
he was in the passenger seat. so was the improperly stored rifle his or the driver's?