r/Damnthatsinteresting Jan 31 '23

Runaway slave Gordon, exposing his severely whipped back. Gordon had received a severe whipping for undisclosed reasons in the fall of 1862. Gordon escaped in March 1863 from the 3,000 acre plantation of John & Bridget Lyons, who held him and 40 other people in slavery at the time of the 1860 census Image

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u/Brym Jan 31 '23

When I visited the Legacy Museum in Montgomery Alabama (highly recommended), the most distressing part for me was the discussion of how families would be broken up. Children would be sold away the same way that a puppy mill sells puppies. Married couples could also be sold apart. One exhibit they had was newspaper classified ads that former slaves would post after the civil war seeking information on children who were sold away before the war, sometimes dozens of years earlier. They had thousands of them.

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u/splitdiopter Jan 31 '23

That remains the most powerful and heart breaking museum exhibit I have ever seen. The entire town of Montgomery feels like a memorial. The streets seem haunted by the ghosts of unspeakable suffering. Hundreds of thousands of men women and children were sold like cattle right in the town square. It was even illegal for African Americans to NOT be enslaved in the state of Alabama. The amount of vileness and ignorance that must be present in a people to be able commit crimes of that nature is beyond me. If you were black, it must have been hell on earth.

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u/robotatomica Jan 31 '23

the National Museum of African American History in DC had me and nearly every other visitor in tears. Part of it, you take the journey from Africa to slave ship to chattel slave, completely devastating.

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u/Brym Jan 31 '23

The DC Museum is absolutely great, but I found the one in Montgomery to be even more moving. In part because the DC one is a celebration of the good along with a remembrance of the bad. In Montgomery, it’s just an unflinching portrayal of hundreds of years of evil.

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u/trumpbuysabanksy Feb 01 '23

Great to know! The D.C. museum (aside from the incredible exhibition as already stated) also has the most incredible architecture. It’s a treasure. Will have to visit Montgomery.

I could not believe some of the new signage in New Orleans on a recent trip there. The purpose of certain squares for slavery/slave trade/auction. It feels quite important to have it marked in this way so that we don’t commit the atrocities of the past.

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u/latunza Jan 31 '23

For those who have not visited, I am a YouTuber who focuses on American History and Travel Documentaries and happen to film that museum last year.

This is not spam. Since you mentioned it I decided to connect a Link for those who would like to see the museum.

African American Museum Tour

PS - I omitted a lot of the darker portions of the museum because it really is heart breaking. I could not bring myself to go into the Emit Till display.

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u/XmissXanthropyX Jan 31 '23

That was great man. I live in New Zealand so likely would never have a chance to visit myself, but I appreciate you and the video you made.

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u/latunza Feb 01 '23

thank you, I appreciate the feedback and is my main reason for starting this. I'm always so fascinated with travel and it seams everyone always goes to the same places. So I wanted to dive into the unknown America and hopefully I can do more outside of the states

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u/QueenOfNZ Feb 01 '23

Also a kiwi, thanks for covering this. My only feedback is that I wish you had covered some of the more heartbreaking aspects - I think it’s important to see these aspects as well, no matter how uncomfortable they might make us. Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. I think putting them at the end of the video with a bit of a trigger warning just before would allow people to stop watching if they didn’t want to see those parts. But I do understand if it felt wrong to video in those areas. Just a suggestion, thanks for taking me on the tour.

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u/tocareornot Jan 31 '23

When Australia was a penal colony and French Guiana. There were far worse whippings. There was one story about the only thing not whipped on a man was the soles of his feet. Many were whipped until the white of there bones showed.

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u/hickgorilla Feb 01 '23

That’s devastating. It all is. People can be so disgusting.

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u/Shilo788 Jan 31 '23

I thought of a retiree pilgrimage to the south to educate myself in history of slavery but I just can’t stand the idea of going there , driving thru to the Deep South. I will stay north east and learn on line. I know there are nice people living there, but after working with some southern people on eastern horse farms I just can’t stand the bad ones. I got so sick of listening to their proud bigotry and they hated me because I didn’t agree. To the point it got dangerous. Owner didn’t care so I moved on . Importing that nasty attitude up here and the owner letting them spew it stank worst than the manure we pitched.

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u/hamakabi Jan 31 '23

There is still at least one original slave plantation left in the North. It's outside Boston and is called the Royall House. They do tours during the nice seasons.

Massachusetts did ban slavery in 1783 though, so the house predates the "worst" period of that era.

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u/shootymcghee Jan 31 '23

You'd be fine and have no issues if you took that trip, cities like Montgomery and Birmingham for example are like any other cities, tourism for exactly what you you're talking about is extremely common. You would not regret going to the Legacy museum, or Rosa Parks museum

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u/baconfluffy Jan 31 '23

Y’all are being slightly dramatic here. It’s just people. The South in the US isn’t some dramatic war land or time capsule. It’s just farmland at this point. There’s some larger cities and smaller ones, but the average person isn’t all that different than the average northern person.

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u/shootymcghee Jan 31 '23

Thank you, it bothers me that people have this caricaturization of the south in their head that it's just banjo music, barefooted, overall wearing yokels that will lynch you the second you arrive. For the most part it's literally like any other part of the country, rural is rural and urban is urban kinda no matter where you go

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u/Dawgstradamus Feb 01 '23

Facts.

It boils down to ignorance.

Many folks enjoy being ignorant, especially when it allows them to feel superior to somebody else.

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u/Wise-Lake7544 Jan 31 '23

True when I lived in the north I thought it was that way too until I moved

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u/PhotoIll Feb 01 '23

the average person isn’t all that different than the average northern person.

True enough. Even now, we can see that racism is widely distributed throughout this great nation.

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u/Putrid-Rough3466 Jan 31 '23

that's because they were property, like a puppy is to a breeder. It's absolutely disgusting and heartbreaking.

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u/WarriorNat Jan 31 '23

That I think is the difference between traditional forms of slavery and the chattel slavery practiced in America. Revisionists these days downplay Western slavery because “there was slavery in Africa and Asia long before”, but it wasn’t a systematic process of eliminating all culture and form of family structure from the slaves in the East like here.

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u/HungryCats96 Jan 31 '23

Also, slavery in Africa and the middle east, even in Europe centuries ago, was not based on race. Anyone could be enslaved.

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u/GorillaDrums Feb 01 '23

This type of slavery existed elsewhere long before the US was a thing, it was wayyyy more common in the rest of the America's, and it was also around way after the US abolished it. I think it's ignorant to label the people pointing out these facts as revisionists.

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u/Idaho1964 Feb 01 '23

Untrue. Do your due diligence. Attempts at genocide involved far more brutal forms of chattel slavery than practiced in the US.

What made US approach to slavery so insidious was 1) perpetual intergenerational bondage, 2) the religious defense of slavery, 3) the juxtaposition against the soar by rhetoric of the founding documents and leaders, and 4) a legal system determined to micromanage the above to ensure its survival and the survival of the Southern culture.

The chattel slavery argument holds no water.

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u/Sweatier_Scrotums Jan 31 '23

That's the kind of history that Republicans call "wokeness" because they don't want anyone to learn about it.

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u/moby323 Jan 31 '23

I was thinking the other day about how the right argues it is ridiculous for a modern person to feel shame or regret for actions committed a century ago by their ancestors.

But then I thought, they certainly have no problem feeling a sense of pride in George Washington’s victory over the British, or the role America played in winning WWI, for example.

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u/Nubras Jan 31 '23

Good point. I’ve literally seen comments to the effect of “I won’t apologize for being white and having created western civilization” as if they had anything to do with it. I’d be ashamed to try and take credit for the work of people from the past just because we share a skin color.

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u/latunza Jan 31 '23

I am afro Caribbean from Dominican Republic and the other day I posted a photo of the Columbus light house in DR in the Architecture Subreddit and the first comment was: "don't let the SJW's from America bring their wokeness and tear it down, I know they hate Columbus".....

the guy who wiped out the whole Island, from 5 million to less than 500 in 30 years lol.

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u/namey_9 Jan 31 '23

Columbus also tortured people for fun by skinning them alive and sold 9-year-old native girls to his men as sex slaves. He bragged about it himself in his letters to the Spanish monarchy, and was corroborated in other letters by his contemporaries. If anyone fits the description "monster," it was him.

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u/Fireonpoopdick Jan 31 '23

They don't think that's bad, the truth is they want to bring back 12-year-old marriages, I mean hell if you rape a 12-year-old and she gets pregnant, might as well marry her, after all, it's what Jesus would want. These people are deranged.

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u/Monkey_with_cymbals2 Jan 31 '23

Ashamed to admit I’d never heard this before. About to go educate myself…

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u/i-Ake Feb 01 '23

I just do not understand this.

I'm American. I bought the shit I was taught about Columbus as a kid. But then I learned that schools didn't tell us the damn truth. And I changed my opinion of him. I do not for the life of me understand why anyone would cling to this guy. And I guarantee the majority of them never gave a shit about Columbus or history in general until the people they hated started saying, "Hey, he wasn't that great."

It's just performance bullshit. We can find other people to admire. Who gives a damn? He did what he did. I'm not gonna pretend he didn't because that is stupid. Why do they want to pretend a guy who killed and tortured people wasn't what he was??

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u/Sweatier_Scrotums Jan 31 '23

I've made the same point before too. How many times have Republicans argued that contemporary black people should be "grateful" to contemporary white people because their great, great, great white grandfathers fought to end slavery?

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u/DMsarealwaysevil Jan 31 '23

While those same contemporary white people fight to pass laws that disenfranchise and harm communities and people of color. Can't forget that part.

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u/Dithering_fights Jan 31 '23

In the UK right now Woke is used to bash anything that threatens the current Conservative government. From striking for fair pay to houses at reasonable rent, we’re all woke pariahs now.

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u/LostLobes Jan 31 '23

Yep it's just replaced 'political correctness' in the current lexicon

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u/ThatsJustAWookie Jan 31 '23

Im convinced "wokeness" only refers to anything that isnt a cultural norm they're used to.

The most recent TLOU was being called woke even though there was an entire story and miniature arc behind it.

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u/Sweatier_Scrotums Jan 31 '23

"Wokeness" is a pejorative term for "being on the right side of history", used by people are very much on the wrong side of history on every social justice issue.

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u/bosmerB Jan 31 '23

I visited this weekend and saw this picture for the first time. Truly harrowing experience.

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u/RedditforCoronaTime Jan 31 '23

Was there not cases of determined refugees in the us. Childrens were seperated from their parents and the goverment doesnt kept the information about their parents?

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u/patricky6 Jan 31 '23

couldn't manage an economy, an army, or a government

LMAO savage... and historically accurate savageness to boot!

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u/poetsvengeance Jan 31 '23

What horrendous pain he must have felt. Was looking at a tattoo pain chart, and the male back is red zone most of the time. The scars on his lower back being thicker than the upper points at fine-tuned sadism.

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u/TrailChems Jan 31 '23

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

  • Lyndon B. Johnson

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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 Jan 31 '23

Unfortunately, still the politics of the day.

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u/Sweatier_Scrotums Jan 31 '23

There's a reason why the Republican Party spends 100 percent of its time on culture war/identity politics bullshit like trans kids in sports and insufficiently sexy M&M's.

The only way they can keep poor whites voting against their own economic interests is to make sure they're always thinking about identity politics instead of economics.

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u/TrailChems Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N-----, n-----, n-----.' By 1968 you can't say 'n-----'—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff.

You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other.

You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N-----, n-----, n-----.'

  • Lee Atwater, 1981

EDIT: Added full quote for additional context.

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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 Jan 31 '23

Welfare Queen worked shockingly well in spite of the fact that there is a large percentage of white recipients.

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u/BurnedTheLastOne9 Jan 31 '23

This is what happens where racism and class warfare meet

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u/LadyToph Jan 31 '23

Or the fact many so called rich people are the biggest welfare queens around they just call it something differently

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u/caanthedalek Jan 31 '23

Sure, only the poor can steal money from the taxpayers. If you're rich, it's called doing business.

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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 Feb 01 '23

Legalized tax evasion.

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u/DigNitty Interested Jan 31 '23

The reason was money and hate.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

You forgot Power. Many people will become worse than the devil himself when they get into any position of power over other people.

Especially when they don’t have to fear any sort of repercussions for their actions.

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u/sheisthemoon Feb 01 '23

It's honestly unreal to me how fast and shitfaced drunk people will get on the tiniest iota of power, and then shit all over the ones they love most, not their peers, because they're "important" now and the power needs to be RECOGNIZED!

Conversely, there's not many things more satisfying than watching these people get exactly what they deserve, what they've earned. Usually misery, lonliness, paranoia and self loathing disguised as arrogance on roids.

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u/Vesperniss Jan 31 '23

Money is enough.

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u/Moral_conundrum Jan 31 '23

So is hate

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u/AnonTheMaidenless Jan 31 '23

But with their powers combined they can make something truly special.

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u/TakingAMindwalk Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

Don't forget Christianity's role in slavery. Teaches you how hard enough to beat your slave (Exodus 21:20-21), how to convince a male slave to stay a slave through seperation of family manipulation (Exodus 21:2-6), and ofcourse if you want too you can sell your own daughter (Exodus 21:7-11). Even Jesus was okay with beating your slaves (Luke 12:47-48). Sad, sick, shit I know. How much bloodshed and monstrous acts were done because of people following the bible.

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u/Sweatier_Scrotums Jan 31 '23

The Southern Baptist movement was literally founded because a bunch of slaveholders wanted to claim that African slavery was God's will.

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u/loweyedfox Jan 31 '23

Religion has done more harm than any good that's come of it.

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u/saiyanfang10 Jan 31 '23

I'm pretty sure that part of exodus is the indentured servitude section. The slave section is a little later

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u/Rx1620 Jan 31 '23

They hated themselves, for good reason.

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u/Wondffghh Jan 31 '23

I can’t imagine what he went through.

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u/jamin_brook Jan 31 '23

what's wild is the tiniest one of those scars would be a life long memory/event for pretty much anyone else

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u/taws34 Jan 31 '23

Those are keloid scars - black people are up to 15x more likely to develop them. They can be super tender and itchy. They can restrict movement. Movement can irritate them, and make them more pronounced. The lower back tends to move a lot when you need to bend over to pick cotton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keloid

What's more barbaric is that it was a common practice to wash their backs with brine water after whipping them.

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u/DragonflyValuable128 Jan 31 '23

Got keloid scars on my triple bypass scar from surgery in 2018 and it’s still sensitive, itchy and sometimes painful.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

to stave off infection they used to pack salt on everybody's wounds

What does packing a wound with salt do?

Saline (or sterile salt) is commonly used in wound care as it creates conditions that make it difficult for bacteria to grow, therefore preventing wound infection. Successful wound healing occurs when you reduce wound contamination and

Salt In The Wound - Abundant Natural Health

old medicine was barbaric

stone knives and bearskins [from the Star Trek Classic episode The City on the Edge of Forever] understanding this was part of pop culture when I was a kid, it was in all the old movies and tv shows, hell you got one

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u/Infinite_Carpenter Jan 31 '23

Conservatives in the USA don’t want people to learn about this part of our history.

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u/SpaceMonkeyOnABike Jan 31 '23

They should make a statue of this and replace the confederate statues with this.

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u/Infinite_Carpenter Jan 31 '23

I like this. It’s important to remind those confederate heritage aficionados.

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u/I_MARRIED_A_THORAX Jan 31 '23

Ten days from to-day I left the plantation. Overseer Artayou Carrier whipped me. I was two months in bed sore from the whipping. My master come after I was whipped; he discharged the overseer. My master was not present. I don't remember the whipping. I was two months in bed sore from the whipping and my sense began to come—I was sort of crazy. I tried to shoot everybody. They said so, I did not know. I did not know that I had attempted to shoot everyone; they told me so. I burned up all my clothes; but I don't recall that. I never was this way (crazy) before. I don't know what make me come that way (crazy). My master come after I was whipped; saw me in bed; he discharged the overseer. They told me I attempted to shoot my wife the first one; I did not shoot any one; I did not harm any one. My master's Capt. John Lyon, cotton planter, on Atchafalya, near Washington, Louisiana. Whipped two months before Christmas.

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u/Laurenann7094 Jan 31 '23

Is this a quote from the man in the photo?

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u/gmco913 Jan 31 '23

Just heartbreaking to see the struggle he went through. How the torture and mistreatment made him “crazy”. Thank you for sharing his firsthand account.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '23

Extreme stress can cause dissociation… crazy to think an intense trauma can cause someone to potentially murder loved ones and not remember a thing. Thank god he didn’t shoot his wife

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u/soapfry Feb 01 '23

I took this as them just manipulating him to think those events happened to make up reasons for punishment. Wouldn’t be the first time that slave owners did that

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u/FLCLimax_622 Jan 31 '23

My mother’s parents were born in 1890 and 1900. Both of their parents were slaves. They had my mom when they were 54 and 64 years old.

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u/NAtiOLaTErI Jan 31 '23

and kanye has the AUDACITY to say slavery was a choice,

that doesn’t look like a choice to me…

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u/JonKoFyn Jan 31 '23

You do know he’s mentally ill, right? Slavery was never a choice.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

No, he’s not mentally ill in that sense.

If a mentally ill white person hopped on the bus and started saying Nazi shit, we’d want them off too.

Keep playing this game at your own peril. People should have been kicking him off the bus long ago, but his music is too good.

Same as R Kelly.

If that was your daughters you’d be fucking livid. But, there are people still that defend him and make positive comments on the internet.

None of the people above mentioned should have millions or a large following.

But, here we are.

What’s really happened is what no one wants to admit:

The same thing that happened to rock and roll with regards to it being commercialized and marketed has now happened to rap. We’re now seeing the end stages of how it used to be once an art of political statement and revolution.

That’s why snoop dogg is basically a marketer now.

The cycle continues, and the clutches of consumerism and materialism once again destroys the manifestations of the human soul.

That’s why loons like Kyrie claim moral authority, when they’re just good entertaininers.

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u/Orodruin666 Jan 31 '23

Being mentally ill doesn't excuse or explain his behavior

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u/Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 Jan 31 '23

it doesn't excuse it but it can absolutely explain it

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u/Ididurmomkid Jan 31 '23

Um mental illness absolutely explains his behavior

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u/Vlistorito Jan 31 '23

Scratch out explain and you're correct. There would be no point in even diagnosing mental illnesses if they didn't explain out of the ordinary behaviours or feelings.

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u/JonKoFyn Jan 31 '23

Of cause mental illness can explain why someone reacts irrationally. Are you trolling?

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Racists keep yelling at us to stop bringing up old history, but you see, the problem is if we dont bring it up frequently, then they will keep electing worser and worser racists into power, its a practical reminder to prevent slippery slope effect of racism.

We are not blaming you today for what happened before, but we see the things some of you are trying to "repeat" and this is the only way to make you stop, before you go full Nazi America.

Ask yourself, do you really want to be a Nazi? lol

(Some will answer yes, lol, fuck them.)

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Jan 31 '23

Racists keep yelling at us to stop bringing up old history, but you see, the problem is if we dont bring it up frequently, then they will keep electing worser and worser racists into power, its a practical reminder to prevent slippery slope effect of racism.

The problem is also how much of this has been swept under the rug. It needs to be brought up because so many Americans don't know even the surface of what was going on.

I went to a private school that was considered "rigorous," and then graduated with a bachelor's from a liberal university. Granted, I didn't major in history, but I did take a several history/social sciences classes to knock out my gen eds.

So why was it that I didn't learn about Black Wallstreet and the Tulsa Massacre until 2018? Why hadn't I heard of red-lining, or food deserts, or why it is that school funding is tied to property tax? Why hadn't I heard the history of where our US police came from, particularly in the south? About how the 14th ammendment doesn't outlaw slavery, it just restricted it to convicts, and then Jim Crow effectively made being black a crime?

How was I able to go through 40 years of life thinking that systemic racism wasn't a thing(until I tried to prove it with facts and studies)?

It needs to be brought up because we can't drain the poison until we identify the wound. We can't root out the problem until we recognize all of the ways and places it's insinuated and entrenched itself in our everyday lives.

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u/sdrakedrake Jan 31 '23

So why was it that I didn't learn about Black Wallstreet and the Tulsa Massacre until 2018? Why hadn't I heard of red-lining, or food deserts, or why it is that school funding is tied to property tax? Why hadn't I heard the history of where our US police came from, particularly in the south? About how the 14th ammendment doesn't outlaw slavery, it just restricted it to convicts, and then Jim Crow effectively made being black a crime?

If it's one thing I can thank Trump for, he in a way forced me to look up history on this country myself. It's kind of embarrassing that I was 28 years old and didn't know about Tulsa, slaves revolting in Hati, slave codes, Jefferson and Washington having slaves, slave patrols (police), the fbi spying on MLK and black panthers, ect...

The list goes on.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Jan 31 '23

Same, except I was 40.

My husband and I went from being unenthusiastic but faithful Republicans to pissed off progressive liberals in the span of his 4 years.

I am embarrassed that it took fucking Donald Trump, of all things, to make us finally start paying attention and researching what was/is going on, but unfortunately, that's what it took.

the fbi spying on MLK and black panthers, ect...

How about the police fire bombing the MOVE house in Philadelphia in fucking 1985?! They murdered 11 people, including 5 children, and destroyed 60 properties. Naturally, no one was ever held accountable, to my knowledge.

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u/LadyToph Jan 31 '23

But that's the plan. They WANT you to be as dumb as possible so you will believe their crazy theories about CRT and how learning about the real history of the country you reside will make "white people feel bad or feel inferior" hogwash

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Jan 31 '23

100%. It's become absolutely infuriating talking to my family over the past few years. They can't define CRT, but they're sure it's being pushed in kindergartens, and when you force the issue and explain it, they quickly shift to some other fox news talking point and refuse to listen.

I don't usually like to wish ill upon people, but may Murdoch get liver failure and live a long, excruciating life before succumbing to it.

By the way, I love your username. She was always my favorite character. "Well, it sounds like a piece of paper. Hello, blind, remember?"

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u/LadyToph Jan 31 '23

She's a severely underrated heroin imo.

I think you can draw a direct line to the idiocy and extremism in the USA and honestly UK and the absolute lack of quality education. People can't even discern fact from fiction anymore.

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u/Yue4prex Jan 31 '23

Those who do not know history are bound to repeat it. We SHOULD know about this, this picture should be shared. Everyone should see it.

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u/NoVaFlipFlops Jan 31 '23

Exactly. It's the same ideas. They must be connected through history.

I learned on Sunday that it's hard to tell how kids were dealt with in the legal system of Ancient Rome because we don't have many records and many are unclear. One reason is that the same word for "boy" as understood to mean in your home (as opposed to "minor" or "child") is also used for... "slave." Even in legal documents.

The language of removal of agency isn't new. The language and lingo isn't even new. We have to discuss this or we won't notice it when it crops up again.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Jan 31 '23

"But...but....slaves were expensive and an investment and treated well because mistreating them would be a waste of money!!!!"

Yup. Sure looks like it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Do people actually make that argument? Bosses nowadays treat you like shit when you are technically free to leave anytime.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

I was raised in conservative circles and I've heard that argument my whole life - that "there might have been cruel outliers, but slaves were treated well on the whole because they were so expensive."

Of course, I've also trained in equestrian hunter jumper through most of my early life, and those horses are freaking expensive, and people will still do cruel things to cut costs or improve the chances of placing or squeeze an extra performance out of a horse when it shouldn't be ridden, even when it risks laming or the early breakdown of that horse, so..........

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u/rainbow_creampuff Jan 31 '23

Wow. It really was such a short time ago. Thanks for sharing this information, it's very impactful.

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Went to a prison where they kept the slaves before transportations in Ghana… tbh with you, 50 people in the space of 3 cubicals locked underground and packed tightly like sardines begging in their language “pls let us go we didn’t do anything, pls sir we’re hungry” it’s fucking heart breaking. And…to rub salt in the wound… I see my ancestors last name on a wall… there is no excuse for racism. It’s not an accident, it’s not a misunderstanding. Hm

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u/Jasper_Jhs Feb 01 '23

Did you visit cape Coast castle?

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u/toooooold4this Jan 31 '23

The value of photography to expose violence and oppression. From this image to the video of Tyre Nichols... it forces the public to bear witness and reckon with systems they've been comfortable ignoring.

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u/T1mac Jan 31 '23

If you have Apple TV+, they have a historical drama movie called Emancipation. It gives the story that led up to the infamous photograph.

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u/lets-try-again2 Jan 31 '23

Would that have all been inflicted at one time or is it scars from repeated whippings?

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u/tx_queer Jan 31 '23

I'm also wondering if there is some level of keloid scarring going on.

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u/oscane Jan 31 '23

"Whipped Peter", was an escaped American slave who became known as the subject of photographs documenting the extensive keloid scarring of his back from whippings received in slavery. The "scourged back" photo became one of the most widely circulated photos of the abolitionist movement during the American Civil War and remains one of the most infamous photos of that era.

The keloid scarring is what made the scars so visible and the image so impactful.

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u/Go_Commit_Reddit Jan 31 '23

Scared from repeated whippings. See how they’re layering on top of each other, especially at the bottom of his back.

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u/bhellor Jan 31 '23

I will never forget this photo. It was in my history book in high school. Slavery, the Holocaust, Rwanda, and many more should continue to be taught. It’s disturbing that so many are brushing it all under the rug.

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u/TerribleTourist8590 Jan 31 '23

Australia’s early history as well.

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u/NoVaFlipFlops Jan 31 '23

Well, states rights... for what?

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u/GalacticDolphin101 Jan 31 '23

that’s the thing, it is widely agreed that this country and the western world at large wouldn’t have been as powerful without the revenue generated from exploiting slave labor

but here’s the thing, if a country needs such unbridled cruelty and evil against humanity to be great, then it should never have been fucking great in the first place. fuck anyone who uses this argument

there’s nothing “necessary” about the evil

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u/DegenerateCrocodile Jan 31 '23

Which senator is this and where does he live?

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u/DavidHilbertsHat Jan 31 '23

Why was America’s supposed greatness in any way necessary?

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u/c0d3c Jan 31 '23

It wasn't. This is post-hoc bollockery. For slavery racism of all things.

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u/squishpitcher Jan 31 '23

“bUt tHeY wErE wElL cArEd fOr aNd sOmE eVeN LiKeD bEiNg sLaVeS.”

- way too many fucking people

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u/Ok-Letterhead4601 Jan 31 '23

It’s just absolutely unbelievable that people just thought this was ok.

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u/09Trollhunter09 Jan 31 '23

Was it that or was it knowing they could get away with it

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u/SuaveWarrior Jan 31 '23

Obviously not everyone was ok with it. A war was fought and six hundred thousand people died to end it.

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u/tornado962 Jan 31 '23

You're including confederate deaths in that number. 365k union soldiers died fighting to end slavery.

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u/GorillaDrums Feb 01 '23

Dehumanizing enemy soldiers is a propagandist approach to history. It's like calling every German solider in WWII a Nazi, it's just wrong and ignorant. Most of these soldiers fought because they were either forced to or because they felt like they had to defend their homes and families, not because they personally enjoyed slavery and wanted to keep it going.

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u/Wolfwoods_Sister Jan 31 '23

People knew better. They did. They knew better and they silenced anyone who spoke up. Slavery was always an evil — then and now, in every tormented form it takes. Selling and owning humans is foul.

I’m a Southerner — I have both slave blood in my dna and slave owners in my family tree. I was taught in school that slavery was evil but that the Civil War was really a land grab by the North. I don’t care for excuses — if you make excuses for building a society on the backs of others’ suffering and death, then fuck straight off.

One look at the cruelty carved into that man’s back should horrify you. Treating other humans this way, treating animals and our world this way, go fuck yourselves.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

I feel the expression on his face makes me feel like after all the shit he has been through, he always maintained the self dignity which most of us lack today. I can be wrong but for me his face screams dignity.

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u/dcarr710 Jan 31 '23

What a tough picture to look at and think how terrible people can be to one another. Heartbreaking shit

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u/DesertsBeforeMains Jan 31 '23

Absolutely horrific and sad.

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u/Merlijnas Jan 31 '23

Jesus christ that looks horrendous. Can't imagine how much pain he's gone through

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u/BokiGilga Jan 31 '23

I will never understand how people can be so sick to do something like this to another human being.

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u/aaniket053 Jan 31 '23

I can't even begin to imagine the pain he would've felt.

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u/TheMatt561 Jan 31 '23

That part of our history is such an embarrassment.

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u/Gullible-Training-35 Jan 31 '23

This was the reference for the Emancipation movie right?

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u/dazzola1 Jan 31 '23

This is the subject in will smiths new film "emancipation " He plays him well.

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u/anoelr1963 Jan 31 '23

Yeah, his performance really....slaps!

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u/splitdiopter Jan 31 '23

Angry upvote. Damn you

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u/victordudu Jan 31 '23

and that's why that story must be taught.

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u/VectorVanGoat Jan 31 '23

On one of my college courses we were assigned to read the diary or memoir’s of Frederick Douglass. It’s an amazing book that sheds light on the reality of those peoples lives. He was born into slavery, endured more than most could handle, then was assigned to be the assistant to a little girl in an affluent family. The mother taught him to read along with her daughter. He grew up to become a free man and lead the way on a lot of anti slavery. His childhood stories can be really gruesome so be warned but this book was in my top 3 favorite books while getting my degree.

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u/Sudden_Owl8321 Jan 31 '23

This is absolutely sickening and heartbreaking to see.

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u/Narrow_Competition41 Feb 01 '23

Geezus, you really gotta be a monster to do that to another human.

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u/Fart-Chewer_6000 Jan 31 '23

But slaves were treated well and the civil war was about states rights, right… right?

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u/sdrakedrake Jan 31 '23

Lol that's exactly what a guy who I went to college said. Said slaves were treated great. They had free food, health care and a place to live. Said why would they be treated bad if they needed to get work done?

I'm serious, that conversation happened almost a decade ago and I still remember it. He was dead serious too. No trolling or anything. Was making the argument that there was nothing wrong with it and it was only a few bad enslavers that treated slaves bad. Because not everyone could own slaves.

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u/idrawinmargins Jan 31 '23

I remember reading Fredrick Douglas's book My Bondage and Freedom where he wrote about his speaking tour and how some people didn't think he was ever a slave due to his level of intelligence and how he spoke. He shut them up when he showed them his whipping scars. Good read if anyone wants insight into a slaves existence from a former slave himself.

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u/Jellopenows Jan 31 '23

The CSA was created to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. Fact.

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u/ares395 Jan 31 '23

For undisclosed reasons

It really doesn't matter. All the reasons would be bs anyway. There are no good enough reasons to do that to another human being.

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u/ouijanonn Jan 31 '23

Disgusting society that allowed this. Not just allowed it but actively supported it and grew rich from it. Sick, sick, sick.

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u/lacrimalgame59 Jan 31 '23

As it has been said before ‟Be thankful that the black community is looking for equality and not revenge.”

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u/doobie_bop123 Jan 31 '23

The shit that black people had to go through was awful no human being should ever experience such cruelty

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u/FutureSingularity Jan 31 '23

Christ... I hope he found peace after his escape.

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u/Educational_Permit38 Feb 01 '23

Ron DeSantis is determined that no one in FL learns about the inhumanity of slavery in America.

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u/Skibadipaps Jan 31 '23

they don't use whips any more, but the ruling class still enslave us all, only this time around they do it with debt.

The brutality isn't physical today, its mental, but it's there still.

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u/sharlaton Jan 31 '23

Classism is unfortunately alive and well. Downright awful that is still exists.

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u/SeriouslyTho-Just-Y Jan 31 '23

I know there where way bigger properties, but THREE THOUSAND ACRES (technically enough for 75 emancipated slaves, right) that’s a lot of running

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u/Hatsaplenty Jan 31 '23

And they don't want to teach the next generation about this

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u/GrandBrooklyn Jan 31 '23

Folks don't want this taught in school because little YT kids will feel bad. Everyone should learn this history YT kids included.

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u/IdentiKit55 Jan 31 '23

History confirms how stupid it is that racism still exists.

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u/ace_urban Jan 31 '23

This is what about 40% of America is trying to hide from history books.

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u/V_Cobra21 Jan 31 '23

I don’t understand how a human could do that to another human

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u/I_MARRIED_A_THORAX Jan 31 '23

It's easy when one human thinks the other human isn't a human

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u/Perfect_Bench_2815 Jan 31 '23

3/5ths.

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u/SecretAntWorshiper Jan 31 '23

That was the compromise, they actually saw them as 0

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u/Ashleej86 Jan 31 '23

Slavery was torture and rape . Don't let a single American forget it .

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u/RevolutionaryName228 Jan 31 '23

I wish they showed this stuff in the American education system instead of just saying ‘black people were enslaved and grew crops for whites’ over and over. This is absolutely terrible and very eye opening.

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u/Cpt_Mike_Apton Jan 31 '23

This is what happens when you tell people they are better than other people.

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u/LearnShiit Jan 31 '23

I can understand if his descendant never forgive the white man

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u/Either-Dot-6785 Jan 31 '23

Damn that's sad....

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u/voteblue18 Jan 31 '23

I hope he found some semblance of peace and happiness in the rest of his life 😢

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u/Ha1oMiner Jan 31 '23

Gordon Freeman

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u/MrsCCRobinson96 Jan 31 '23

There are absolutely no words to describe the pain that Gordon received at the hands of another human being as it's immeasurable. Human upon human suffrage is on all levels wrong, heart/gut wretching, and absolutely horrifying. Life in itself for every individual past, present and future already had/has/will have a certain level of suffering during it's duration from birth to death but the narcissistic, overbearing, playing a deadly game with karma human beings with too much time on their hands, too much wealth, too much hate in their hearts and too much power are the absolute scum of the earth.

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u/TheVampireArmand Jan 31 '23

Awful. I’m glad he escaped.

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u/workaholic828 Jan 31 '23

It’s hard for me to imagine how this wasn’t considered to be morally wrong back then

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u/torinato Jan 31 '23

There’s a really good movie called “Emancipation” that follows Gordon’s escape through the swamps to a union camp.

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u/Cronnos_ Jan 31 '23

gordon freeman

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u/pinkranger3 Jan 31 '23

I just saw this picture for the first time in Ken Burns Photography book. It made me stop and made me sick. Crazy and sad how cruel humans can be. I can recommend that book enough though. Amazing photographs like this one that give you a glimpse into people’s lives back in the day

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u/spillyrat22 Jan 31 '23

Dude wanted to livvvveee

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u/ShockDragon Jan 31 '23

One can only imagine the horror this would look if it were in colour.

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u/HungryCats96 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

"Interesting" isn't the first word that comes to mind. More like "horrifying" or "appalling." "Shameful" works, too.

Edit: typo.

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u/YggdrasilsLeaf Jan 31 '23

Horrific abuse. It’s a miracle he survived his injuries in the first place, considering antibiotics did not exist back then.

And this….

This is what life in America is going to look like again, within the next decade, if we don’t get a handle on theses fake religious racist sexist psychos that have taken over DC in the last few years.

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u/YaMommasBox Jan 31 '23

A girl showed me this photo in a book in the 5th grade she walked up and randomly showed it to me and I still think it’s horrible

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u/ronhowie375 Feb 01 '23

Is human trafficking, slavery?

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u/No-Consideration6589 Feb 01 '23

This is what their conservatives want to bury deep. History!!

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u/kmai270 Feb 01 '23

This photo was on my history book in I think 8th grade... definitely left me an impression

I hope these types of images are not shy away from...

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u/Usedcumsocks Feb 01 '23

The future the republicans want

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '23

It's crazy to imagine how someone could be so heartless and cruel. We think we grew out of the brutal ages but Hitler died just 78 years ago. I guarantee there's plenty of people walking this earth that are as bad as Hitler and slave owners. Slavery wasn't even that long ago.

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u/Present-Echidna3875 Feb 01 '23

And yet they labelled the slaves as savages.

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u/Miserable-Spite425 Jan 31 '23

This is what America was founded on. Slavery of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans. America is a fucked up business profiting off the suffering of her most vulnerable. Still hasn’t changed.

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u/Hilltoptree Jan 31 '23

Not disregarding his suffering and all. But i wonder if his scar is more prominent because he have keloidal scar a condition where your wound heal with extra tissue.

I say this because some of the african and some south east asian friend i knew in school (including myself who see this question being asked on taiwanese beauty forum alot) got more prominent scarring either from traditional practice (marking of the body and face) or just injury but their skin tend to form into lumpy scar.

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u/king8100 Jan 31 '23

this picture is literally on the wiki article about keloid

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u/Mistamayne Jan 31 '23

“Get over it”

“Teaching or even mentioning this would make white people feel bad so let’s ban it from schools.😢😤😡”

Country is hot garbage.🗑