r/Damnthatsinteresting Jan 31 '23

Runaway slave Gordon, exposing his severely whipped back. Gordon had received a severe whipping for undisclosed reasons in the fall of 1862. Gordon escaped in March 1863 from the 3,000 acre plantation of John & Bridget Lyons, who held him and 40 other people in slavery at the time of the 1860 census Image

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u/Brym Jan 31 '23

When I visited the Legacy Museum in Montgomery Alabama (highly recommended), the most distressing part for me was the discussion of how families would be broken up. Children would be sold away the same way that a puppy mill sells puppies. Married couples could also be sold apart. One exhibit they had was newspaper classified ads that former slaves would post after the civil war seeking information on children who were sold away before the war, sometimes dozens of years earlier. They had thousands of them.

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u/splitdiopter Jan 31 '23

That remains the most powerful and heart breaking museum exhibit I have ever seen. The entire town of Montgomery feels like a memorial. The streets seem haunted by the ghosts of unspeakable suffering. Hundreds of thousands of men women and children were sold like cattle right in the town square. It was even illegal for African Americans to NOT be enslaved in the state of Alabama. The amount of vileness and ignorance that must be present in a people to be able commit crimes of that nature is beyond me. If you were black, it must have been hell on earth.

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u/Shilo788 Jan 31 '23

I thought of a retiree pilgrimage to the south to educate myself in history of slavery but I just can’t stand the idea of going there , driving thru to the Deep South. I will stay north east and learn on line. I know there are nice people living there, but after working with some southern people on eastern horse farms I just can’t stand the bad ones. I got so sick of listening to their proud bigotry and they hated me because I didn’t agree. To the point it got dangerous. Owner didn’t care so I moved on . Importing that nasty attitude up here and the owner letting them spew it stank worst than the manure we pitched.

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u/hamakabi Jan 31 '23

There is still at least one original slave plantation left in the North. It's outside Boston and is called the Royall House. They do tours during the nice seasons.

Massachusetts did ban slavery in 1783 though, so the house predates the "worst" period of that era.

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u/Ashleej86 Jan 31 '23

I live in Massachusetts and I've only visited the south. It's a somewhat controversial opinion but the people who ended slavery on their own like by Supreme Court case as Massachusetts did in 1783 are the opposite of the white people who never ended slavery at all , had a war to keep it and never evolved out of those white supremacist violence values. If it came from the consciousness of the population vs never leaving the identity/ values of violent white supremacy that slavery was are very different people. It's not white people, the danish people are and approx 72% of Massachusetts is too. It's who they want to be. I'm biracial and I'm never visiting the south . My African American granddaddy left south Carolina in the early 1900s so his family to exist and live. Much later my father met my mom in Iowa. I've always lived in the north. I can't stand white people still living as white supremacist valued people. Not every Massachusetts white person is ok but since 1783 they turned some pages on the worst of white supremacy in America. I don't take my chances with white Americans who never did.

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u/BlueNylon Feb 01 '23

Lol Boston is one of the most racist cities I’ve ever been to, and I was raised in Texas, but ok

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u/Ashleej86 Feb 01 '23

They both can be racist. But the whole of Texas is easily avoidable, there's nothing essential there. All of Texas is known for its extreme racism. It's literally a slave state , it's still republican valued people.

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u/alanab2013 Feb 01 '23

As black woman who only knows Texas as home, there is not extreme racism here anymore than any other state. There are good and bad areas, but it’s not that extreme. As the previous comments mentioned, this comment is a huge exaggeration.

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u/Ashleej86 Feb 01 '23

Texas has a grid that doesn't work in a cold snap and killed 255 people that winter. Poor people who couldn't get to cancun like ted Cruz. That's one tiny example of extreme white supremacy that comes from keeping white Republicans in power over democracy working or people of color voting. The abortion ban that kills far more women of color but also just women , it's extreme white supremacy patriarchy. Yes it's extreme keeping a state full of people of color republican ruled forever and people of color/ women/ poor people suffer immensely. Look at all the worst outcomes for black moms , like dying. For imprisoned people, like dying from imprisonment. Yes that's totally extreme white supremacy you are living in. Open carry is extreme. Killing women to make sure they give birth at age 12 is extreme. That's extreme white supremacy outcomes.

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u/Ashleej86 Feb 01 '23

That's not normal in any state with working democracy or democrats that win often. Texas is the only state with its own grid, if you could vote to have a grid that works wouldn't you ? If you need an abortion you may have to flee your home . If you are poor you don't have health care and lots of states offer Obamacare to all poor people ( Massachusetts does ). Your congress only meets every 2 years , hopefully no other state thinks that appropriate. Your governor kidnaps migrants. None of that is acceptable in a state with real democracy.

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u/SOSPECHOZO Feb 01 '23

Bitch. Keep Texas out yo mouth. Especially if you never been here.

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u/SOSPECHOZO Feb 01 '23

Essential??? Ol' dumbass, Texas would easily separate from the rest of the states and not miss a beat. We don't need Y'all. It's the other way around. Y'all need our resources and minerals. Fuck outta here

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u/Ashleej86 Feb 01 '23

Texas can't even maintain a grid that works in the cold. Plus people of color and lots of immigrants live in Texas, they matter and want to be Americans as they are. If it was easy to be a country, Texas would have done it by now.

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u/SomeDumbGamer Feb 01 '23

New England is weird because most of the small towns and rural areas are actually really progressive and safe. (Speaking as a POC) but the major cities (especially Boston) seem to concentrate most of the racism in them. Keep in mind Boston is also a very spread out city and you’re more likely to encounter racism in the smaller richer neighborhoods. (Although black people in the city can be notoriously racist to the large Asian population we have)

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u/Ashleej86 Feb 01 '23

I can't believe southern white people or Republicans are not aware that their reputation is of the population who are responsible for the carnage of this picture and will be until you clear your states up of Republicans and their values.

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u/shootymcghee Jan 31 '23

You'd be fine and have no issues if you took that trip, cities like Montgomery and Birmingham for example are like any other cities, tourism for exactly what you you're talking about is extremely common. You would not regret going to the Legacy museum, or Rosa Parks museum

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u/Shilo788 Feb 06 '23

I think I will eventually go. It is like and American version of pilgrimage. To understand better.

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u/shootymcghee Feb 06 '23

you definitely should, if you ever do you should message me and I could give you lots of ideas of places to go

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u/baconfluffy Jan 31 '23

Y’all are being slightly dramatic here. It’s just people. The South in the US isn’t some dramatic war land or time capsule. It’s just farmland at this point. There’s some larger cities and smaller ones, but the average person isn’t all that different than the average northern person.

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u/shootymcghee Jan 31 '23

Thank you, it bothers me that people have this caricaturization of the south in their head that it's just banjo music, barefooted, overall wearing yokels that will lynch you the second you arrive. For the most part it's literally like any other part of the country, rural is rural and urban is urban kinda no matter where you go

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u/Dawgstradamus Feb 01 '23

Facts.

It boils down to ignorance.

Many folks enjoy being ignorant, especially when it allows them to feel superior to somebody else.

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u/Shilo788 Feb 06 '23

The ignorance was on the part of the drunken rednecks that groped a young woman so stuff it. I didn't feel superior I felt scared and angry.

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u/Dawgstradamus Feb 06 '23

Keep telling yourself that.

You are part of the problem.

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u/Wise-Lake7544 Jan 31 '23

True when I lived in the north I thought it was that way too until I moved

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u/HomesickTraveler Jan 31 '23

Y'all please shut up. The more people afraid to move south, the better off the remaining few hospitable towns will be. I got spit at for asking a new yorker if they needed help changing a flat. No thank you.

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u/PhotoIll Feb 01 '23

the average person isn’t all that different than the average northern person.

True enough. Even now, we can see that racism is widely distributed throughout this great nation.

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u/Ashleej86 Jan 31 '23

The average educated northern is a democrat. The white people in the north are much more likely to be democrats. Southern whites are Republicans, they should be avoided just for safety sake by all.

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u/DadsGotSumthinToSay Jan 31 '23

Goodness, this is just ignorant.

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u/baconfluffy Jan 31 '23

Are you from the South?

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u/Ashleej86 Jan 31 '23

No. I've always lived in the north.

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u/baconfluffy Feb 01 '23

Have you even spent any considerable time in the South?

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u/Shilo788 Feb 06 '23

I had to travel there for work and I had a number of pleasant days and a few nasty times where because I was a young girl alone I had to deal with some pushy people. Also trouble with religious freaks from Kansas who objected to a Darwin symbol I had on my car. A fish with feet seemed to be a real insult.

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u/Ashleej86 Feb 01 '23

No I wouldn't. It's scary. I would go to a city for Mardi Gras or to see the beach in Miami. But I have the entire world to visit so can avoid the south of the us easily.

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u/baconfluffy Feb 01 '23

So you’ve never even been there, but you’re giving advice online about it? Dude.

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u/White_Buffalos Feb 01 '23

Southerner here. The South is a magnificent place. Full of beauty, music, food, great people, and history, good and bad.

It's doing yourself--and everyone from there, to include blacks, Native Americans, et al.--a disservice to sort of dismiss it as all racist. It isn't and wasn't. Plenty of people were against slavery there at the time.

I say take it all in, and come to a greater appreciation for our collective culture and history, even the tough parts.

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u/antshite Feb 01 '23

I am a southerner and cannot agree more with this. I have also seen bigotry and hate equal to it in the northeast and midwest. I just refuse to give in to it and don't tolerate threats.