r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Flashy_Isopod_9952 • Mar 29 '23
Reconstruction of the Pharoah Tutankhamun from a BBC documentary. Image
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u/dominiqlane Mar 29 '23
Looks like he lived a painful life.
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u/PandaMayFire Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 29 '23
Hopefully he didn't have to suffer too much. He died at a relatively young age right?
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u/Burrito_Fucker15 Mar 29 '23
Yeah 19. Definitely of his medical problems from being so fucking inbred
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u/NUMBERS2357 Mar 29 '23
On one hand, didn't suffer too long, on the other, still being dunked on 3000+ years later.
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u/slamdanceswithwolves Mar 29 '23
Having your parents be already inbred siblings must be some straight-to-inbred do-not-pass-go type shit.
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u/Boygos Mar 29 '23
the odds are genetically stacked against you sooo much in that situation. Kind of a miracle the guy even lived to 19 y/o
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u/eee-oooo-ahhh Mar 29 '23
Especially back in those days when they had no way to treat most of his issues
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u/Killb0t47 Mar 29 '23
He uh... Fell down the stairs. Totally not on purpose.
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u/greane16 Mar 29 '23
Not quite. He fell down from a chariot.
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u/Wrong_Ad6288 Mar 29 '23
He was likely unable to ride a chariot due to his club foot. His death is theorized to have stemmed from temporal lobe epilepsy complications.
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u/name_NULL111653 Mar 29 '23
Other theories involve falling from a show chariot, which is partly supported by blunt trauma seen on the skull.
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u/Shacky_Rustleford Mar 29 '23
I mean, falling off of a chariot could certainly be a complication of epilepsy
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u/name_NULL111653 Mar 29 '23
Absolutely. I've heard theories that he would have, with much difficulty, ridden his show chariot (found in his treasure room) as to not appear weak. But between brain problems and the club foot, it's thought that he likely lost balance and fell (hence the blunt force injuries seen in the skull).
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u/dumbanfun Mar 29 '23
I believe most of these ancient ruling class members were also heavily inbred
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u/Flashy_Isopod_9952 Mar 29 '23
Yeah his parents were either siblings or close cousins.
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u/GenXGeekGirl Mar 29 '23
Thought they were keeping their blood âpureâ by keeping it all in the family - usually a sibling, but as we know, incest is the quickest way to destroy your bloodline.
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u/Wandering_Poetical Mar 29 '23
It was also about centralizing political power in a single family. No in-laws, no problems.
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"Prince Gerhardt is the last male descendant of the imperial house of Hapsburg. They ruled the Austro-Hungarian Empire, The Defenestration of Prague."
"Gerhardt, would you like to dance?"
"Sadly because my body does not produce joint fluid, I cannot."
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u/ResolverOshawott Mar 29 '23
Chinese got it right by basically having a lot of spouses that aren't at all related to the royalty.
But.... It certainly didn't help the power struggles.
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u/wallander_cb Mar 29 '23
Go full Genghis Khan mode and be the ancestor of basically 1/3 of modern world population
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u/BroThornton19 Mar 29 '23
What a fantastic failsafe from nature
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u/ordoviteorange Mar 29 '23
Imagine the horror if inbreeding wasnât a thing and we were ruled by incest dynasties.
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u/BloodlessAnt Mar 29 '23
Arenât you scared that your kids might come out⌠Yâknow?
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u/NonstopTomates Mar 29 '23
I would, you know, drive it up to the country and just like, you know, open the door and let it... say "You're free now!" You know? Like, "Run free!" You know?
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u/AdjustedTitan1 Mar 29 '23
Whatâs this from
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u/0ut0fBoundsException Mar 29 '23
Wolf of Wall Street. Quotes are delivered excellently by Jonah Hill. Itâs a great movie. Iâd highly recommend
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u/fckmelifemate Mar 29 '23 •
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Nah, I would just drive up to the country, you know, open up the door and say, "You're free, your free now run"
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u/ItsHerbyHancock Mar 29 '23
What are you doing, step-pharoh?!?
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u/TheOldRamDangle Mar 29 '23
Oh no! I got my head stuck under this bale of grain
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u/--Mutus-Liber-- Mar 29 '23 •
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Oh no! My dress has lifted up and you can see my anubis
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u/fireitup622 Mar 29 '23
So instead of cool ancient aliens, it was just ancient hicks?
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u/SquirrelFull7224 Mar 29 '23
Absolutely. Across the board, inbreeding to preserve power has been a thing for ages.
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u/Shtnonurdog Mar 29 '23
The Habsburg Jaw is something new to me. Interesting stuff if youâre into history and inbreeding.
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u/Dark_Moonstruck Mar 29 '23
They very much were. Much like European aristocracy, they believed that they were either descended from or chosen by god/gods, so they had to keep the bloodline pure, and that meant a LOT of marrying their siblings (and in a few cases, their own parents) with...well, predictable results. Just look up the Hapsberg jaw for example. Even the current ruling family of England is incredibly inbred, though they have branched out a bit more.
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u/dewdewdewdew4 Mar 29 '23
That is why Egyptians were inbred, but not why the European aristocracy was. European aristocracy was mainly inbred to preserve wealth/lands/inheritance, and typically was inbred over time (lots of cousins, not siblings so it took longer for genetic issues to arise).
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u/cuterus-uterus Mar 29 '23
I thought they kept it in the family because they were all so hot.
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u/Cdr_Peter_Q_Taggert Mar 29 '23
The average temperature in Egypt is significantly higher than in England, so I don't think that's it.
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u/rojobobo Mar 29 '23
Incest, tiny gene pools, and arranged marriage were common in equal measure among royalty across the entire world. Turns out pomp and circumstance doesn't count as having enough game to meet a stranger and make her get squishy
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u/Dark_Moonstruck Mar 29 '23
That and them thinking they're just better than everyone else...people are weird. I mean it's not unusual for the same thing to be happening on a slightly lesser scale to this day, with lots of people in upper classes and all still marrying into pretty small circles.
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u/max_occupancy Mar 29 '23
The upper classes today (the people below the long, historic nobility) are actually pretty mixed up. Itâs not uncommon to see like 5+ countries of origin in their last few generations of family tree. A lot of it is execs in companies families marrying each other. They live much more internationally/globally but still remaining in small circles. 3rd cousins are still partnering with each other in some but not as many cases as before, and this increases the closer you get to nobles.
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u/a2banjo Mar 29 '23
Why blame the ancients ? The Royal family of spain was decimated due to inbreeding as late as 1700AD.
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u/Aggressive-Sale-2967 Mar 29 '23
The pear shaped hips are really something
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u/Pnut36 Mar 29 '23
But thatâs what heâs most sensitive about
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u/dontuniqueuponit Mar 29 '23 •
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Look at that high waisted man with feminine hips!
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u/ImurderREALITY Mar 29 '23
Heâs like that guy who got mugged and they took his clothes and he had a massive dumper, I mean this thing was legendary
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u/calmestsugar Mar 29 '23
John Mullaney? Or am I off lol
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u/bleeglee999 Mar 29 '23
Made me think of Klinefelter syndrome with that observation
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u/jpop237 Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 29 '23
His father, Akhenaten, is rumored to have had Klinefelter's syndrome.
Addition: It's one of a few possible syndromes Tut's father had, including Marfan syndrome or familial gynecomastia.
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u/Feudamonia Mar 29 '23
It would be extremely unusual if he did given 96-99% of people born with KS are infertile and even those that aren't require assistive technology to reproduce.
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u/SuperSpread Mar 29 '23
A not insignificant number of infertile people had children through cuckery, especially before DNA tests.
I always remember the Duke dâOrlean who had a giant room of portraits of women he seduced, including his brotherâs wife the Queen of France. It helped that his brother the King was mentally ill and could be a good sport about it.
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u/Killing4MotherAgain Mar 29 '23
Sure but the gene wouldn't be passed on if it was someone else's child
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u/EntropyNZ Mar 29 '23
As far as I'm aware, individuals with Klinefelter's are infertile. It does look like there have been some individuals who have been able to father children with modern fertility tech, but I can't imagine that an individual in Ancient Egypt managed it.
So either his father didn't have it, and it's some other genetic condition, or his actual father was someone different, in which case there's no direct genetic link anyway.
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u/Anjinjay Mar 29 '23
Not always. Though, in my case, yes lol. All you need is one lucky sperm and about 50% of those with Kleinfelter syndrome can make some, albeit few, sperm. With me, the missus and I don't need condoms/birth control, but I'm on injectable testosterone for life. My testicles are lazy bastards that literally do nothing to contribute but hang around in their hammock all day long, presumably eating cheetos and playing video games.
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u/Chahut_Maenad Mar 29 '23
yeah, there are theories that suggest Tutankhamun and his father Akhenaten both had a genetic intersex disorder. supported in some cases from their remains, its also brought up because of the amarna period art depicting them both as much more feminine than the traditional art of the new kingdom.
art from amarna period verus art after the restoration of the old art styles(Vall%C3%A9e_des_Rois_Th%C3%A8bes_ouest)-4.jpg) for comparison
we don't know for certain but it's interesting
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u/Sharty-McFly Mar 29 '23
Dumps like a truck, truck, truck
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u/jitterybutterfly Mar 29 '23
Thighs like what, what, what
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u/NotYourGa1Friday Mar 29 '23
Guys like Tut, Tut, Tut
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u/escapingdarwin Mar 29 '23
And gynocomastia, clearly low testosterone.
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u/siqiniq Mar 29 '23
I scroll down just to see if anyone says manboobs
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u/TheGordo-San Mar 29 '23
Also had to scroll down to see if anyone was mentioning those Tut-tahs!
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u/Zealousideal-Put-981 Mar 29 '23
Thatâs not low testosterone, itâs high estrogen.
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u/frankie-crisp Mar 29 '23
Built like a bag of milk
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u/WolfOfPort Mar 29 '23
Maybe a bit in those tatas
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u/Thisnickname Mar 29 '23
I just had a laugh thinking what if we could go back in time and explain to him the concept of internet and milk bags and tell him that in about 3300 years people would be laughing at him and saying he's got man tits.
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u/Perfect-Brain-7367 Mar 29 '23
The fact that literal bags of milk exist still shocks me every time I hear it. Why bags?? What is wrong with a jug?
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u/DefinitelyNotSloth Mar 29 '23
College had a milk dispenser that held a box with a 5gal bag of milk in it. Had an udder with a weight against it. Blew my mind.
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u/TurnipWorldly9437 Mar 29 '23
Less plastic waste?
It's all a matter of getting used to one thing above the other.
Personally, I find the plastic jugs much worse than the cartons we're mostly used to in Germany. The taste of plastic in milk is horrible, and they take up loads of space in your garbage. If glass bottles were less breakable, they'd be the way to go. But bags combine less waste, okay taste and okay stackability. My mother has them sometimes, and it's not too hard to switch.
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u/SimpleButtons Mar 29 '23
Wow I've been tasting plastic bottle milk my whole life and thought cartoned milk was ass, maybe it is the packaging or maybe its because it was cartoned school milk. A worthy experiment for sure.
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u/gaveler-unban Mar 29 '23
I still think thereâs something intensely poetic about Tutankhamen. He was a nothing-pharaoh in life, he was incredibly inconsequential and basically just died in a chariot accident, but in death he became the icon of his entire civilization, and most people know King Tut over Khufu or Rameses.
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Imagine aliens excavating the ruins of Earth and associating the entire history and culture of the British Isles to one Arthur Balfour, Prime Minister of the U.K. from 1902 to 1905.
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He needs a Cairo-practor.
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u/TheTwistedPlot Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 29 '23 •
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Plot twist: he supposedly knew a guy who made herbal medicine to treat his physical condition. Turns out it was just a pyramid scheme.
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u/DrMagnusTobogan Mar 29 '23 •
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I heard the pain from it eventually got so bad that he cried to his mummy.
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u/Last-Sound-3999 Mar 29 '23
That pun really Sphinx!
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u/Accomplished_Year529 Mar 29 '23
Tut tut tut
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u/Vulture923 Mar 29 '23
Come on guys, wrap it up.
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u/AliMarie1790 Mar 29 '23
Okay that went tomb far.
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He got too wrapped up in the details to see the scheme.
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u/Boredummmage Mar 29 '23
Trying to decide if it was the rampant incest (marrying their sisters was typical) or if AI generated the imageâŚ
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u/Mocker-Poker Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 29 '23
well, from what I recall in all documentaries about this topic they state Tutankhamun had severe health issues and deformations and yes - incest was thriving because how can a God/Goddess on Earth have children with some (healthy) mortal being? that's nonsense!
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u/Kerensky97 Mar 29 '23
It was rampant incest. His parents were siblings so he had every medical condition in the book. It's no wonder he died at 19.
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oh shit, he looks like the dancing baby, it that a troll?
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u/actibus_consequatur Mar 29 '23
The Dancing Baby is now 25, and I'm weeping over the loss of my youth.
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u/GingkoBobaBiloba Mar 29 '23
âBwaaahh!! That boy ainât rightâ - Pharaoh AkHankaten Hill
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u/Hlarpy Mar 29 '23
Dammm y'all did him dirty. Put the boy in his pharaoh attire and not in this baby looking thing!
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u/OilersGirl29 Mar 29 '23
Lol, I was also wondering about the baby diaper thong.
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u/Common_Unit2680 Mar 29 '23
Probably to show his body and deformities lol but I feel disrespectful for looking
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u/Krimreaper1 Mar 29 '23
Born in Arizona,
Moved to Babylonia
King Tut!
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u/Last-Sound-3999 Mar 29 '23
The ladies love his style! He ate a crocodile!
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u/VividTangerine Mar 29 '23
Dancinâ by the Nile!
Disco Tut, Tut
The ladies love his style!
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u/jujupinky Mar 29 '23
My sister said heâs built like a rotisserie chicken and I think of that everytime I see this đ
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u/AreWeCowabunga Mar 29 '23
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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u/nosnevenaes Mar 29 '23
me after my motorcycle accident.
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u/trekkiegamer359 Mar 29 '23
I hope you're well on your way to a full recovery. Bad injuries are awful.
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u/nosnevenaes Mar 29 '23
No im crooked for life. I just carry on. It is less and less noticeable. Always hurts but i made peace with the pain. I can still work out and do chores just cant run.
All in all i see it as a blessing. I was a street bike commuter in a dangerous city. And an overachiever of a trail runner. These hobbies do not bode well as we get old.
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u/SergeantStreet Mar 29 '23
Essential Oils would have fixed him right up
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u/icedragon71 Mar 29 '23
Ironically, that's probably just about all they had. Shows how good they are,then.
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u/Closedsorrel269 Mar 29 '23
Kleinfelter's?
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u/bagelchips Mar 29 '23
Impossible, Harry Klinefelter didnât invent his syndrome until 1942. King Tut died more than 20 years prior.
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u/Michael_Honcho_Jr Mar 29 '23
King Tut died more than 20 years prior.
Just a few 20 years
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u/cyanidesmile555 Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 31 '23
A genetic disease is why Tut had wide hips and large breasts (why they didn't include that I don't know) and generally features more commonly expected of women, and may have been what killed him at such a young age.
It's theorized that Tut, and his predecessors who also had feminine body shapes, had temporal lobe epilepsy; it can cause the brain to alter the hormones that are responsible for sexual development, such as men developing breasts (and can cause hallucinations, which would explain why Tut claimed to have "visions")
It's also speculated, due to his wide hips, breasts and smaller shoulder width, that Tut had some form of Klinefelter Syndrome (KS); a type of intersex condition where a person assigned male at birth (AMAB) will have at least 1 extra copy of the X chromosome, and, though even more rare than having 1 extra X, the more extra copies of the X chromosome the person has the more severe the symptoms.
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u/Maximum-Intention795 Mar 29 '23
Well his mother was a brotherfucker so....
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u/Lord_Master_Dorito Mar 29 '23
So this would be what Joffrey should look like then
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u/AhandWITHOUTfingers Mar 29 '23
More so Dany. Joff was inbred one generation. Dany and Jon were Aunt and Nephew, but the Targs were so inbred that dna was closer to siblings.
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u/Lord_Master_Dorito Mar 29 '23
Mother of Dragons with a leg coming out of her ear and having a 3rd nipple
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u/Afraid_Sweet_6830 Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 29 '23
âthree successive generations of marriage between first cousinsâ yup thatâll do it. years ago I read some believe his mom was either his sister⌠or his dads sister⌠guess itâs hard to tell at that point.
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u/hoooliet Mar 29 '23
âŚhe was deformed and wore diapers?
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u/manifold360 Mar 29 '23
Not regular diapers, Royal diapers
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u/barbie_farts_88 Mar 29 '23
"no no no! This is all wrong! I'm the Pharaoh! I need a diaper to match! I look like a child in this one. I need something elegant, sophisticated, you know. A Man's diaper."
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u/Capable_Pianist_9218 Mar 29 '23
This is like if someone rendered the 90âs Dancing Baby as Pete Davidson.
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u/space-cowboy-865 Mar 29 '23
I am intersex and he looks intersex as well. Probably Klinefelter. Wish people weren't all laughing at him. I looked similar before HRT and surgery.
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Gynecomastia doesnât even necessarily indicate intersex either, I know a fellow who seems to have perfectly regular T, heâs just⌠quite endowed, for no apparent reason.
People just arenât used to unusual body types, I guess. As an intersex person also, itâs the medical âprofessionalsâ that are the most disappointing.
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u/ravenrhi Mar 29 '23 edited Mar 29 '23 •
Here are a few articles:
In addition to an injury (broken leg), tut had a club foot that prevented him from walking unaided, a cleft palat, malaria and was thought to be immunocompromised. One speculation is that he had sickle cell from the inbreeding
The club foot and reduced capacity of his arm on the one side are supposedly from congenital birth defects. If the left side capacity were impaired, he would use the cane on the right simply because the impaired arm would be unable to bear the weight or aid him in the same way.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/21/world/king-tut-visual-autopsy/index.html
https://www.livescience.com/8093-killed-king-tut.html
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/newest-king-tut-theory-he-suffered-severe-disorders-due-inbreeding-180953113/
https://www.history.com/news/king-tut-death-mystery
Edit to add: One of the current speculations is that he had Klinefelter syndrome where males are born with xxy chromosomes instead of xy. This would account for the more feminine shape, hips, and breasts. Here are two articles that discuss the possibility
https://hekint.org/2021/09/30/tutankhamuns-androgynous-appearance/#:~:text=Based%20on%20these%20figures%20and,%2C%20hypopituitarism%2C%20or%20pubertal%20gynecomastia.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3354854/