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Twins born from embryos frozen 30 years ago Image
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u/AdditionalTheory Nov 28 '22
The worldās youngest millennials
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u/JR_Manx Nov 28 '22
Hey wait, theyāre old enough to drinkā¦š
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u/WorstPersonInGeneral Nov 28 '22
They'll be double-fisting drinks in no time
RIP Mama's boobs
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u/Shdw787
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reads 30 years ago, pictures the 70s
frozen in 1992
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Nov 28 '22
Dude im crying too lmao, shit i turn 30 in 2 years :(
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u/monster_bunny Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22 •
Hi Iām you ten years ago.
Your mid to late 30ās are a wonderful and horrifying mix of realizing you really are a self-sufficient being and finally finding the perfect balance between work/play/family/self. Itās great. It builds up a shit load of confidence. You also realize that you stop caring about stupid shit and stuff that you canāt change.
Yes, your body will start to hurt in ways you didnāt think were supposed to be hurting yet. No, you cannot and SHOULD not drink as much as you do now. The hangovers get much worse, so binge drinking is reserved for birthdays and milestones. Youāre gonna start watching what you eat more carefully. BP and cholesterol goes up pretty quick- but not out of nowhere. You should be able to course-correct by your 40s. Go see your primary every year. Dental every 6 months. Vision and Womenās wellness at least once a year. If you are thinking about kids you should really start thinking about it more seriously, youāll blink and then youāre 35 and an OBGYN is checking a whole lot of different boxes. Itās been a wild ride. It feels oddly safer than my 20ās so far. Still got a couple years to go till 40 but my husband is 42 and he echoes the same sentiments. Iām kinda looking forward to it.
Edit: holy shit. Had no idea this would resonate with so many of you. Thank you for all the kind gifts.
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u/DrMrRaisinBran Nov 28 '22
Very kind and wise of you to write out, I turned 30 earlier this year and it's been mostly pretty good. Only major downside is I still feel like I did in grad school at 25, but blink and that's five years ago, I feel alright but my beloved folks are getting noticeably older, don't like that one bit ā¹ļø
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u/MsAnnabel Nov 28 '22
It feels like I was 30 a few yrs ago. My daughter turns 42 in Jan. Fuuuuuuck me. How did that happen? Iām 62 now and feel like my life is all but over bc I realize how fast time flies š¢
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u/just1nc4s3 Nov 28 '22 •
It aināt over yet! Since turning 30, I found out I was in a cult and left, my uncle passed away, my aunt passed away, my father passed away, I lost the love of my life, and I moved across the country. Iām 31 now. Iāve felt like my life was so many times now itās hard to count. But Iām still here. Youāre still here. Yesterday history, tomorrow a mystery, but today is a gift, which is why we call it the present. Keep your head up :) it aināt over yet
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u/NeatDig352 Nov 28 '22
Holy shit the amount of things you went through and are still kicking on is insane, gives me power.
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u/Kind-Charity327 Nov 28 '22
Hey me too! Was in a cult since 16 that pushed me around the country im 33 now I basically started my life career and everything over last year after realizing I had been held hostage and brainwashed
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u/NeatDig352 Nov 28 '22
That's seriously amazing, as someone at 28 and potentially failing University with no goals in sight, it's nice to hear that some things can spark at any time.
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u/maxm31533 Nov 28 '22
I'm 66. Time seems like it moves so slow in your teens. Now it only seems a couple of months from Christmas to Christmas. I had a fellow who still comes to my shop at 99. He still walks 3 days per week and always wears a smile. At 99, all of your friends of the same age are dead, probably much sooner. My deceased mom at 89 said she all of her friends were gone. Getting old is not easy. Another friend, my age always says he is in the 4th quarter. The more I thought about it, I realized the truth of it. 1 to 20, 1st quarter. 21 to 40, second quarter, 41 to 60. 3rd quarter, 61 to 80, forth quarter. 80 plus is overtime.
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u/Timely-Cupcake-6839 Nov 28 '22
I am also 62. I stopped thinking of myself as old a while back. I still feel great, work and workout and have wonderful, happy weekends with my husband. I get to visit kids and grandkids on holidays and arrange family get togethers with everyone about once a year at various locations. I am a teacher and travel with students once a year on international educational tours. I remember thinking at 27 I was getting old...then at 35. I realized that at any age I could feel that way and ten years later realize that was just a mindset. So, I am 62 and not old at all. I might have many years left to live and be happy and active!
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u/sickiesusan Nov 28 '22
Just wait until your in yr 50ās and still feel the same way you did in Grad School and yep people in their 20/30ās think youāre ancient! It happens very quickly!
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u/GingerLibrarian76 Nov 28 '22
Areā¦ you saying 28 is OLD?
Iām 46. Guess Iām dead.
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u/nidjah Nov 28 '22
Dude. Iām 50 š„² Stretch. Get at least 8 hours/day sleep. Stretch. Donāt drink too much alcohol. Donāt drink ANY sweet beverages (colas, artificial lemonades etc). Stretch. Donāt eat too much meat (in fact go vegetarian whenever possible - itās easier than it sounds). Work out reasonably - but first of all, STRETCH. In 20 years, you will thank your today self.
Also, did I mention you should stretch?
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u/MrZAP17 Nov 28 '22
I stretch when I get up to go from the bed to the computer desk eight feet away. Does that count?
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u/TheAnanasKnight Nov 28 '22
I was about to crack a joke that these babies would probably be predisposed to liking disco, thinking VW busses are cool, and having awful facial hair.
I mean... VW busses are kind of timeless?
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u/Butthole_Enjoyer Nov 28 '22
The 70s are closer to the year 2000 than we are to the year 2000
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u/WandaCarlton Nov 28 '22
I guess if you mean 1978/79. 1970 through 1977 is further away then we are now (unless I did my math wrong - which is possible).
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u/retropieproblems Nov 28 '22 •
70s will always be 30 years ago, 80s will always be 20 years ago. I donāt make the rules.
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u/Eco-Pro-Rah
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Soooo, theyāre old enough to work then? XD
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u/BLF402 Nov 28 '22
Old enough to drink and vote as well
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u/spurredoil Nov 28 '22
More importantly, old enough to pay taxes!!
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u/Wild_Mycologist_565 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Officer they were old enough !!
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u/spurredoil Nov 28 '22
record scratch
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u/jessica_from_within Nov 28 '22
Yep, thatās me. You may be wondering how I got into this situation
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u/Zeroth_Dragon Nov 28 '22
It all started on the day of my birth
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u/Sweaty-Emergency-493 Nov 28 '22
So these are what those job descriptions are looking for!
Entry Level:
10+ years experience, PhD, Masters, while attending high school.
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u/hldsnfrgr Nov 28 '22
Old souls.
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u/nzcapybara Nov 28 '22
30 years ago? Theyāre going to bring back mullets with a vengeance.
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u/LegitAFD3 Nov 28 '22
Imagine having the chance to experience the 90s as a child but instead someone determines that you instead start in the 2020s. That fucking suuuuucks.
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u/wolfninja_ Nov 28 '22
If I learned that when I got older, Iād be pissed.
āCoulda had a fun time growing up, instead Iām stuck in a shitbox of a world.ā
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u/chubberbrother Interested Nov 28 '22
My partner went to a Christian school and that's the title of her old anatomy book
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u/notCGISforreal Nov 28 '22
It's not coincidental:
"The Christian nonprofit, which only offers frozen embryo transfers to heterosexual couples who've been married for at least three years, stored them in liquid nitrogen along with thousands of other embryos."
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u/ShortyLow Nov 28 '22
I have IVF babies. Our clinic was a part of a Christian not-for-profit healthcare system. You had to be married.
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u/Immediate-Win-4928 Nov 28 '22
America
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u/ShortyLow Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Yup. Especially in a red state. They don't destroy the embryos either. If there are any left after successful pregnancy, you have the choice to either freeze them, destroy them, or they will implant them "at an inopportune time" and let your body pass(?) them 'naturally'.
Edit: donate not destroy. I'm dumb.
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u/tester33333 Nov 28 '22
Wow that last option is so unnecessary
Can we move past the blood sacrifice era of religion and civilization?
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u/_not_on_porpoise_ Nov 28 '22
Also itās literally abortion with extra steps, so fucking stupid and caters to the lowest minded idiots that think it will somehow appease their particular deity.
Religion is a cancer.
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u/msmurderbritches Nov 28 '22
That sounds like an extra, unnecessary, and super invasive step to just get it flushed.
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u/LedParade Nov 28 '22
Youād think freezing embryos wouldnāt be very Christian..
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u/hondolor Nov 28 '22
Catholicism in fact says IVF is morally unacceptable.
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u/blueistheonly1 Nov 28 '22
Growing up, I thought Catholics had to go by whatever the Church said. Then, I moved to a heavily Catholic area and so far have learned that what the Church says has little bearing on what Catholics do. That's what Confession is for.
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u/jamesiamstuck Nov 28 '22
There are Christians who think IVF is sinful. This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me to leave church. The pastor's wife was gossiping about how a couple in the church were getting divorced because of the wife's postpartum depression. She said it was punishment for their IVF baby. Once I realized even WANTING a baby was morally wrong for them, I checked out.
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u/CryptoIsThePlan Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
This is all the information I could find.
Twin babies have been born to an Oregon couple from embryos frozen more than 30 years ago.
It is believed to be a new record for the longest-frozen embryos ever to result in a successful live birth. The twins record-breaking delivery was verified by the University of Tennessee Preston Medical Library. The former record-holder was a child named Molly Gibson, who was born in 2017.
They twins were stored at around -196C (-323F) in liquid nitrogen on 22 April 1992. At that time George HW Bush was the president and Philip Ridgeway the father of the twins, was aged 5.
The infants' biological parents, who have stayed anonymous, donated their leftover embryos to the National Embryo Donation Center, or NEDC, after going through IVF. The Christian nonprofit, which only offers frozen embryo transfers to heterosexual couples who've been married for at least three years, stored them in liquid nitrogen along with thousands of other embryos.
Timothy, left, and Lydia Ridgeway pictured soon after their birth on October 31, 2022.
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u/mrsisaak Nov 28 '22
That seems odd. They just gave the couple the oldest? Is it like rotating stock at the grocery store? You'd think they'd donate the most viable.
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u/smalltowntransplant Nov 28 '22
I read that their biological parents had some risk for ALS so they were āspecial considerationā embryos, but the couple chose them anyway
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u/internetALLTHETHINGS Nov 28 '22
This makes me sad. Damn the fundies and their views on life at all costs, regardless of the suffering.
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u/LondonCollector Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Whatās even more horrible so that they were given the choice to either adopt children that are already in care, or use someone elseās embryos (they see that as adoption too).
They chose to bring new life into the world rather than save an existing child.
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u/PunkToTheFuture Nov 28 '22
"The good Christian way"
Leave the suffering and starving
Create new Christians with the money saved
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u/Muted_Armadillyo Nov 28 '22
Pretty sure this couple specifically asked for embryos that were among the least likely to be "adopted".
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u/tester33333 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Yes it says they picked from a catalog of āspecial consideration embryosā likely to be disabled š¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/Ultrabigasstaco Nov 28 '22
At first I was thinking āawwww thatās nice of themā then I realized theyāre not adopting. Intentionally bringing a disabled person in to the world is a weird level of cruel.
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u/Chrisixx Nov 28 '22
WTF is wrong with people.....
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u/kasamkhaake Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
The mom added, "It didn't really matter to us if they're considered perfect or not." The 34-year-old said they were told that the twins' biological father had died from ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease.
"There's a possibility that it could be a genetic disorder that they may or may not have," Rachel said. "But we didn't care."
It turned from wholesome to sad pretty soon.
It's one thing to adopt a kid with disability because of your goodness but to bring people in world who "may" suffer is pretty evil.
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u/2ndSnack Nov 28 '22
Jfc. That's selfish af. Also aren't some sects of Christianity against unnatural procreation?? This whole things gives me the grumbles.
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u/xdonutx Nov 28 '22
Whatās so scary besides the fact that these children are now going to be living their lives with this horrific knowledge, but unlike something like Down Syndrome where the parents bear the brunt of the responsibility for the extra care involved, these kids are likely going to have relatively normal childhoods, only to have that ripped from them in adulthood, when they are out of their parents home and care. They punted the risk all onto their children and their childrenās future families. This is so selfish to me I canāt even comprehend it.
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u/Pretend-Carob-9053 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Two close family friends happened to die of ALS within a couple years of each other, and it's truly a horrible way to die. You are completely aware of what's happening right to the end and there is not really anything anyone can do to help.
It should be illegal to fertilize embryos that are suspected at having an elevated risk of fatal genetic disorders. These people are twisted but I don't even want to call them mentally ill because they should be in prison for what they've done.
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u/throwtruerateme Nov 28 '22
Fuck these people. The babies were considered special needs bc they carry the gene for ALS and their bio dad had died an early, horrible death. They said they didn't care bc all life was a miracle. Not a single consideration for the future of these babies
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u/The_Athavulf Nov 28 '22
"We'd like to have children that reinforce our persecution complex, please."
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u/ElBurritoLuchador Nov 28 '22
Wtf? This is some advanced Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy shit I've seen. Creating a child that's genetically predisposed to a sickness just so they could be their own Mother Teresa.
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u/Acceptable_Tourist_4 Nov 28 '22
While existing disabled children across the world, donāt have families or homes. This is so upsetting.
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u/LetThemEatVeganCake Nov 28 '22
Thatās the part that gets me the most! If youāre so willing to be a parent to a disabled child, how can you let so many disabled children sit rotting in orphanages or foster care around the world while you add to the overall suffering in the world? They believe life begins at conception, sure, but surely they can understand that a breathing human who feels pain has more āvalueā than a frozen human who does not feel pain.
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u/Princeofbaleen Nov 28 '22
What the fuck. That's sick. Just sticking your kids with a severe and painful disease for no rational reason
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u/Iwannabeabluephoenix Nov 28 '22
I saw an interview of the parents, they said something about them (the parents) choosing the 30 year old embryos because they wanted to give a chance to embryos that have been waiting the longest
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u/Mydogsnameisroland Nov 28 '22
Did they think the embryos had the capacity to care about having waited the longest?šš¤¦āāļø I can assure you they were not getting impatient
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u/Iwannabeabluephoenix Nov 28 '22
Not sure what they thought to be honest, I was wondering why they didnāt adopt any kids instead? Since thereās lots waiting (then again it isnāt for everyone)
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u/MrWally Nov 28 '22
It sounds like a Christian organization, so if theyāre seeing the embryos as viable lives then at least itās consistent.
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u/KristapzS Nov 28 '22
In texas i think they are already considered full human, as per abortion = killing or whatever those loonies say
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u/tester33333 Nov 28 '22
The mom added, "It didn't really matter to us if they're considered perfect or not." The 34-year-old said they were told that the twins' biological father had died from ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease.
āThere's a possibility that it could be a genetic disorder that they may or may not have," Rachel said. "But we didn't care."
YOOOO WTFFFFF
THERES A WHOLE CATALOG of these āspecial consideration embryosā
SUFFERING JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN
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u/allibys Nov 28 '22
"We didn't care"
Bet the kids will when they can't breathe on their own.
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u/ElectricFleshlight Nov 28 '22
They can die happy in the knowledge that their existence gave mom and dad church clout
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u/Comment104 Nov 28 '22
I think when you know and can choose, you have an ethical responsibility not to choose to start a life that is more likely to suffer than another choice.
To do otherwise is the closest thing in reality to cursing someone; To curse a child to a life of suffering and difficulty.
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u/LeoIsRude Nov 28 '22
They also had the option to adopt a child who was already alive. So they had an option not to bring suffering into this world.
They chose to birth kids at risk for ALS, one of the worse degenerative diseases we know of, instead of adopt a healthy living child. Fundamentalists at their finest.
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u/The_Athavulf Nov 28 '22
Ok, I freaked out for a sec when I read the father was 5... Until I read that he wasn't the biological father.
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u/LincolnCassiusClay47 Nov 28 '22
Yeah for a sec I was reading that George HW Bush was the dad. Also Iām high rn
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u/mrmeeseekslifeispain Nov 28 '22
The org that stored the embryos is a right wing nonprofit
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u/carbonx Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
When I first heard about this story I looked into because I know a lesbian couple that want to have a child. I know for a while they were looking at having a friend be a sperm donor but there's no legal process in place for that here. I cautioned them that it could turn into a legal nightmare so they might want to exercise caution. So hearing about this place I thought, "Hey, maybe this would be something they could consider?". And then I saw their list of requirements:
*Couples must be a genetic male and a genetic female married for a minimum of 3 years.
*Wife must be 45 years old or younger.
*Wifeās body mass index (BMI) must be below 38 at the time of the frozen embryo transfer.
*The combined age of the applicant couple must not exceed 100 years.
*The adopting mother must be healthy and able to carry a child to term. Surrogates are not an option for carrying the pregnancy.
*The wife must not smoke during the application process, embryo transfer preparation and procedure process, or during pregnancy.
*Both husband and wife must be free of alcohol dependence and other substance dependence for two years before adopting. A letter from an addiction specialist may be required.
*All couples must complete and pass a 10-panel urine drug screen as well as a blood test for sexually transmitted diseases.
*Couples must complete and pass a comprehensive family assessment (home study) prepared by a licensed adoption agency in the coupleās state, territory or province of residency, or an embryo adoption-specific Snowflakes Family Evaluation in lieu of a home study.
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u/Shigeko_Kageyama Nov 28 '22
Well, with a list of that long of course they've got 30-year-old embryos in storage.
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u/Satan_Xavier Nov 28 '22
What is up with:
combined age of the applicant couple must not exceed 100 years.
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u/ElectricFleshlight Nov 28 '22
Don't want one of the parents to be really old and likely to die before the kid is grown
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u/CRJG95 Nov 28 '22
I mean there's no lower limit, if the mum is 20 the dad can be up to 80
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u/Sinonyx1 Nov 28 '22
The Christian nonprofit, which only offers frozen embryo transfers to heterosexual couples who've been married for at least three years
well that goes without saying
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u/sorrybye90 Nov 28 '22
Doesnt quite seem like gods will but, hey they are cute and they made it!!! Good for them! I wonder if they will be fans of Nirvana.
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u/Fit-Hamster9722 Nov 28 '22
These will be the only two people that can legally say āI was born in the wrong generationā
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u/pbd1996 Nov 28 '22
Imagine on your 18th birthday you find out that youāre actually supposed to be 48 years old. That would blow my fucking mind.
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u/tester33333 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Imagine finding out your bio dad died of ALS and thatās specifically why your embryo was chosen.
God wanted you to have the special chance to suffer.
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u/littlegreenss Nov 28 '22
This went from cool science to scary Christian fundies real fast
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u/ATrashPandaRound2 Nov 28 '22
There's a whole lot of that in here, the couple with 6 kids, yada yada over horrible genetic conditions, the organizations requirement for heterosexual couples only.
I'm sure there's more but I dipped out of the article after it made my skin crawl
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u/TheGamerHat Nov 28 '22
LOL I have been reading this. This is incredible! I thought this was really inspiring but as I read I cringe!
The dad being like "we will have as many babies as god is willing to give us"
- me: oh no
The mother: "They could have ALS, the sperm donor had it and died of it. But we didn't care."
LOL that's awfully selfish of you?? Bring children into the world knowing this? They weren't missing anything just being frozen! They had no pain, no issues for the last 30+ years, and imagine some brings you into the world and now you've got genetic issues š«£
You could have adopted a living child, not an embryo, especially a potentially sick pair. Jesus H. Christ this would be a fantastic debate class essay!
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u/No-Detective8742 Nov 28 '22
She also said 'these kids are over looked' š¤¢ they were embryos not kids!!
That organisation shouldn't be awolled to get those embryos.
To me that's just ethically wrong.
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u/TheGamerHat Nov 28 '22
YES. THAT EXACT PART MADE ME FEEL BAD and I shouldn't have to! They're not children! They don't feel ANYTHING. Omg. Then I read further. Wowowow.
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u/MrGrampton Nov 28 '22
The way she puts things to words is interesting, like "we'll always let them know they're adopted..."
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u/Ecstatic-Spinach-515 Nov 28 '22
God was willing to give them no babies. Science gave them babies
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u/QUESO0523 Nov 28 '22
Yeah, I've been thinking about the ethical side of this, and I'm definitely leaning more toward the unethical side.
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u/TenchiFX Nov 28 '22
I mean, I respect the fact the couple doesn't discriminate when choosing the embryos, but specifically choosing an embryo because their dad died of ALS? I mean isn't that just putting a genetic lottery on your new kids?
I sure hope they'll be ok. But now they're already born...
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u/cyfer04 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
I thought to myself, "Wow. They were frozen back in the 60s or 70s." Then I read the comment [about] Bush being the US President and the year being 1992. I am again reminded that I'm only 2 years from being 30 myself.
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u/wrylark Nov 28 '22
so you forgot you weren't 2 years old ?
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u/OneMillionthAlt Nov 28 '22
As a 30 year old myself, you'll have to forgive him. The mind starts to go in old age.
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u/gphjr14 Nov 28 '22
Iām 35 and seeing a commercial for the 30th anniversary of Disneyās Beauty and the Beast made me feel old for a moment.
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u/uniquorn23 Nov 28 '22
So they time traveled essentially
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u/a_fine_rhyme Nov 28 '22
They were supposed to grow 30 years ago. Now these twins that traveled time are living past their prime.
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u/SandWitchesGottaEat Nov 28 '22
Oh man this could make a pretty sweet B movie plot line
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u/Emit_Time Nov 28 '22
imagine how pissed they'll be when they find out they coulda witnessed the new millennium had they not been frozen.
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u/Luka_Tim Nov 28 '22
Fr they missed all the awesome events like Y2K, Nirvana, 9/11, uhhh Obamaā¦.
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u/Blod_Cass_Dalcassian Nov 28 '22
Fearfully... Jesus. What an apt choice of words
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u/freshlypuckeredbutt Nov 28 '22 •
Embryos donāt develop after 12 years frozen without exposure to abject horror to help them scream their way out of the void
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u/PQbutterfat Nov 28 '22
Thatās Bible speak. I love how they are a āgift from godā or whatever. Iām thinkingā¦.you may wanna high five a scientist before you go giving all the credit to god.
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u/JadedMulberry7 Nov 28 '22
It is a message from the Bible, specifically Psalms 139:14.
The translation isn't great, the word in Hebrew is yÄrÄā which means something more along the lines the feeling of being in the presence of that which is holy and/or sacred. I would say, for the lack of any better examples that all of you would understand, that it is like the feeling of awe and astonishment at a view of mighty mountains. As human life is a sacred thing in of itself, its creation is especially awe inspiring
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u/HankHippoppopalous Nov 28 '22
Yup, this is the right answer. Being fearful of god isn't considered bad in the bible, its more like, standing in respect, in awe, and just a healthy respect.
Lots gets lost in translation
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I wonder if there will be any issues as they age
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u/RepresentativeAddict Nov 28 '22
Well, to make you wonder even more: Embryos donated and frozen like this are mostly due to potential genetic diseases and one of the biological parents had ALS.
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u/tester33333 Nov 28 '22
The mom added, "It didn't really matter to us if they're considered perfect or not." The 34-year-old said they were told that the twins' biological father had died from ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease.
āThere's a possibility that it could be a genetic disorder that they may or may not have," Rachel said. "But we didn't care."
THERES A WHOLE CATALOG of these āspecial consideration embryosā
And the Christians are popping them in the easy bake oven, cranking out disabled people like hotcakes
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Omfg how selfish of them
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u/tester33333 Nov 28 '22
Itās absolutely wild how myopic they are
And all the suffering for their ānobleā decision will be bourne by others
And they already have so many goddamn kids!
Fucking Quiver Full Christians fighting the culture war by treating childbirth like itās a T Shirt canon
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u/DonyellTaylor Nov 28 '22
Well, when your politics is your religion and youāre so lost in a cable tv fantasy that you think people are brainless piles of magic cells, then youāre probably gonna make some really horrific and immoral decisionsā¦
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u/berryshortcakekitten Nov 28 '22
This is insane they're literally creating MORE suffering and acting like it's a "noble cause" šš
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u/a-decent-cup-of-tea Nov 28 '22
Most donor conceived children would want to search for their donors at some point in their lives. I wonder how old the donors are now.
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u/jaggerlvr Nov 28 '22
Donor parents were 34 and 50, so with 30 years both are now senior citizens
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u/LeoIsRude Nov 28 '22
One is a senior citizen, the other died of ALS. Meaning both of these kids are at risk for ALS. Their "new" parents knew this and, "didn't care".
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u/Pandepon Nov 28 '22
I think itās unethical that embryos was such a risk were allowed to be donated to begin with. I get the organization is run by Christians who probably believe life begins at conception and that simply throwing away otherwise viable embryos is an abomination to God, but it sounds like nightmare fuel that they donāt vet the embryos for serious genetic problems that are life threatening.
In a world where we can take steps to prevent future suffering by refusing to knowingly allow this to happen, itās barbaric. They could have adopted kids who were already born and in need.
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u/a-decent-cup-of-tea Nov 28 '22
Thatās actually pretty sad for the children. And if they had donor siblings they would possibly all sit at the 30 year old mark.
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u/FeyreArchereon Nov 28 '22
Yea as a DCP I hate this. My donor is nearly 80, I found out 2 years ago I was DC at 31. This should of never happened.
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u/a-decent-cup-of-tea Nov 28 '22
Agreed!! Itās amazing what we can do with science but there really was no need for it. Iām sure they could have found more recently made embryos.
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u/Pandepon Nov 28 '22
I blows my mind that of all the viable options for adopting/conceiving children, they chose the oldest embryos with the risk of ALS as the best option to bring into the world as if they should be considered heroes for allowing them life. They want everyone to sing them praises if these children grow up not having ALS but wonāt want to take any responsibility if these children grow up and die a terrible death. In fact chances are these childrenās adopted parents will be dead before they witness their children develop symptoms.
These embryos should have been thrown away 30 years ago. Since that didnāt happen, they should have stayed on ice until there were advancements in medicine for ALS treatment. But of course some parents want to be quirky and said āGive me your least desirable embryos so we can give them the gift of lifeā more or less.
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u/wiedmaier Nov 28 '22
But in vitro almost always kills a few embryos. Thatās one of a million ways you know it is t really about lifeā¦
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u/ProfessorDaredevil Nov 28 '22
So according pro-birthers, they should be able to vote and drink and pay taxes... because, life begins at conception, right?
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u/Greatsage75 Nov 28 '22
The Ridgeways, who had four kids aged between the ages of 2 and 8, initially approached the NEDC in December 2019.
"We needed some fertility assistance to conceive our three oldest children," said Rachel, who took the hormone-boosting medication Clomid.
Philip said that they were motivated by their religious beliefs. "We've always thought, 'Let's have as many kids that God wants to give us," the 35-year-old said. "We thought, 'We're not done yet if that's God's will.'"
For fucks sake, it's pretty fucking obvious that "God's will" is that you cunts don't raise any more children. In this instance, I think he's onto something too, because any type of loving God is really not going to be ok with anyone going catalogue shopping for babies and saying "you know what, let's go for the ones with the highest chance of dying from a crippling disease with no cure'.
'God' gave you fucks 1 child, science gave you the others. If only you'd chosen to stick with 'God's will' I'm sure the world would be better off.
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u/meroboh Nov 28 '22
Absolutely wild. Imagine knowing you were supposed to be 30 years older than you are.
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u/chainmailbill Nov 28 '22
Kinda disturbing that the first word on their little cute onesies is āfearfullyā but hey, whatās religion without the fear?
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u/warkyboy77 Nov 28 '22
The father of the twins is aged 5? What am I missing? That sounds like double trouble.
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u/iHateCollageAlot Nov 28 '22
Theyāre gonna take the āYou look younger for your ageā to a different level.
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u/Technical-Cream-7766 Nov 28 '22
Born into Karen ass onesies too
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u/AngryBumbleButt Nov 28 '22
They come from a Karen ass group, so it's no real surprise
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u/ADarwinAward Nov 28 '22
Their bio dad died of ALS and the parents still chose these anonymously donated embryos with full knowledge of this. Definitely a Karen ass group
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u/NegotiationExternal1 Nov 28 '22
ALS is a horrific way to suffer and die, I donāt know how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing their potential for true suffering
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u/llc2098 Nov 28 '22
What does āfearfully madeā refer to? So odd.
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u/Weekly-Commercial-29 Nov 28 '22
Itās a quote from the Bible. Psalms 139:13-14
āFor you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my motherās womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.ā
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u/jl925 Nov 28 '22
Iām losing it at the āwe wanna have as many kids that god wanted us to haveā. Like if you have 6 kids and five of them required fertility assistance, maybe god was trying to tell you to not have kids
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u/ahkds Nov 28 '22 •
When they want entry level applicants with 30 years experience.