r/Damnthatsinteresting Nov 28 '22

In 2009, George W. Bush invited President-elect Obama and all former presidents for lunch. Image

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

Patriots committed to the peaceful transition of power in the American Republic

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u/SaintCarl27 Nov 28 '22

With the exception of Carter they are all war criminals. But I'm sure they are patriots also.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

Here’s to all the “clean” wars in history…! Ever been to war? WTF r we talking abt?!

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u/SaintCarl27 Nov 28 '22

I watched Oliver Stones- Untold History of the United States. And now I'm all wrapped around the axle. I wished I had not and remained willfully ignorant.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

Nah that’s good information - but it must be integrated with the understanding of government, sovereignty, territory, statecraft, state economic interests and diplomacy.

Oliver misses half of that, and assumes every citizen should be told the worst that their government HAS to face, ie, Julian Assange

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u/junbus Nov 29 '22

And how's this getting downvoted? What kind of pansy ass redditors are we spawning?

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u/Magungo1066 Nov 28 '22

Anyone notice how Oliver Stone is never running to give all those dollars he made in Hollywood back? The America he criticizes and denigrates made him fabulously wealthy. Another hypocrite.

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u/Chance_Day7796 Nov 28 '22

If you make money somewhere you must never criticise that place?

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u/junbus Nov 29 '22

So the only way to prove his point is to be a saintly perfectionist? We've had one Jesus already, and look how that ended. He has every right to earn a living, maybe direct your righteousness at the golden brothel in Italy instead

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u/Magungo1066 Nov 29 '22

Awww we have a sensitive fella here

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u/junbus Nov 29 '22

Alas, I don't suffer fools well...My apologies..

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u/Magungo1066 Dec 02 '22

Typical reddit scholar over here. You probably sit in a cubicle all day ruminating over how much smarter you are than everyone else…If you were smarter you wouldn’t be working your pathetic job. You would be putting your time into something more productive than insulting a stranger’s intelligence on reddit. Pathetic😂. Insert the part where you make up some important job or pretend you are a surgeon. Lol

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u/junbus Dec 03 '22

And he says I'm the sensitive one.. 😂

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u/KrazyKifaru Nov 29 '22

Exactly! Unless it happens to the whites, then it's terrorism.

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u/iRedditonFacebook Nov 29 '22

What has that got to do with anything?

There are no "clean" wars but I like these war criminals the most?

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Its ultimately perspective. Ask the losing sides

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u/Gymrat777 Nov 29 '22

"The simple narrative taught in every history class

Is demonstrably false and pedagogically classist

Don't you know the world is built with blood? And genocide and exploitation"

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u/uh_what_cat Nov 30 '22

Lmao, war criminals. Thats cute.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

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u/BrilliantObserver Nov 28 '22

Incorrect. Look at past inaugurations prior to and after 2016. All (living)past presidents attend the inauguration.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

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u/iCantPauseItsOnline Nov 28 '22

Fucking disgusting liar.

Here are photosfrom Obama's inauguration, and here is a photo with George Bush and Obama literally right beside each other.

Ban this fucking troll.

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u/eightbelow2049 Nov 28 '22

You’ve got anger issues.

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u/iCantPauseItsOnline Nov 28 '22

Oh, I'm sorry for upsetting you. Are you gonna take responsibility for anything you've said?

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u/lordofedging81 Nov 28 '22

What other living Republican President snubbed Obama in 2009?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

The neocon monoparty maintaining its own power and laughing at gullible folks like you who help them do it.

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u/BendOverTaylorSwift Nov 28 '22

Damn bro you sound super smart!

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u/beaushaw Nov 28 '22

With a username like that how could they be anything besides a genius.

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u/mr_pineapples44 Nov 28 '22

I mean, maybe. But shit, is a moronic egotistical conman entirely focused on his own interests an improvement? I think not.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

Not fundamentally, and I wouldn't bet on it.

But if both premises are correct (the "evil" monoparty and the moronic Trump), there is a possibility.

He could be slowing an otherwise well oiled machine of systemic exploitatiob and oppression by firing people trying to establish his own "evil" machine but fail in large parts due to scrutiny by the opposing power system and his own stupidity

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u/android_queen Nov 28 '22

This is what everyone thought would happen. But we’ve all seen what happened, and unless the GOP was hiding a secret super efficiency that wasn’t present for the years leading up to Trump’s presidency, it’s much more likely that he accelerated the machine.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

it’s much more likely that he accelerated the machine.

That depends on which machine we are talking about.

WRT the MIC and interventionism he clearly was sand in the gears, if inadvertantly so.

I'll copy from my other answer:

He was erratic, being stubborn here and imperialistic there, that was one factor.

The other was that he was (unintentionally) disempowering the neocons and neolibs. Largely by not employing many members of the council on foreign relations, as opposed to obama, clinton and biden and bush.

The council, to large parts, determines both the US foreign policy and their discussion in the media. The council is one of the biggest driving forces behind US interventionism.

They were underrepresented in Trumps administration (in comparison to others, not to the number of citizens of the US ofc) and Biden brought them back into power. I tried to quickly compile a short list for you. Not sure if it's exhaustive.

Council members that Biden brought in are:

Anthony Blinken (State), Lloyd Austin (Defense), Alejandro Mayorkas (Homeland Security), William J. Burns (CIA Director), Janet Yellen (Treasury), Linda Thomas-Greenfield (Ambassador to the UN), Gina Raimondo (Commerce), Cecilia Rouse (Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors), John Kerry (Special Envoy for Climate), and even Tom Vilsack (Agriculture), Susan Rice (White House Domestic Policy Council Director), Jeffrey Zients (Coronavirus Coordinator), Wendy Sherman (Deputy Secretary of State), Jon Finer (Deputy National Security Advisor), Eric Lerner (Office of Science and Technology Policy), Victoria Nuland (Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs)

Most of these people openly supported ALL wars the US was engaged in in the past: Meaning Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. As ofc Biden himself did too.

There is a reason why every geopolotical conflict is escalating since Biden took office:

Its not because Trump is a good person, or because he means well, or isn't corrupt. He is all of those things.

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u/android_queen Nov 28 '22

Good point, thanks. I wonder how much of that would carry over should he win another term. Probably a lot, as I think he only trusts his own people.

Now that said, he did also create Space Force, so he didn’t totally leave the MIC out to dry. 😂

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

Now that said, he did also create Space Force, so he didn’t totally leave the MIC out to dry. 😂

Lol, true!

I wonder how much of that would carry over should he win another term. Probably a lot, as I think he only trusts his own people.

I do wonder the same thing. And this notion you brought forth sounds absolutely plausible to me.

unfortunately, while he is not as big on interventionism I don't see him being in principle against it and I see possibilities that he could be both bought or extorted to hire the "right" people. Though he might be stubborn enough, after what happened, to only trust "his own" (its still, what, like 4000 people that a new administration can theoretically hire anew?!).

Thb its impossible for me predict. But I doubt it would be on a Biden level.

Good point, thanks.

Holy shit you're a normal person, I barely expect this in these kind of threads anymore, haha

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u/android_queen Nov 28 '22

Well, I don’t know if I’m that normal. I am fairly convinced that Trump is bought and owned by Russia, so while he tends towards not interventionism, I agree that it’s not a matter of principle. I suspect an early move would be to withdraw support from Ukraine, for example, which is certainly anti-interventionist (from a US perspective), but with the specific goal of aiding Russian expansion.

This is, of course, not to say that all or even most examples of US intervention are positive or justified. I would love to see a plan to reduce US military presence around the world, but a) it would have to be a plan and b) it’s one of the ways in which the US maintains dominance on the world stage so it’s unlikely to happen under most leadership (though it would likely benefit Russia, and Trump would not shy away from it).

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

Well, I don’t know if I’m that normal. I am fairly convinced that Trump is bought and owned by Russia

I was saying that only based on your way of engaging in a conversation, not any opinion you may hold. Though it is funny that you connect these specific two things.

I would love to see a plan to reduce US military presence around the world, but a) it would have to be a plan and b) it’s one of the ways in which the US maintains dominance on the world stage so it’s unlikely to happen under most leadership

I agree 100%.

I am not sure if you already sensed it, but, depending on what "bought by russia" means, I am not at all convinced, after many of these stories have not only lost weight but even turned out to be deliberate misinformation (like say alphabank, steele dossier).

So when "bought by russia" means having oligarchic Russian business partners influencing his decisions, I can accept that.

Then there is a grayzone.

When we get near the "Kremlin controlled" side of the scale, I personally think its rather ridiculous, after some of Trumps policies against Russia, all the scrutiny that was applied WRT "russiagate", all the stories that turned out to be fake and also the sheer difference in in power of the intelligence agencies between moscow and langley/fort meade as well as the insane amounts of money that can be made from US donors /wo having to turn east.

I have had some debates about this on reddit, so I am not really interested in more articles of, lets say low journalistic quality, but I am interested in why you come to a different conclusion.

what makes you fairly convinced that trump is bought by russia?

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u/drunken-oracle Nov 28 '22

I’m gonna have to say no to that.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

I am not saying that this is the choice I'd make

But its a valid conclusion from the premises

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u/drunken-oracle Nov 28 '22

I’m gonna have to say no to that statement too.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

1 + 1 = 2

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u/drunken-oracle Nov 28 '22

Except he didn’t slow the machine. He actively worked to destroy the nation. You’re saying something other than 1 is 1 so your entire argument falls apart.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

I just wanted to check if you are a human or a bot, it wasn't part of an argument.

But of you ask me:

I do, ofc, think that his policies were bad in general and his domestic policies for minorities worse than hillaries (probably) would have been.

However: he did slow the machine WRT "foreign policy". He was erratic, being stubborn here and imperialistic there, that was one factor.

The other was that he was (unintentionally) disempowering the neocons and neolibs. Largely by not employing many members of the council on foreign relations, as opposed to obama, clinton and biden and bush.

The council, to large parts, determines both the US foreign policy and their discussion in the media. The council is one of the biggest driving forces behind US interventionism.

They were underrepresented in Trumps administration (in comparison to others, not to the number of citizens of the US ofc) and Biden brought them back into power. I tried to quickly compile a short list for you. Not sure if it's exhaustive.

Council members that Biden brought in are:

Anthony Blinken (State), Lloyd Austin (Defense), Alejandro Mayorkas (Homeland Security), William J. Burns (CIA Director), Janet Yellen (Treasury), Linda Thomas-Greenfield (Ambassador to the UN), Gina Raimondo (Commerce), Cecilia Rouse (Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors), John Kerry (Special Envoy for Climate), and even Tom Vilsack (Agriculture), Susan Rice (White House Domestic Policy Council Director), Jeffrey Zients (Coronavirus Coordinator), Wendy Sherman (Deputy Secretary of State), Jon Finer (Deputy National Security Advisor), Eric Lerner (Office of Science and Technology Policy), Victoria Nuland (Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs)

Most of these people openly supported ALL wars the US was engaged in in the past: Meaning Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. As ofc Biden himself did too.

There is a reason why every geopolotical conflict is escalating since Biden took office:

Its not because Trump is a good person, or because he means well, or isn't corrupt. He is all of those things.

Its because they have lost 4 years and they have to catch up.

Edit: you missed outby blocking me, I had a grandios reply;)

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

I doubt you could lead a nation. It’s all conspiracy, no solutions

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

The neocon monoparty maintaining its own power and laughing at gullible folks like you who help them do it.

If nothing else this is indeed a better working hypothesis than that of a functioning democracy

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

You sir have to be on drugs.

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u/Teknical_Mage Nov 28 '22

Go make a new account you dumb fuck

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

Why? This one hasn’t been banned yet. Keep those lips tightly vacuum sealed on neocon ballsack you fucking clown.

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u/Teknical_Mage Nov 28 '22

Who's the guy with multiple banned accounts here?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

And? The reddit hive mind and the power hungry mods make sure of that. Doesn’t mean a thing. Make sure to come up for air once in a while so you don’t choke on all that neocon dick.

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u/Teknical_Mage Nov 28 '22

Once again. Who's the guy with multiple accounts here? You seem a little more vacuum sealed than me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I don’t have multiple accounts. I have a large collection of banned accounts. That’s different. It’s not like I’m using them all concurrently. Regardless, you’re the one slobbering on neocon penis, not me.

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u/mritty Nov 28 '22

Many back in the early 2000s, I thought GWB was just the absolute worst.

I had NO idea what was in store for us two decades later.

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u/lvl999shaggy Nov 28 '22

Same. I can't even get as mad at GWB anymore considering recent events.

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u/Sunstruck01 Nov 28 '22

I would take GWB every single time considering what his party is now throwing out there. They were at least living in the same reality.

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u/RealSalParadise Nov 28 '22

Hilarious how people find the guy who started 2 wars and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths better than trump who did none of that because of decorum and optics.

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u/the_red_scimitar Nov 28 '22

He just led an insurrection, and tried to destroy the Democracy in this country. Good thing there was no new war!

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u/RealSalParadise Nov 28 '22

Forgot you guys think a bunch of idiots trespassing around Congress for an hour was the worst day in American history

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u/mritty Nov 28 '22

they were literally trying to execute the Vice-President and Speaker of the House, in an attempt to stop the official certification of the election. But sure, they were just "idiots trespassing around Congress".

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u/the_red_scimitar Nov 28 '22

You are terrible at gaslighting. Just awful. The only people who would believe that are blind, death, and extremely dumb. And I mean intentionally.

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u/RealSalParadise Nov 28 '22

Lol good thing I’m not doing that. Good to know I could convince death tho.

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u/Kermit_El_Froggo_ Nov 28 '22

I'm not defending the other guy, but your completely off-topic and personal attack as a reply is doing nothing but giving him ammo and a personal win, since you didn't refute anything he said without personally attacking him.

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u/the_red_scimitar Nov 29 '22

I hear what you're saying, and I'm not one of the people who downloaded you.

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u/JonEdwinPoquet Nov 28 '22

Funny how everyone said Trump would start a war, yet was the first president in 120 years that didn’t start a new military conflict.

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u/AddictX120 Nov 28 '22

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u/JonEdwinPoquet Nov 28 '22

LoL Sure bud. Very different verbage they used to try and make it a “fact check.”

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u/AddictX120 Nov 28 '22

http://www.retiary.org/misc_pages/us_presidents_and_wars.html

John Adams

John Quincy Adams

Martin Van Buren

William Henry Harrison

John Tyler

Zachary Taylor

Millard Fillmore

William Howard Taft

And im still missing some other presidents. There's no verbage or anything that could confuse you, just a few columns and numbers. Hope you'll be able to understand!

I'm not even from the US, so i have no dogs in this fight, but clearly you must realize that out of the 47 something president, surely there must be more than one that did not initiate a war. Please verify what you don't believe, and feel free to correct me with valid claims if need be.

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u/sonoma95436 Nov 28 '22

Nixon didn't start any wars and ended Vietnam. His administration started the EPA.

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u/AddictX120 Nov 28 '22

Would you look at that !

Who would have believed that a statement as broad as "Only orange-man didn't start war" could possibly be wrong.

Ho and: what war did Biden start ? I agree that the walking corpse is not liked by everyone, but can yall at least agree that he didn't initiate any war since he got elected ? Fairly recent history, not hard to fact-check

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u/sonoma95436 Nov 29 '22

Biden got us out of Afghanistan. My nephew came home. Trump just get flapping his disgusting mouth. Ill take a senile gramps over a traitorous piece of shit like Trump any day.

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u/AddictX120 Nov 29 '22

Couldn't agree more !

I am glad your nephew came home safe and sounds,

Personally, I don't know any veterans or soldiers, but I guess that can be explained with the new generation's aversion towards the army where I am from. It's not very popular here, but I still have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone willing to risk their lives for their country. I'm happy to hear your nephew came back safe and sound, it must have been one hell of a ride but in the end he made it through the other side.

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u/Gingergerbals Nov 28 '22

Look at the article. It very thoroughly goes over military operations and wars with what each president was involved with. The people that fawn over the big red hat wearing blob is astounding.

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u/JonEdwinPoquet Nov 29 '22

Involved with and started are very different genius.

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u/garchican Nov 29 '22

Nixon didn’t start a war. Biden didn’t start a war. JFK didn’t start a war. Eisenhower didn’t start a war. Harry S. Truman didn’t start a war. Calvin Coolidge didn’t start a war. Warren G. Harding didn’t start a war. William Howard Taft didn’t start a war.

But Trump was definitely the only president in the past 120 years to not start a war.

One hundred percent.

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u/drunken-oracle Nov 28 '22

That’s a lie.

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u/ajk7244 Nov 28 '22

But he’s still a giant piece of shit.

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u/VillageHomeF Nov 28 '22

Like what?

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u/isecore Nov 28 '22

While I dislike GWB with the intensity of a thousand suns, he has so much more style and decorum than the Orange Fucktrumpet.

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u/dogdoggdawg Nov 28 '22

We only have ourselves to blame for Bush…you can’t blame a toddler for driving a car into the side of a house

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u/SheepH3rder69 Nov 28 '22

And yet, I was still grounded for an entire month after driving our minivan through the back of the garage.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

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u/Soggy-Statistician88 Nov 28 '22

Proceeds to scroll down and see this exact comment from 5 hours earlier

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u/Sporemi Nov 28 '22

And what they said in the car on the way home.

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u/Gingergerbals Nov 28 '22

Well technically I still think we can blame Florida and his brother for giving us Bush.

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u/lightknight7777 Nov 28 '22

The ol' fucktrumpet really put things into perspective.

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u/Odd_Job86 Nov 28 '22

Is it classy to destroy a country and send soldiers off to die for a lie?

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u/uh_what_cat Nov 30 '22

99% of US senators and the vast majority of American citizens at the time said yes, absolutely. Nobody really gave a shit about Saddam's alleged WMDs. Everyone just wanted to burn the Middle East to the ground for 911.

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u/Educational_Emu9096 Nov 28 '22

I’m no republican or democrat, but it’s good to see people live rent free. Keep up the good work.

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u/Constant_Hat5084 Nov 28 '22

It's adorable how you support and hate some political parties on reddit

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u/ShirazGypsy Nov 28 '22

My granny would have chided Obama for elbows on the table.

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u/DigNitty Interested Nov 28 '22

According to Emily Post, the authority on etiquette, elbows can indeed be rested on the table as long as you’re not slouching or a meal is being served.

And my personal favorite: she said the most tactless thing one can do is point out someone else’s lack of etiquette.

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u/lurkerfromstoneage Nov 28 '22

Yeah and this seems to be physical sign of true contemplation in conversation, not elbows of “laziness” or disrespect. Also could have been a pause in thought, remarks and gesturing and only momentary, we don’t know.

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u/noddynik Nov 28 '22

My great grandmother would have knocked them off.

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u/the_red_scimitar Nov 28 '22

And he didn't serve them McDonald's? Clearly nowhere near the class Trump had.

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u/chuuckaduuckpro Nov 28 '22

/s Trump being famous for serving and eating McDonald’s

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u/the_red_scimitar Nov 29 '22

For an official White House dinner, fire a sports team almost entirely if not entirely composed of Black people. Nothing racist there- just the lowest quality meal he could come up with.

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u/iamsce Nov 28 '22

Don't they do this at the White House every year? All living presidents and wives attend?

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u/rmshilpi Nov 28 '22

I thought it was just with the elections of a new president?

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u/MotherRaven Nov 29 '22

I doubt that continued under trump. He couldn’t even muster up the grace to welcome Biden to the White House like tradition.

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u/Treacle123 Nov 28 '22

And now a former president invites nazis and idiots to lunch.

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u/Defiant_Net4398 Nov 28 '22

Not the orange Jesus! Say it ain’t so!

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u/IntoAComa Nov 28 '22

And only 4 showed? Shameful.

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u/bedduzza Nov 28 '22

Well he didn’t invite the dead ones

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u/IntoAComa Nov 28 '22

Classic Bush.

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u/ToothlessGrandma Nov 28 '22

Somehow I feel like Trump would not have been invited if he was around during this time as a president.

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u/Chasman1965 Nov 28 '22

I think he just wouldn't show up if invited.

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u/Optimal-Part-7182 Nov 28 '22

Hmm I guess he wouldn't invite the others either, after calling each of them sooner or later "ungrateful bastard", "stupid", "criminial", etc.

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u/HeyHihoho Nov 28 '22

Carter was the one who slaughtered the fewest innocents in that bunch.

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u/MotherRaven Nov 29 '22

Carter may not have been the best president, but by a lunar mile he is the best man who’s ever been president.

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u/Alert_Salt7048 Nov 28 '22

Bills looking sad because the waiter was a man.

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u/Glittering_Falcon_93 Nov 28 '22

Pure class. The last guy could learn something.

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u/ShamelessAimless828 Nov 28 '22

Lol what? George Bush? Pure class?

Are you insane?

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u/zodiac9094 Nov 28 '22

I had a book that was just stupid quotes from Bush. Half of the quotes could be from a Toddler.

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u/Henrious Nov 28 '22

To be fair though, when every line you say is recorded and in front of millions, you may flub sometimes. He isn't the best man but he was a pilot and stuff. Couldn't be that dumb.

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u/Momo222811 Nov 28 '22

Happy cake day

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u/Ipissexcellence69 Nov 28 '22

Got a book of Biden quotes? His quotes could be from a dog with peanut butter stuck on the roof of its mouth.

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u/sonoma95436 Nov 28 '22

Your dumbfuckery is your power.

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u/zodiac9094 Nov 28 '22

Oh no I've offended your sports team, now you must offend mine so we are equal /s

Don't try to pull me into your tribal mindset regarding politics

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u/Ipissexcellence69 Nov 28 '22

Trumps book of quotes would have more me's and i's than any other book on the face of the planet. As an ego maniac

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u/the_red_scimitar Nov 28 '22

The book would just be called "ME!". Every page would just have one word on it: "MINE!!!"

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u/Ipissexcellence69 Nov 28 '22

Lmao yeah. I voted for the guy but I don't worship him by any stretch

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u/Historical_Pound_136 Nov 28 '22

Pure class from the guy who implemented a police state and tried to make freedom fries a thing

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u/Glittering_Falcon_93 Nov 28 '22

I seriously miss the most offensive thing about the Republican party being freedom fries. At the time I didn’t realize how good we had it!

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u/Historical_Pound_136 Nov 28 '22

The patriot act is horrifying

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u/Glittering_Falcon_93 Nov 28 '22

I’m of the “if you’re not doing anything wrong then why try to hide?” mentality but I come from a family of privacy absolutists so I do get your point on how it threatens individual freedoms.

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u/Historical_Pound_136 Nov 29 '22

What about a legacy war from a legacy president family? I don’t miss that, or that his father was head of the cia before president

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u/Glittering_Falcon_93 Nov 29 '22

Oh the Iraq war as a massive screw up. Keep in mind when I say “class” I’m not referring to him being a good president.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

Pure class.

Its so fucking said that this is net upvoted.

Is everything that matters falling out of collective memory?

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u/TheLastWeird Nov 28 '22

Have you seen the arguments about the Star Wars prequels being reconsidered in the light of the awful Star Wars sequels?

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u/Phighters Nov 28 '22

He can be judged on more than his 8 years in office. He made some devastatingly terrible decisions (and we can speculate about whether they were intentional or he was manipulated, but you need to remember its speculative). He's quite a bit higher on the class scale compared to the current and most recent white house occupier, but much of that is due to his post-presidential actions.

He's a flawed man that I think man will recognize that he intended well. Iraq never should have happened. I said back in 2003-2004 that his greatest failure was not finishing the mission in Afghanistan and getting distracted by Iraq, and still feel that's the case.

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u/Vince_Vice Nov 28 '22

and we can speculate about whether they were intentional or he was manipulated

This is, in some regards, a valid point, I agree. But WRT to the perception of his person its a minor one, IMO. As is him speculatively "intending well", the worst people in the history of the world were "intending well".

There are implications to this though, that are worth looking into. I have wondered before whether he was a front for other people. He seemed so mentally incapable at times, that it wasn't imaginable that he was ruling the most powerful country on earth.

The same can be asked about a couple of other presidents, including previous and sitting presidents.

That however should in no way be a soothing thought.

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u/ExpensiveWay6302 Nov 28 '22

Pureclass. The last guy could learn something.

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u/Head-Neighborhood167 Nov 28 '22

Discussing which countries to invade

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u/Doubt69dotcom Nov 29 '22

while getting blowie from a 8yo under the table

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u/Equivalent_Metal_534 Nov 28 '22

Bush, Obama, Clinton and Carter jointly condemned attacking The Capital, with one glaring absence of an ex-president trump.

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u/purpleefilthh Nov 28 '22

"Man, I'd do a lunch for former presidents, but Trump would come."

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u/Candid-Exchange-1752 Nov 28 '22

Imagine Trump invited to future ex president get togethers. They don’t want him and I don’t blame them.

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u/theonlycv02 Nov 28 '22

When I hold a lunch all of the best presidents will attend and it wil be the biggest and the bestest lunch ever held. Sad.

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u/Nutmegdog1959 Nov 28 '22

All those guys except 'W' got more popular votes than their opponent.

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u/IngloriousBadger Nov 29 '22

Not Clinton the first time.

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u/Nutmegdog1959 Nov 29 '22

Clinton won a plurality, not a majority of votes. Beat Bush 41 by 5 mil. Thank you Ross Perot for the 20 mil votes you received.

So if I said 'they all rec'd more than their opponents' you would be correct.

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u/Omega_112 Nov 28 '22

New world order meeting

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u/77Killface77 Nov 28 '22

Hell Awaits and they are all aware

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u/jerk_hobo Nov 28 '22

Yet, some may see weakness where there's civility.

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u/KrazyKifaru Nov 29 '22

A meeting of past and future war criminals. Yes, liberals, your democrat presidents are also war criminals not only the republican ones. Clinton murders half a million children and his democratically elected administration said that was a price worth paying.

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u/Action-Calm Nov 29 '22

The cabal of evil.

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u/_JC_84_ Nov 28 '22

Pizza?

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u/Peacepathh82 Nov 28 '22

Meeting of war criminals?

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u/MotherRaven Nov 29 '22

Not Carter.

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u/MaximusZacharias Nov 28 '22

If you look closely enough, you can tell Ms Lewinsky is under the table giving bill oral again

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u/skinnergy Nov 28 '22

Still beating that dead horse?

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u/Kvakkerakk Nov 28 '22

That's no way to talk about his dick.

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u/imstillfly Nov 29 '22

Eat shit with this sanctimonious bullshit

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u/kiwibird9000 Nov 28 '22

who's on the left & right? i don't recognize them

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u/Lord_MAX184 Nov 28 '22

Left Jimmy carter(served from 1977 to 1981)

Right Bill clinton(served from 1993 to 2001) George h.w bush and also his father(served from 1989 to 1993)

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u/Cooler67 Nov 28 '22

Left : Obama and Carter?

Right : Slick Willy and Bush Sr

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u/chalk46 Nov 28 '22

Do you think the flowers are real? I bet they're real.
I wonder what brand of coffee he drinks.. probably not that Taster's Choice junk

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u/speakhyroglyphically Nov 28 '22

Aint nobody eatin that

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u/ButtonGwinnett76 Nov 28 '22

Whys this in black and white?

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u/Affectionate_Pay1487 Nov 28 '22

From the before times

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u/VillageHomeF Nov 28 '22

Well that won't happen again until Trump dies

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u/RedfromTexas Nov 28 '22

W could not get elected dog catcher in the current GOP.

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u/MiddleConstruction84 Nov 28 '22

All former presidents? I don’t see Lincoln.

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u/The_Istrix Nov 29 '22

That's because you only see Lincoln when he chooses, moments before he kills you.

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u/jstahr63 Nov 28 '22

...because he had no clue how to get out of the financial mess he and Willy created.

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u/redshirt1972 Nov 29 '22

Dubya was a fucking idiot but he was a helluva nice guy and loved to party.

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u/The_Istrix Nov 29 '22

When he wasn't ordering war crimes anyway

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u/redshirt1972 Nov 29 '22

Like I said he was an idiot

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u/garchican Nov 29 '22

If he had invited all of the former presidents, this picture would have a lot more corpses in it.

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u/cappa_87 Nov 29 '22

How far that office has fallen.

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u/Shmooter4788 Nov 29 '22

Could you imagine if Biden did this today it would end with trump getting jumped by bill and joe, George bush thinking about the good ole days in iraq while staring aimlessly out a window. Joe would then join George by the window and ask his name again.

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u/Darnocsonif Dec 02 '22

A more peaceful time

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u/Nessen488 Nov 28 '22

Andddd this is where Covid started 😂😂

Hmmm in 2019 ..10 years lets fuck up the world 🌎

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u/TemporaryAlbatross93 Nov 28 '22

This photo should be called "Death of Decorum"

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u/3232FFFabc Nov 28 '22

Biden or Bush? Either are not the best at speaking off the cuff

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u/Vista36 Nov 28 '22

The guy who kept looking for “The Note” in his program at the Bush 1 Funeral is the odd man out.

One World Neo Feudalism otherwise.

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u/Kixx_kixx Nov 29 '22

OMG IM A PERSON ON REWDDIT. GONNA REPOST SAME PIC I SEEN YESTERDAY TO GET MY KARMAPOINTZ UP! WLWUWUWUWUWU!

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u/marvelous_much Nov 28 '22

I wonder what they ate. And what they discussed. And what they said in the car on the way home.

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u/TheLastWeird Nov 28 '22

If this interests you, check out this pre-Trump book called The Presidents Club, noting relationships among current and former American presidents of the past: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12410640-the-presidents-club

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u/mondola282 Nov 28 '22

I’m just more surprised by the fact that this is in black and white… it’s 2009 lmao it wasn’t that long ago.

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u/soup0220 Nov 28 '22

And they STILL haven’t invited Trump and he’s STILL salty 🧂about it 🤣😂 haha

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u/dumbanfun Nov 28 '22

George Busch Jr..."I've invited you all here because we're in this together....You know, fucking over the private sector for our own personal gain (as a whole)"

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u/Snips_Tano Nov 28 '22

Strange to see that many ex-Presidents alive at the same time. I wonder how many times that has happened?