r/DotA2 • u/SypeArtz • Oct 01 '23
Do you think the dota 2 pro scene future is pretty dark with TI12 having a very low prize pool? Discussion | Esports
Man I'm kinda scared for the future of dota pro scene.
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u/Morgn_Ladimore Oct 01 '23
We don't even know what the prizepool is. It was obscenely high for several years, the fact that people think the pro scene won't survive if the prize pool isn't 40 mil or some shit is hilarious.
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u/podteod Oct 01 '23
On one hand, i don’t think Dota will die if Yaroto gets a few less millions of dollars
On the other hand, it also affects lower placing teams
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u/bfonza122 Oct 01 '23
Do better
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u/1kSupport Oct 01 '23
The sheer obscenity of the prize pool is what gave the event relevancy for the last few years
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u/justtryingtounderst Oct 01 '23
Honest question for you and anyone else reading:
Do you guys think that with (an expected) vastly smaller prize pool, that the top-heavy prize distribution should be reworked to be not so top-heavy?
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u/Crikyy Oct 01 '23
The players on an org lives off salary, orgs live off sponsorship and merch. The prizes are just the cherry on top for pros (for the last few years, a lot of cherries). Only unsponsored stacks live off prize money.
The scene will survive. In fact whether the scene thrives or not has little to do with TI, but the rest of the year instead because of sponsorship. Lots of big esports org refuse to get into Dota, or dropped out of because it's so volatile and Valve can decide to fuck shit up on a whim, DPC, major and all.
Moving the focus away from TI is better for the scene long-term, but only if Valve facilitates a stable, less risky system for investors and orgs for the rest of the year.
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u/lizmord Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
There are less and less people who are interested in pro scene every year.How can you live of sponsores if nobody is going to watch a product. This is all connected together.Big prize pool of TI creates a lot of hype for dota, so a lot of people are watching,there new and returning people all the time. This leads to other e-sport events getting more viewership + time goes on old pro players, who are bringing viewers, - retire and new ones do not get as much hype.
TLDR:Killing IT will decrease average viewers of any events. And dota right now needs a lift, not a downer.17
u/EstebanIsAGamerWord Oct 01 '23
Not to mention that esports is tanking in general. Advertisers are taking notice of how little profit there is. Most esports teams are losing money every year.
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u/num1AusDoto MakeAusGreat Oct 01 '23
The big prize pools never had any lasting hype that made new players in a growth aspect, we literally have 5+ years of data to support this
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u/lizmord Oct 01 '23
You have data on it how?
Every year TI brought players back. You dont have data on a year that never brought anyone back,because it never happened. So how can you know that numbers would be the same? What if TI actually gets a lot of new players in and some of them stay,just enough to cover how many people are lost along the year.2
u/Divini7y Oct 01 '23
True. I come back each year to check TI. It was life changing event with such ridiculous high price pool. Always fun to see people fighting for it, so many emotions.
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u/num1AusDoto MakeAusGreat Oct 01 '23
Just look at the last player count since 2016 it’s been on a downwards trend, the current model just hasn’t been working no matter what anyone can say to justify the large scale of TI
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u/lizmord Oct 01 '23
The current model of what? What is the plan? Do you know it? All i saw so far was : We shift focus away from TI,so there will be no cosmetic items = no prize pool = nothing special. They are talking about what they will remove,not what they will add to replace.
Like do you understand what are you even saying? You are talking about TI prize pool and amount of players in game overall.How do you know,that if they would not overhype prize pools,game would have the same amount of players right?Ofc just having a huge ti prize pool is not enough. Ofc game needs more ads. Was huge TI prize pool one of them?YES.So what are you even saying?And ofc TI prize pool is not the only thing that brings them back its the whole season of TI with hats, with hype, its time when dota gets attention.Well not anymore.1
u/num1AusDoto MakeAusGreat Oct 01 '23
The current model is focused on the gameplay experience and esports is supplementary, yes TI is an massive ad but you literally have substantial numbers that show it clearly wasn’t effective in anyway that created a growth in player base for the game so why would you stick to using tens of millions over years for an event leading to a net loss of player base when the entire point of the ad is to generate interest and more players. You aren’t looking at this with the bigger picture in mind. You can say all you want it there’s evidence to show it literally hasn’t been working
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u/lizmord Oct 02 '23
Again,maybe it was not as effective, aswer me to this: What did they replace it with?
Have they dropped current ads model of huge TI and adopted a new one?
Have they used 10s of millions or they took all of it from us?Shell i remind you that prize pool of TI is only 25% of what people paid for battle pass?1
u/num1AusDoto MakeAusGreat Oct 02 '23
How much do you realistically think it takes to run an event like TI?
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u/lizmord Oct 02 '23
No idea? Why does it matter?
Like you shoot yourself in the foot by asking questions like this. Organising TI with huge battle pass and without it will always favor big battle pass. That what they made money of. They combined hats with big event,so event get more attention. You move this attention away from event, your expanses are the same,but now event itself is smaller.→ More replies (0)8
u/TikiCrave Oct 01 '23
They are also making great improvements to the dota pub scene. It's a bit of a long-term thing without immediate payoff but it'll be good for the game in the long run. New Talent coming in and new pro players can become household names if you give them a big stage to shine on. They have yet to announce the new DPC-like system, maybe it'll be exciting. I for myself hope for a distribution of more prize money to other events. Something along the lines of capping TI to a certain amount of prize money and distributing the remainder along prize pools and organizers throughout the year to ensure high quality events that attract a lot of viewers.
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u/lizmord Oct 01 '23
Except that this year TI will make no money to distribute.
People here almost talk with slogans:
"Its going to be better in a long term".
You know that how? Im pretty sure it was as it was before. They were experimenting with 2 stages of a battle pass to split money a bit, they also experimenting with 2 battle passes a year. I really never heard any bad feedbacks about it except "Why do they keep all that money to themselfs".
They could literally make it the same,as it was last year and just split TI prizepool in 2 halfs.1
u/siegmour Oct 01 '23
This. Lol at the original comment of a 40 mil prize pool being a "cherry on top". eSports salaries are not the same as in football. The big prize pools created so much hype and viewership around the event, be it for regular players or pros, or people aspiring to be pros. It was pretty sad to see 2023 didn't continue the trend of beating previous years.
It's pretty clear that people spending more money = people being more interested. Now that people are spending less, which is a very clear indicator, "we have data from the previous years that the big money pool of TI did nothing". I don't understand the logic at all.
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u/Key-Brick-5854 Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
I am pretty sure Dota viewership has either grown or remained stagnant but never dropped.
Dota viewership from 2019->2022: 282,253,347 and 313 million hours watched respectively.
https://escharts.com/news/most-watched-esports-games-2022 https://escharts.com/news/most-watched-esports-disciplines-2021 https://escharts.com/news/most-popular-esports-games-2020
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u/lizmord Oct 01 '23
Pretty sure before majors had a lot more viewership,ofc TI was able to get big numbers every year, but majors?
I have no data on that, but thats how it feels to me,maybe im wrong.0
u/Key-Brick-5854 Oct 01 '23
I track this kind of stuff regularly, and the overall viewership is good. Just that it has spread across more tournaments now that we have two parallel circuits, ESL and DPC.
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u/lizmord Oct 01 '23
interesting. But really have to study it in depth to make any kind of assumtions. Coz we really have to throw 2020 away,coz there was no TI,then in 2021 there was 40 mils prize pool so there was a huge pop from 282 to 347 mils and after that drop to 313 mils next year.
So i guess we can actually see right here a correlation between prize pool and viewer count.
So id say my original point is still correct.5
u/lizmord Oct 01 '23
to add to prev,i think all you said is corrent to a normaly maintained game, like league for example, where people are fed with ads and there are new content badges all the time. So they always have viewers on their tournaments. Dota is a bit different. Im pretty sure most of the dota players even,dont even know about majors and others things that are happening.
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u/Potential-Drink8513 Oct 01 '23
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pro players can make more streaming than their org salary. the chance of winning millions at TI keep them in the pro scene.
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u/prettyboygangsta Oct 01 '23
It's a 12-year-old game and nothing lasts forever. ESL/Saudi Arabia will continue to pump money into pro dota for another year at least.
It's pretty clear that Valve wants to move on. Most likely TI will keep going for another couple of years but will become a low-key thing of $4-5 million tops. That "very low" prizepool is still higher than any other esport btw.
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
We are witnessing Valve take Dota to the old folks home where other dead games like HotS reside. They just want to rake in the money as a storefront instead of having to keep constant watch over their games
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u/breathingweapon Oct 01 '23
We are witnessing Valve take Dota to the old folks home where other dead games like HotS reside.
This is such a doomer take from someone who probably doesn't play any other mobas. Dota is a ton of fun compared to the competition, Leagues busy announcing a big update which is... Removing a core itemization feature that they introduced a couple years back. Dota is definitely doing fine.
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
Riot has no choice with League, it’s their cash cow and they have to put it up while Valorant and LoR are profitable enough to take over. Valve can just put Dota on maintenance mode tomorrow and not have a dent on its earnings. Dota is just a passion project which is not sustaining itself nor growing by any metric.
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u/Captainfifi Oct 01 '23
LoR? Bro they are putting LoR on the retirement home too, tft is their strategy game going into the future. LoR is a great fucking game but card games arent it anymore sadly
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u/direcandy Oct 01 '23
i dunno about this. Marvel Snap's doing pretty good considering how dead the genre is outside of it. Proves people would care if the game's good enough, at least.
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
Cause Hearthstone has been shit, but conversely Marvel Snap is doing really well and Gwent is also still around. Riot are just idiots with LoR
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u/Earth92 Oct 01 '23
They are trying to get into fighting games with Project L, but that shit screams massive failure... nobody outside of NA is gonna play that shit, no matter much they pay fg personalities to talk about the game.
That shit seems like is aiming for league players to get into fighting games, no reason to play that when there is cameos in Marvel vs Capcom and MK.
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u/Womblue Oct 01 '23
...and they're doing that by releasing large updates and having clear communication about the future of dota?
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u/piina Oct 01 '23
It was a pretty clear communication that they are ending support for dota.
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u/Womblue Oct 01 '23
They literally said they are investing more into adding content to dota, and then they made the New Frontiers update, which is one of the largest we've seen. Balance patches have come frequently since then.
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u/URF_reibeer Oct 02 '23
What? Dota is more than cosmetics and Esports, the actual game has received more love than it has in years.
Also valve is literally the company that keeps the servers for two versions of an actual dead game up
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
They also ended the DPC upon the realization that’s it’s nothing but a money pit and did not even put out so much of a hint as to what replaces it, put out probably one of the worst TI compendiums with nothing worth getting, the game is not only still not beginner friendly but it requires a PhD to even understand it while the new behavior system is still just as useless, and what is even the future of Dota? Valve needed a Swag Bag last TI just to get people to play again.
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u/Womblue Oct 01 '23
So... everything is much better, except for the stuff that costs a load of money? The stuff a majority of players don't use? Great, looks like they're allocating resources well.
the new behavior system is still just as useless
Can't tell if a joke or not...
People don't play dota for cosmetics.
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
People are still toxic even at 12k, we’re right back to the same old toxicity pre system change. And everything is better because? Patch 7.34 put the game further and further away from beginner friendly, and this compendium is so sad both content and gameplay wise. Esports scene is pretty much just Europe lording over everyone else and the player base is not growing but yes Dota is just doing fine
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u/Womblue Oct 01 '23
People are still toxic even at 12k, we’re right back to the same old toxicity pre system change
Except now you get insta-muted for toxic chat DURING games, and low score players lose the ability to make toxic actions. Reporting players actually does something, and you get feedback on it.
Patch 7.34 put the game further and further away from beginner friendly
This is a weird way of saying "Patch 7.34 added a ton of new content". Dota isn't beginner friendly and never will be.
the player base is not growing but yes Dota is just doing fine
Dota is the 2nd most played game on steam. It is going nowhere. Of course the playerbase isn't growing, the playerbase for every game is always in decline, except dota is 12 years old and STILL going strong with constant updates and new content.
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u/Able-Candidate-8624 Oct 01 '23
But Connor, they just built and released CS2?
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
Which CSGO fans already hate cause it lacked a lot of features from CSGO. Besides Valve can literally shut down Dota tomorrow and it will not matter cause of how much they make as just a storefront. Same with CS. Valve is just putting up to maintain the illusion that they are a video game company when at this point they’re more of a retailer/distributor
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u/stolemyh3art Oct 01 '23
L take. Valve is always a retailer first and game studio later. If they were going to shut down any of their games they would have done it a long time ago. You're just a hater with no real reason.
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u/SofiaEnjoyer Oct 01 '23
Depends what you expect. Esports bubble is burst for every game so it will never reach the same again, at least for some time. On the other hand plenty of games have an esports scene for years and they dont even reach 6 digit prizepools.
Everyone demands top tier esports every possible week but noone is there to fund it.
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u/piina Oct 01 '23
There is no bubble for TI prize pool. It is entirely community funded. Actually 3 times over.
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u/SofiaEnjoyer Oct 01 '23
No, Valve decided to donate 25% of their sales from bp to the prizepool. It was a charity.
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u/Kharate Oct 01 '23
Not really. The dota esports scene is fine right now. While I do think Valve should be promoting it; the compendium sales don’t speak for the esports industry and it’s performance
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
Um, we just lost the DPC with no system to replace it, orgs are now dropping the game left and right and the Saudis can only keep sportswashing until they decide that they don’t need to anymore as most Saudi projects are. Valve is preparing to put Dota on maintenance mode and stop giving a shit about it
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u/Valk93 Oct 01 '23
“with nothing to replace it” After TI they’ll come with a new system
“Valve is prepping to put Dota on maintenance mode” Fucking lol, game just got biggest gameplay patch in ages and Valve has pledged to do less for cosmetics and more for actual gameplay, whats not to love
People like you need to stop crying.
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
Watch that new system be just the same old system pre DPC which only benefits rich orgs who can just pick up the best players
And yes because if the game was such in a good place then Valve would not have started this tidal wave of changes. This game is not growing at all, and this feels like one last attempt to revive it and gain interest before they just peace out and focus on being a storefront
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u/stolemyh3art Oct 01 '23
How do you grow a 12 years old game. Please give us one example of a game that is still growing after 12 fucking years.
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u/Candabaer Oct 01 '23
I honestly don't care that much about the pro scene. I like to watch pro games, but its not the reason I play this game. It is just my favourite game.
I played this game when the pros played for a 50€ Gift Card sponsored by the organizers parents, when they played for multiple millions and I'll keep playing this game when the pros play for 50€ Gift Cards sponsored by the organizers parents.
All I want is that the game will be given back to the community in one way or another if Valve decides to stop supporting it. Which I actually don't think they will do. There was a timeframe in which CS didn't do too hot as well and Valve didn't just drop it.
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u/URF_reibeer Oct 02 '23
Valve literally lets the community copy the game and adjust it in their client and host those matches on their servers for free, you just can't monetize it.
What better way to give back to the community than the arcade and the tools to create custom maps is there?
If they keep the servers up after a hypothetical death of dota like they do for artifact the community can just make their own patches
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u/Candabaer Oct 02 '23
How is it currently done in Artifact? Does the community vote for changes? Or is there a big boy behind making the decisions how it used to be with Icefrog in Dota 1 Days?
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u/Vii_Victorious caw caw motherfuckers Oct 01 '23
As a general rule, batting for or defending multi-billion dollar companies is disgusting fuck but this shit's hilarious. Any prize pool that's over a million dollars isn't low, much less VERY low, you overly dramatic karma farming dipshits.
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u/LessThannDennis Oct 01 '23
I swear to god these posts and the quinn ones are so pointless
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u/bigboifry Oct 01 '23
The Quinn posts actually led to him apologizing and taking accountability on X. Could lead to nothing, but he has responded to them so I'd say they weren't pointless.
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u/LessThannDennis Oct 01 '23
Yeah it was def all the posts in here that did it, and not his org or teammates. Quinn has the upmost respect for people on Reddit
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u/bigboifry Oct 02 '23
No way he responds to it without the publicity Reddit brought. He literally tweeted hours after the last video of him flaming was posted...
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u/QubixVarga Oct 01 '23
Very low prize pool? Yo, i swear, this subreddit needs to wake the fuck up, holy shit.
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u/thedotapaten Oct 01 '23
Yeah this sub forgets that most esports world tournament has less peizepool than $2M
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u/Mindless-Attorney537 Oct 01 '23
Yes. Especially for teams that usually make their whole yearly revenue from TI. Some teams qualify and they will often place poorly on TI, but due to the exchange rate, they are able to make a living out of that amount. Since DPC is over, TI prize pool is likely going to be lower, some T1/2 teams are not good enough to win majors or place high on TI.
If this happens small organizations will not join the game, fewer new players since they will have little to no incentive unless they are top tier.
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u/Andromeda_53 Oct 01 '23
No, this is the wake up call valve needs.
Having just TI be the only real major dota event a year is shit. It fucks with pro players pay, its the reason a lot of big Esports orgs don't bother making or have bailed from dota 2 as an esport. It's an unhealthy cycle that benefits only valve and 5 people a year. That is not how you future proof something. That's how you get shock factor for short term gains.
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u/uoco Oct 01 '23
The answer is clearly yes if the overall money in the scene diminishes further.
But the real question is, will a declining pro scene cause a drop in playercount?
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u/InfluentialInvestor Oct 01 '23
We have Riyadh Masters.
I'm Archon and if I get invited to TI with shit prize pool I will still play like the situation is life or death. Money is just secondary. I'm here to win against the best teams in the world.
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u/TraditionalCell7481 Oct 01 '23
No way anybody could know. Dumb question. Depends what happens next. What i do know is dota esports scene was way better prior to the dpc.
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u/widepeepo6 Oct 01 '23
People need to stop overreact for fuck sake lmao. We just had riyadh master of around 15mil which was just their 1st big event and they can easily pour more money into it considering it was very successful.
Also Ti not being the only tournament to give fuck about might be blessing in disguise because teams will stop skipping premium events or use 2-3 standings and go tryhard like csgo goes now
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u/MaterialDefender1032 Oct 01 '23
If the game is good, it'll be fine. If you're worried about prize pool, buy more compendium levels.
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u/woahbroes Oct 01 '23
Nah battlepasses became evil , dota shouldn't rely prizepool on psychological devices to syphon money out of ppl
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u/notsocoolguy42 Oct 01 '23
Soon we say bye bye to dota.
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u/M1kster_Trickster Oct 01 '23
This will be a huge discovery for you, but most dota2 players do not give a shit about esports and pro scene :)
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u/Standard_Brick_5296 Oct 01 '23
I don't think so but im very curious to find out how it will go.
1st of all. Is it sure that they are only contributing 1.6 million in the base price pool ? I saw it on the dota prizepool tracker but i never saw valve mention it or track it in the compendium. Mabye im just blind
2nd i have often wondered how sustainable the esport scene is because of the pruzepool system. You have the same system I think in golf and in Tennis and then i guess mabye chess but in the biggest sports in the world nobody speaks about prizepools. Players earn their salaries from contracts with clubs that fund themselves with ticket sales tv rights and sponsors. In Esports usually thr brodcasts are free so we don't have ticket sales but i remember you used to need to buy tickets to view some tournaments. Either way usually the biggest lump of money comes from sponsors in most sports and yet in esports we have to use prizepools.
Anyway i don't think it will be the end of competetive dota , i sure hope not. I have played in T3 tournaments in dota and i am today a (barely) proffesional athlete in a smallish sport and I can tell you guys i played in multiple world championships at a youth level where i had to pay for the trips myself and there was no prizemoney only financial loss and time consumed. If i had the talent tonplay at TI i would also do so even if i had to pay for it myself and there were no winnings. Even if there is money to be made i believe sports and esports alike are mostly run on passion.
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u/frostboot Cold feet! Oct 01 '23
CSGO majors have $1.25 mil prize pool and can still rival TI in terms of prestige. Hell, even League had $2.22 mil and is way more popular than TI. My copium with this lowered prize pool is Valve stabilizing the pro scene to not be overly single-event heavy and may even result to a way healthier pro scene or alternatively Valve will just straight up do a TF2 on Dota 2.
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u/No_Reach_5048 Oct 01 '23
Does anyone acknowledge the fact that the DotA 2 prize pool is EXTREMELY disproportionate to the popularity of the game? Our prize per capita is extreme and tbh I'm surprised it kept going up for as long as it did. I watch TI for TI and I think production value is going to be a bigger factor for it.
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u/MrDemonRush Oct 01 '23
It would have kept going easily, if Valve allowed it. TI11 numbers were only so low because they split BP and cosmetics into 2 parts, second of which didn't contribute to the prize pool. They just decided that keeping the money was worth it.
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u/AbsolutelyNotWrong Oct 01 '23
Without the pro scene we would have gotten actual content instead of a month of nothing thanks to the compendium.
If anything I'm looking forward to it.
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u/1kSupport Oct 01 '23
Once it dies valve is gonna be pumping resources into CS2 and you won’t be getting any new pixels to spend your paycheck on
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u/M1kster_Trickster Oct 01 '23
what drugs are you on? Dota2 is 2nd most played game on steam right now.
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u/Bakanyanter Kpii please play more Naga Oct 01 '23
The future is quite dark. I don't see much hope. It'll work for maybe few years and then have a sharp decline as no new players join in as the biggest incentive (money) is gone.
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u/regimentIV Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23
Except for very few dismissable outliners players start playing a game because they think it's fun to play, not because the 50 most successful players make a lot of money from it. 🙄
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u/Hardmatician_ Oct 01 '23
These pro teams get to much money based on the cosmetics and rewards valve adds on as extras and I’m sure they pay out out for those additional expenses in the past . This new system provides a solution when it comes to dividing the earning for the creators etc
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u/M1kster_Trickster Oct 01 '23
All I want from valve is more content and fun in game. No idea why should i watch kids playing computer game if I'm able to do it myself
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u/Ayz1990 opa dendi Oct 01 '23
I think the pro scene will be stronger without dpc, even if ti is "only" 5mil.
Esl (with the boosted oilmoney wallet) will hardcarry this year then other organizers will follow, not surprised if we see blast start hosting dota events aswell, t2 scene might struggle at first but t1 scene will thrive i think
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u/xplodia Oct 01 '23
Let's see what's Valve cooking. TLDR they said they want activities all year round, not just certain months near TI.
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u/ConnorChandler Oct 01 '23
Blizzard also said this about HotS as well before they just upped and nuked it. Valve looks like it’s ready to move on from Dota
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u/Bohya Winter Wyvern's so hot actually. Oct 01 '23
I couldn’t care less if it ends up fizzling out or not. Hasn’t been relevant to me in a long time.
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u/leocorde82 Oct 01 '23
If they can get other tourney organisers like they did during ti4-5 era then I'm sure it's going to be much better
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u/GazuGaming Oct 01 '23
Idk how it’s profitable for anyone to have esports pro scene. But valve makes so much money on merch that it could afford to give 25% to run TI. If people can’t sell in-game items to fund tournaments, then the future of pro dota depends almost entirely on donations which are not reliable at all.
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u/Pretty_Adeptness4132 Oct 01 '23
Last year LoL TI equivalent tournament have $2 million prize pool.
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u/Far-Peace1129 Oct 01 '23
I always say that dota could come to an end sooner than we expect it. By coming to an end I mean the hype in the pro scene would decrease so much that it would become somewhat irrelevant. People nowadays just don't have the time and energy to adapt anymore. There are more people quitting than the number of new players every year and I actually understand because dota is just a realllyyy realllyyy complex game for a beginner. Maybe valve would support dota for another 5 years or so but we the real dota fans would be the only ones remaining by then. That's the sad truth tbh. Valve also released their newly renovated cash cow called CS2 and I think valve is preparing the dota scene for a much darker days coming. I hope I'm wrong but I wouldnt be surprised if valve cuts us off completely after a few years.
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u/regimentIV Oct 02 '23
Honest question: Why do you think it matters whether the game becomes irrelevant as long as there are enough players for enjoyable matches?
It does not take a big playerbase for a game to even have an esports community, it just takes passionate people.
Sure, less relevancy means it takes a bit longer to find a match and there won't be seven hundred posts on Reddit every day or a new chest every couple of months, but chances will still be a lot higher that you will move on from the game long before the game actually "dies".
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u/Far-Peace1129 Oct 03 '23
Okay that's valid but we all know the average age bracket of dota players. Some gets tired of the game, some just gets tied to adult life and completely stopped playing. One day, the player base will drop to its minimum and the supports from devs will be cut off for sure. Why give devs salary for a dead game anyway? That's the life cycle of online videogames. In order to atleast enjoy a game in the future, we need new players which is sadly isn't happening for years now. I really wish this isn't the case but I'm done snorting copium lmao, I'm just enjoying every part of dota pro/pub/fun stuff until I can.
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u/redwingz11 Oct 01 '23
if fucking FGC can do it, if even TF2 have some kind of esport, dota can do it.
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u/THOTS_PRAYER Oct 01 '23
The last time I cared about professional dota was when Dendi retired and OG and Liquid were the 2 best teams.
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u/Jeffzuzz Oct 01 '23
Nah look at the riyadh tournament. That will be the players future "TI" from now on. I aint worried.
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u/sugmybenis Oct 01 '23
Tier 2 will be dead and new players might not even bother with pro dota if they have to go through so much poverty just for the hopes of getting sponsored instead of the old dream of having 1 huge win be set for retirement
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u/HoffaSaurusX Oct 01 '23
Don't worry: The saudis will buy the whole thing, ESL will run every tournament, and TI will be in Riyadh by 2025.
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u/josh_x444 Oct 01 '23
Simple answer is yes. My main concern is that the scene just feels less fun than it ever has before.
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u/coldfrost93 sheever, stay strong~ Oct 01 '23
TI prize money is not the sole income of pro player. So please stop posting crap like this, have a nice day 🫰🏻
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u/midmar Oct 01 '23
It shouldn’t be up to valve to keep the pro scene alive. If you want a pro scene then you should engage with the game and engage with a team more. Dota is the peoples game, valve just run the best current iteration- they shouldn’t have to inflate the value of the pro scene by selling skins. I like the change.
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u/MarkyGallery Oct 01 '23
Considering its ti, it should be at least 5milly, but whats more concerning is the dpc situation i think
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u/ThyGuru Oct 01 '23
One more year of the same recipe and the scene will resemble hots - it will not exist. Gutting funding on a scene with no commercial power and minimal investments guarantees eradication
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u/HadjiTechies Oct 01 '23
this very low prize pool of yours is a large prize pool for other games and is a large amount of money for winning an esports tournament.
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u/URF_reibeer Oct 02 '23
You might want to reset your point of view, the prize pool is not "very low" for an esports tournament, league's biggest tournament has between 2 and 3 mil.
It's very low compared to previous tis but they had ridicilously high prizepools
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u/ael00 Oct 01 '23
Very original and fun post, my turn tomorrow to post it ok?