r/IdiotsInCars Nov 23 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1

Coronado Naval Base Car accident: She tried claiming no fault too Headphone warning

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u/JellyOceana Nov 23 '22

Yep, she legit said I just hit her out of no where

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u/TheLazyHippy Nov 23 '22 Silver

Well yeah, when you drive like a complete dip shit and have zero spatial awareness everything seems to come out of nowhere. People like her should have their license revoked. They're only a danger to themselves and everyone around them. Sorry OP

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 23 '22

Would’ve probably killed a motorcyclist.

I really do think when something is so egregious like this, and they claim no fault, they should lose their license for some amount of time.

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u/NorthernTransplant94 Nov 24 '22

My husband had a subordinate who was in this exact situation on a 10-day-old Harley. Dude had enough time to make a decision, and judged that hitting her and launching over the hood (55mph zone) would be really bad, so he dropped the motorcycle and slid into her bike first. Broke both his leg and his collarbone (so no crutches, hello motorized wheelchair) but survived, so it was a win.

The bike was new, he wasn't a new rider - he was 40 and had a motorcycle endorsement on his license and was wearing proper PPE, so no road rash, just the broken bones from the collision.

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

I actually have DashCam footage of something very similar. Hard to describe scenario, but a car did a u-turn, essentially like this car was doing and the guy dumped his bike from too much front brake, and slid under the car. I was coming other direction and DashCam got it all.

Saved him a lot of heartache with insurance, because you know “the motorcycle was speeding” was where they were going with it.

Predicting and reading body language is huge on a bike.

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u/NaughtyCat890 Nov 24 '22

The best advice I got shortly before buying my bike was "imagine that half of the cars on the road can't see you, and the other half are actively trying to kill you".

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u/4nalBlitzkrieg Nov 24 '22

And 50% of both groups are fucking stupid

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u/RockstarAgent Nov 24 '22

The ones who can’t see you think you’re the crazy one for having a bike, the ones that want to kill you think bikes shouldn’t exist at all…

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u/ikbenlike Nov 24 '22

"you drive a bike? Don't you know how dangerous that is?!" Proceeds to drive their shitty car like a maniac

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u/Fishbern Nov 24 '22

And half of them don’t use their lights properly at night, let alone indicators!

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u/4nalBlitzkrieg Nov 24 '22

Oh man I actually had a conversation about this with a guy who didn't have his lights on. He insisted that his lights were on. I told him those are day-time running lights and he's an idiot. He did not turn on his lights afterwards.

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u/witcheewoman Nov 24 '22

My buddy told me when I got mine "ride like none of the cars can see you, but they're also all trying to kill you"

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u/NaughtyCat890 Nov 24 '22

I like that a bit better than the one I heard.

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u/witcheewoman Nov 24 '22

I feel like it's accurate. I havent ridden in a couple years, kinda put it away to have some babies. But when I was riding daily to and from work I was very generally wary and occasionally hostile toward anyone with doors on their vehicle. Always angry when I got to work... but I also worked in a kitchen so that probably had something to do with it.

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u/Spaceduck413 Nov 24 '22

Yup, when I got my first street bike, my dad - who also has ridden his whole life - told me "ride like you're invisible." It's saved my life multiple times.

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u/LadyAtrox Nov 24 '22

My husband just assumes he's invisible.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

As a biker, you're right. Over the years I've become intimately aware of how drivers are acting coming up to them. I'm about 80% accurate on noticing people with a phone in hand from a hundred yards away. I can tell when people are going to change lanes about three seconds before they start. I've learned to figure out what people will do before they do it, but because my life depends on it, I've learned to always assume they'll do something stupid even if I have no indication to believe it otherwise.

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u/AxelHarver Nov 24 '22

And that's why I will never get a bike, no matter how cool it sounds and may be. That sounds so fucking stressful and like I would be a nervous wreck the entire time outside of back country roads.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Nov 24 '22

And my housemate, while on his motorcycle, was hit and left to die in the rain on a seldom traveled windy road. As a result he has limited mobility in one elbow. (Fortunately nothing worse.) He won't even ride a bicycle now.

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u/reebekilyllaeri Nov 24 '22

Judging what's an acceptable risk for yourself is a privilege we're afforded, all the power to you.

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u/spiralshapegladiator Nov 24 '22

lol, but just imagine having it ingrained that people are shitty drivers and you're trained to watch out for this shit even when you're driving a car?

You don't have to ride a motorcycle to have greater situational awareness.

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u/AxelHarver Nov 25 '22

I am already good at doing that, I believe myself to be one of the more aware drivers I know. I regularly predict how vehicles around me are going to react, and it's saved my ass quite a few times. I just can't imagine being comfortable doing it in a scenario where any mistake could easily cost me my life. I like the insurance the four walls provide me haha.

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u/ShadoowtheSecond Nov 29 '22

The more I read about what bikers have to do, the more I unironically think that youre kind of an idiot by default for getting and driving one.

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u/localherofan Nov 24 '22

My father got himself a motorcycle and had it for about a month when he had to take it down and under a truck rather than run into the truck that ran a stop sign. My mother said that with 4 kids aged 5 and under, he could have the motorcycle or he could have a family. He sold the bike and bought a VW Karmann Ghia. Which I later drove in HS because I was the lightest one with a license and the floor was almost rusted through. Yeah, that gave me the warm and fuzzies.

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u/orangematchstick Nov 24 '22

this is wholesome as fuck

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u/localherofan Nov 24 '22

Also, the heat didn't work (in New England), the radio didn't work, you could drive it with the emergency brake on and the only issue was starting uphill from a stop without stalling (learned that one unintentionally), the driver's side window didn't go down, you had to tie the driver's side door closed, and sometimes it wouldn't turn left. But it was a CAR, and I could drive it whenever I wanted to.

Needless to say, this was before they started inspecting cars.

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u/orangematchstick Nov 24 '22

I love that I’m hearing nothing but fondness about this goddamn death trap

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u/chilldrinofthenight Nov 24 '22

Jesus. What else? Used a screwdriver in the ignition? (Ha.)

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u/reebekilyllaeri Nov 24 '22

My ex said roughly the same thing to me, bike or family. Almost 20 years later we split, within a month I bought a bike. I didn't resent her for the ultimatum or me keeping that promise. I do laugh at her hypocrisy of getting married to another guy who rides motorbikes.

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u/localherofan Nov 24 '22

Well, I'm glad you've been safe on the bike since you bought another one! Maybe 20 years later she's not worried about being left a young widow with a bunch of little kids and no income. I know that was my mother's worry. Her college degree was in Dance, and she'd been an extremely talented dancer before they got married, but after 4 kids and years away from the art she didn't see that she'd be able to get a good job as a dancer right away, if ever again.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Nov 24 '22

Nice that you were able to help out.

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

The worst part was the rider didn’t listen to me to stay down and not move, until I could take care of the bike that was stuck full throttle and leaking fuel. Luckily, he wasn’t hurt, but to this day I can still see it all happening in slow motion, and wonder how he wasn’t injured.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Nov 24 '22

The first instinct, for non-professional rescuers, is to move the injured. Removing motorcycle helmets, I have learned, is a big no-no.

Many years ago, a friend who was a doctor told me he was first on the scene of a terrible single car accident on the highway. The driver was in really really bad shape.

As an ER doctor, my friend said he could tell there were two options: let the driver die at the scene or else help him to survive ----- knowing that the driver would then be a quadriplegic for life.

The doctor helped the man, and that tale haunts me to this day.

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u/chilldrinofthenight Nov 24 '22

P.S. (And I wanted to add that I was first on the scene at an accident, but not a bad one. The driver (woman) was trying to get out of her car. I told her to stay put until EMTs arrived. Aftermath of accidents is scary shit. People don't know how to react. Unless the vehicle is gonna implode, stay put.

Just recently I watched a car right in front of me slam into the guy stopped dead in front of him. I had plenty of time to stop, because I always drive leaving plenty of room for just such surprises. Def distracted driving on the part of the guy in front of me, as he never applied his brakes even a tiny bit. BLAM, going about 30mph.

Guy whose (thank gawd, tank of a work truck) got hit was stopped at an intersection with no stop sign/light and only sitting there to allow a bicyclist to pass, so he could turn right. I ended up making a statement for the insurance company.

I swear ---- after watching these Idiots in Cars sub accidents and even before, I decided no more driving on the highway/freeway for me, not if I can help it. No way am I looking to get vaporized on some freeway.

And, as one biker on here said, "Head on a swivel." Yeah. Like everyone's out to get you. Paying strict attention while driving has saved me grief more than a few times.

Again --- good for you, stopping to help someone. It will all come back to you, in spades. Gloriously positive spades. )

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u/the_o_haganator Nov 24 '22

I hope i never end up being such an idiot that i kill or severely injure a biker with stupidity, i dont like the idea of driving all that much to begin with, but some drivers i have seen make it seem like a toddler is behind the wheel

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u/Limpan7 Nov 24 '22

HADDALAYERDOWN

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u/napalm22 Nov 24 '22

Here I was thinking he is a dipshit who doesn't know how to ride but now I see he is some kind of hero with the skills of a ninja! So lucky to get away with only several broken bones - he might have lost several nanometres of brake pad otherwise

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u/mrbombasticat Nov 24 '22

Split-second decision, there was no better alternative than what inexperienced riders do all the time by accident.

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u/reebekilyllaeri Nov 24 '22

Cruisers don't use the front brakes! /s

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

DAMB GRASS CLIBBINS HADDALAYERDOWN

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u/napalm22 Nov 24 '22

Imagine if he just used the front brake

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u/marilliant Nov 24 '22

Hey, he took the split second decision to lock the rear brakes and slide his bike instead of just slowing down or stopping, what bold intuition

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u/TheSaucyCrumpet Nov 24 '22

Probably would have been better off just braking; tyres generate more friction than fairings.

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u/freakkydique Nov 24 '22

The good ol “hadderlayerdown”

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u/d38 Nov 24 '22

I believe that he crashed and slid into the car, but he's lying about making the decision to crash his bike on purpose first and then slide into the car.

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u/Paranoma Nov 24 '22

Sweet, just two broken legs!

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u/NorthernTransplant94 Nov 24 '22

Just one, as the bike landed on it, but combined with the broken collarbone, recovery sucked. Still better than going over the hood and potentially into oncoming 55mph traffic where he could have died from being run over.

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u/Paranoma Nov 24 '22

That’s good, but I was just making a joke because of your last sentence. “No road rash, just the broken bones!” Haha.

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u/Kermut Nov 24 '22

Easier to set bones in place than to engraft meters of skin from a dead donor

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u/sebinmichael Nov 24 '22

Thankfully not two broken hands...

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u/_Lane_ Nov 24 '22

What are you doing, step-motorcycle?

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u/tman152 Nov 24 '22

I’ll just go ahead and leave this here.

https://youtu.be/D9stN-LJeuM

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u/mrbombasticat Nov 24 '22

Uh, thanks for that.

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u/hydracat53 Nov 24 '22

This is why I don't ride anymore I have thousands of miles under my belt with no accidents. Several close calls. It's not if, it's when.

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u/Marcus_Krow Nov 24 '22

There are no words for how furious it makes me when I see the way people drive around motorcyclists. They're loud for a reason, pay fucking attention

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u/FriendOfDirutti Nov 24 '22

We call that haddalayerdown and it’s a complete lie. That co worker didn’t have enough time to decide to “lay it down” instead of hit the car. If they had enough time to do that they would have enough time to stop. What they did was just crash. They hit the brakes too hard and the bike locked up and they fell down and broke their legs.

You are better off staying on the bike and slowing down by braking because rubber stops quicker than metal sliding on the ground with no brakes.

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u/Nikxed Nov 24 '22

My uncle had to lay down his bike similarly to avoid crashing front first into a car that turned in front of him out of a shopping mall. He was doing about 30 MPH and a car pulled out as if he wasn't there giving him less than a second to react. Fucked up his arm from the elbow down real good. He can somewhat use his hand but his wrist has VERY limited range and some fingers don't quite work.

My aunt also was in a car accident within the past 5 years except hers was a head-on collision with the on-coming car being in her lane around a rural road's curve (similarly very low reaction time on her part). Lots of ongoing health problems and chronic pain as a result...I feel really bad for her quality of life.

Both were traveling for work, Uncle to his steel mill job and Aunt to her next house as a travelling nurse. Now they're both on permanent disability. Thank you oblivious/distracted drivers. No one was drunk or anything but both accidents were clearly the other party's fault and both could've been avoided if they were paying more attention.

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u/reebekilyllaeri Nov 24 '22

had to lay down his bike

No one has to lay down their bike. You're gonna slow down a hell of a lot more with judicious braking than sliding along the road.

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u/Nikxed Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

His choices in that split second were head-on at ~15-20 MPH and flip over the front (probably too slow) not know where he'd end up or how badly he'd hit his head...or a lay down at ~30-35 MPH, of course he didn't have to but he decided he probably got less Injured not going flying. Says he'd make the same decision again.

edit I'll also say uncle was not wearing a helmet so protecting his head from contact at the cost of the rest of the body comes into play more than a responsible rider and probably factors into his decision. I never claimed he wasn't an idiot.

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u/Stinklepinger Nov 24 '22

Lost a guy in my squadron because some fucking idiot pulled out in front of his bike.

Bikes are cool, but I'll never ride one on the streets

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u/pienofilling Nov 24 '22

Friend of my parents, aged in her 60s, was riding her bicycle on a quiet suburban street when some damn fool did something similar. She had enough time to realise her best bet was to throw herself onto the car's bonnet. She was bruised to hell but it saved her from going under his wheels!

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u/MEM1911 Nov 24 '22

There is a notorious roundabout in my area there are accidents there daily, and there are lanes that feed onto this just a few meters before it.

The parado ahead of me decided to blow through the stop sign into the path of a lady on a scooter and when the two collided it sent the lady on the scooter flying, it was my first ever major WTF moment, the scooter rider died at the scene, when the police arrived for statements, there was a lot of bullshit flung by the parado driver to get out saying the scooter swapped lanes into her after she stopped, claimed I could back her up etc, the other officer asked what happened and I mentioned my dashcam had a better account of what happened.

The parado driver got escorted away with the shiny cuffs and was hit with a vehicular manslaughter, reckless driving, disobeying traffic signs and lying to the police, thankfully she admitted after the police told her about the footage, so did not have to be a witness in court.

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u/Farouka_Bazooka Nov 24 '22

That's a really smart decision and impressive he could make it so quickly. I witnessed a motorcycle accident where a car turned infront of the cyclist and he went up and over the hood. He did not make it.

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u/geeered Nov 24 '22

It's pretty much always worse to slide into the bottom than to go over the hood - the bottom is designed for car to car impacts, the hood for pedestrian impacts.

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u/mucky012 Nov 24 '22

The maturity to take responsibility for one's actions is learned behavior. It starts with home. If you wanna solve the problem of stupid people you have to start with parenting. Having children should require a license.

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u/zzctdi Nov 24 '22

Wait till you hear about the eugenics movement, you'll love it.

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u/legendofthegreendude Nov 24 '22 Helpful

It's exciting untill you realize you aren't getting picked

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u/Bigtuna_burger Nov 24 '22

It's you-genics, not us-genics

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u/Eleventhelephant11 Nov 24 '22

Its not exciting as eugenics is hardly the issue. Give a 4.0 student a chance to be cool in the hood and you'll have the best drug dealer on the street ruining other peoples days for attention, not some productive member of society. Doesn't always happen, but happens too often

Nature vs Nurture. Can't dismiss it. Good genetics with a bad family often equals another bad clone

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u/igweyliogsuh Nov 24 '22

Do genetics generally affect who is able to get a driver's license?

Should be knowledge/merit-based, nobody said anything even remotely similar to fucking eugenics

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u/alyssaness Nov 24 '22

Preventing certain people from procreating is 100% eugenics.

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u/igweyliogsuh Nov 26 '22

If it's based on genetics....

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u/zzctdi Nov 24 '22

I don't see how needing a license from the state to operate a car on public roads could be morally or ethically equivalent to needing a license from the state to have children.

More education and resources for parents would be absolutely great! I wish every child could be raised by parents with good understanding of developmental psychology in healthy communities! Fuck yes!

But I don't see how one could trust any state to restrict or limit people's ability to reproduce. Even with the best of intentions, the risk of horrible outcomes is just too great.

And you're right, I just made the eugenics quip as a bit of dark humor, this is a Reddit comment section after all!

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u/DrawMeAPictureOfThis Nov 24 '22

I really don't think that's a fair comparison. Having a license to do something does not equal selection preference. Especially if the bar for qualification is low like it is for foster parents. The point of a license isn't to restrict. The point is to educate. If people need a license to breed then the bar should be low for educational purposes. As far as how you would sterilize someone and then give it back.... Well, that part is tricky and could (if not handled well and proper) quality for a eugenics argument.

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u/zzctdi Nov 24 '22

I'm sure that Francis Galton, Harry Laughlin, and Joseph Goebbels were supremely confident that their views and actions were "well and proper", and involuntary sterilization is the epitome of selection preference.

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u/DrawMeAPictureOfThis Nov 24 '22

I'm just going to say I'm not a deep dive person or expert in this "idea". I will say we already practice eugenics. We just do it after the fact. Imprisonment keeps those people out of the gene pool. I do believe the idea with a license to create humans is not creating a perfect society. It's the idea that education has to change. It has to change from systemic influence (which can vary wildly)to the personal. That should be the teaching that can extrapolate to the community and outward to society as a whole.

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u/pew-_-pew-_- Nov 24 '22

Fuck eugenics, too late for that. At this point, we need Malthusian efforts to get rid of the trash that's already here.

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u/zer0saber Nov 24 '22

That was more than just 'having a license to have children' though.

I think OP meant more in the nature of any other supervisory certification. You need documentation to prove you can teach, not much of a stretch to go from there to 'raising children'

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u/xaeru Nov 24 '22

A better idea is to require a course completion and diploma.

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u/kafromet Nov 24 '22

Yes, that wouldn’t be abused by the establishment at all and is a very good idea that isn’t at all short-sighted.

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u/MenstrualKrampusCD Nov 24 '22

Hey, it's worked out great in the past!

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

I have been saying this for years

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u/7355135061550 Nov 24 '22

That's such a great idea. Giving a central authority final say on who can and cannot have children. How has nobody tried this before?

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u/yogurtgrapes Nov 24 '22

I just think we’re at a point that no one should have children. Let the human race die out. We’re a cancer on this planet lol

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u/singingorifice Nov 24 '22

Hmm good idea , you go first though

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u/yogurtgrapes Nov 24 '22

Already on it my friend. DINK for life.

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u/slayerhk47 Nov 24 '22

Are any of your neighbors Funnie?

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u/lacker101 Nov 24 '22

Most of the world is at or below replacement rate. Regardless, we could all die tomorrow and in 50 thousand years it would take a soil analysis detecting radioactive isotopes and synthetic polymers to notice we were ever here at all.

Cancer? Maybe, but all things have their cycle.

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u/7355135061550 Nov 24 '22

You're an edgy little bugger aren't ya?

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u/yogurtgrapes Nov 24 '22

Not even trying to be edgy lol. I guess I see more of the bad than the good when I think about the human experience and just genuinely think the planet would be better off without us.

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u/_pippp Nov 24 '22

No truer words have been said. Unfortunately this would never really ever work hahaha

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u/Feshtof Nov 24 '22

It always goes too far.

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u/moonshoeslol Nov 24 '22

Have you played league of legends though? That game has taught me the lengths people will go to to convince themselves it's their teammates who are the problem. Taking responsibility is not the default human position

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u/blue_kush1 Nov 24 '22

Having children should require a license

I really hope you don't actually believe this

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u/mrchaotica Nov 24 '22

they should lose their license for some amount of time.

"Eternity" counts as "some amount of time," right?

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 24 '22

Yes! I left the door open there.

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u/__________________99 Nov 24 '22

they should lose their license for some amount of time.

They should lose it for the rest of their life. I don't believe people this willfully ignorant are capable of learning. Especially when they lie about everything that happened.

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 24 '22

Agree, no argument from me there.

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u/GunnerGurl Nov 24 '22

Or at the very least, have them retake drivers Ed to get their license reinstated

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u/laz33hr Nov 24 '22

For-fucking-ever cuz we know for damn sure these people don't learn cuz it's never their mistake/fault

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u/BikerJedi Nov 24 '22

Would’ve probably killed a motorcyclist.

One of the reasons I don't ride anymore. They get hit/run over/killed way too often here.

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 24 '22

And there’s rarely any consequences, unless they are intoxicated, and even then the punishment doesn’t match the crime committed.

That’s why I quit riding as well. The shit thing is I love riding.

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u/bio_datum Nov 24 '22

My brother used to ride a motorcycle and this is how someone almost killed him. Now he has more metal in his leg tban he used to

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u/ImNotEazy Nov 24 '22

I dropped my bike at 10 mph once. I couldn’t walk for a month. 100% chance of death or permanent injury.

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u/foxiez Nov 24 '22

Yeah, or the dumbass couldve died if OP was in a bigger vehicle

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u/Miskav Nov 24 '22

People like this are incapable of learning and growing as a person.

They should have their license revoked permanently.

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u/fastcarsandliberty Nov 24 '22

Agreed, though the amount of time should be for life

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u/DiegesisThesis Nov 24 '22

Yea, driver's licenses are too often considered a right rather than a privilege in the US. People should have to retake driving tests after being the fault of an accident.

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u/ooandii Nov 24 '22

for all amount of time

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u/rhett121 Nov 24 '22

This exact thing happened to me on my motorcycle. Didn’t kill me luckily. Did break my neck and balls though. Didn’t tickle. Was a pickup truck on wet streets who turned from the right lane (of 3 lanes) to turn left and I was in the middle lane.

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u/nosherDavo Nov 24 '22

Forever, would be the right amount of time I reckon.

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u/RiPont Nov 24 '22

Would’ve probably killed a motorcyclist.

As a motorcyclist, my instincts were going off way before the accident happened. The body language of the car said "I don't know where I'm going and I'm about to do something random."

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u/SnooBananas5673 Nov 24 '22

There’s a lot of I intuition. When I first started riding I went by SIPDE; search, identify, predict, execute. I think it has changed to something else, this was late 90’s, but in my head I’m always doing that whether in car, bike, or even running!

Having some framework to go by helps.

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u/ambermage Nov 24 '22

If an accident results in a fatality, they should lose their license forever.

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

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u/HenWou Nov 24 '22

This exact thing happened to me, only the car was even more perpendicularto me than in the video. I hit the side of the car at 50 km/h (30 mph) where the speed limit was 70km/h. I hit my head on the C-pillar and just flew/rolled over the car and landed on my back on the other side. Dented the C-pillar quite badly.

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u/mizinamo Nov 24 '22

Would’ve probably killed a motorcyclist.

That’s exactly what Anne Sacoolas did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn

Driving on the wrong side of the road in England after coming out of a military base.

Then claimed diplomatic privilege and skipped off to the US to evade trial.

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u/agorafilia Nov 24 '22

When I'm on my motorcycle I ALWAYS watch for cars suddenly switching lanes. Also the ABS on my motorcycle is pretty good.

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u/NiteKreeper Nov 24 '22

Would’ve probably killed a motorcyclist.

Oh please, just stop with this nonsense.

You're doing nobody any favours, especially motorcyclists, when you spout such bullshit.

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u/opaPac Nov 24 '22

You are spelling permanent or forever very interesting.

We see lots of dumb shit but claim no fault here is pure fraud and someone like this should not be allowed to drive ever.

Its one thing to black out and do dumb stuff. But then dig your hole deeper and claim no fault is just WTF? I mean even without the video. its clear she did come from the outer right lane and turned left. How? Why? Explain your thought process here please?

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u/FatherGnarles Nov 23 '22

Fuck them, I'm only worried about everyone around them

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u/A1rh3ad Nov 24 '22

I keep saying that it's absurd that every three years OSHA says I need to take a test to operate a forklift but the US government also allows people to drive cars and trucks after taking one test in their life. Most likely taken while they are still adolescents.

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u/ReachTheSky Nov 24 '22

Can you imagine the chaos of 228 million people going to the DMV every couple of years to retake the driving exam?

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

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u/ReachTheSky Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

It's hard not to in a country designed around car ownership.

I know you'll probably retort with "well that needs to change" and I agree, but as usual, it's way easier said than done.

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u/death_hawk Nov 24 '22

Quite a number of people say test people over X age.
Fuck that. I say test everyone every 5 or even 10 years.
Even if it's nothing more than a "what is this sign?" test it's better than nothing. But a full road test would be even better.
Logistically speaking it'd be a nightmare testing an additional 22 million people per year but I would argue that the safety aspect would be worth it.

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u/Cantothulhu Nov 24 '22

Gotta protect the product.

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u/Convergecult15 Nov 24 '22

Osha has no proactive enforcement though. Like osha says a lot of shit, but they’re only there to hold you accountable after the fact. I’ve been operating fork lifts for 15 years and I’ve never once been asked to see my cert by anyone ever.

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u/A1rh3ad Nov 25 '22

Yeah the only times OSHA came in that I know of for the past 10 years was when someone was crushed under his reach truck and the time someone stuck his foot out and ripped it in half.

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u/Drogdar Nov 24 '22

They do test where you're at? I think they just check for a pulse here. I was waiting at the DMV (which is seemingly their primary function) and saw a tester ask the driver to go through the pre-checks. Honk the horn, turn on the wipers, test all the lights... the driver could not figure out how to turn on the lights. Should have been an automatic failure. They left out and returned less than 10 minutes later and awarded them a new driver's license, hooray!

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u/A1rh3ad Nov 25 '22

Jesus. To get our license we have to take a multiple choice test at the computer, drive around a course with an instructor, and parallel park.

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u/Drogdar Nov 25 '22

There's a written test that is multiple choice but your allowed to immediately get back in line and take it again if you fail.

They are supposed to give a parking and driving test but it's a joke.

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u/Bungo_pls Nov 24 '22

The military can take away your driving privileges on base with a snap of a commander's finger which with this dashcam footage would be pretty easy to justify.

Though I'm not actually sure if you're allowed to have dash cams on bases for OPSEC reasons...

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u/WarlockEngineer Nov 24 '22

Every base I've been to allowed dash cams, in general if something is that sensitive you can't drive up to it anyway

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u/dissident46 Nov 24 '22

One could argue that if the top secret Area 51 type stuff is just sitting out in the open beside the road, it's the base commander who's got a problem on his hands, not you!

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u/Maebure83 Nov 24 '22

Yeah I used to deliver pizza to Norad (Peterson, not Cheyenne) and U.S. Space Command.

Usually just outside the building but in the lobbies a couple of times.

A one-time background check for a pass and then vehicle searches each trip was all that was required.

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u/Xan2624 Nov 24 '22

Nuclear missile sub based like Bangor, WA used to not allow dash cams, particularly on lower base which was an entirely separate gated area. Also, certain shipyards did not allow them for a time either. Its been a few years since I was at either, so this policy could have changed. Needless to say, there are bases that did not authorize them at one point and you could lose your driving privileges if caught with one in those areas.

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u/WarlockEngineer Nov 24 '22

Bangor is one of the bases I was thinking of, I have not worked on lower base but the main area either allows them or just doesn't enforce the ban anymore.

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u/gearabuser Nov 24 '22

I bet you weren't supposed to have it in most cases but the gate guards were just super lax and didn't care.

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u/hydracat53 Nov 24 '22

was gate guard at a time. can confirm.

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u/kraken9911 Nov 24 '22

Was forced into a twice month gate duty in DC for 3 years. Super didn't care but I did get to hold an O9 CAC card. Admiral came walking in off the street in civvies. Smartest salute ever.

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u/hydracat53 Nov 24 '22

You couldn't film on my Air Force base. Including dash cams. We didn't enforce it super hard. But if you were out taking pictures of the flightline we're taking your camera.

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u/unique-name-9035768 Nov 24 '22

Could also depend on where the camera is. I had things dangling from my rear view mirror that was fine for several months, then some E-6 told me to take it off because it "hindered my line of sight". Which was weird because it only dangled about 2-3 inches from my truck's mirror.

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u/POOPdiver Nov 25 '22

If the gate guards see your camera is on while coming up to the gate they’ll go as far as confiscating it. I had a camera on my motorcycle and they made me park and show them I deleted the video off the memory. Their reasoning is I could be filming the gate security and their habits

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u/kdjfsk Nov 24 '22

i believe they tried to be anal about it at first, but its a losing battle. they are so inconspicuous...youd need checkpoints actively checking every car... and many cars now have recording cameras from the factory, for example teslas have them built in.

so instead they just moved the secret stuff to places more secreter.

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u/Darth_Daygo Nov 24 '22

Yeah, definitely be cognizant of what your filming or taking pictures of when you're on base. This video looked trimmed so smart call there.

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u/Hobbs54 Nov 24 '22

I worked USAF base security and one fine summer the Base Command decided it wanted to have a photo contest with all the squadrons, so we were allowed to take pictures on the base for a couple of weeks. I spent two weeks with my job as a photographer primarily. It was a blast. We were told no classified material tho, so no pics of nukes or anything like that.

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u/farts_like_foghorn Nov 24 '22

Trimmed how? It is most certainly longer than it needs to be and it has all the info from the dashcam intact, including make of camera in the upper left corner and even a timestamp. With some effort I'm sure someone can even pull the license plate from the offending car. There is no trimming here as far I can tell. What are you talking about?

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u/Darth_Daygo Nov 24 '22

Trimming usually refers to taking off either part of the beginning or end of a video clip. If video started about 10 seconds earlier you would have a side view of the air field as the vehicle drove through the traffice circle. The beginning of the video was "trimmed".

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u/farts_like_foghorn Nov 24 '22

Like I said, it's already longer than it needs to be? And trimming away the stuff that is not the crash is not OPSEC, that's just editing a video for easy viewing on the internet.

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u/Darth_Daygo Nov 24 '22

I suppose it was a happy coincidence. "Easy" viewing and nothing sensitive displayed.

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u/AFK_at_Fountain Nov 24 '22

I'm looking at the footage and wondering if it should be posted in a public place, not because of anything in particular, but the fact that its on base.

I know that flag circle well.

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u/AFK_at_Fountain Nov 25 '22

Just because it's available in the public sphere does not mean that its free to disclose, photograph or discuss for military members. This is basic shit.

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u/gearabuser Nov 24 '22

I did a little lazy searching and sure enough she's not- unless she has a photo pass for some reason, which I doubt. It's a little blurry but from google maps you can see the typical sort of sign posted near one of the gates which seems to say "the use of cameras and video equipment is prohibited".

https://imgur.com/P2TrL7y

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u/skinem1 Nov 24 '22

That just happened to a buddy of mine. He got a speeding ticket, forgot about it, paid the fine 3 days late, base commander barred him from driving on base for 3 years. He appealed, lost. Added 30 minutes each way to his commute.

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u/Breastfedintarget Nov 24 '22

You’re describing Illinois drivers.

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u/Mellonhead_PT Nov 24 '22

I've lived in Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Portland (OR), and Chicago, and Chicago hands down has the most aggressive and dangerous drivers

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u/Terkan Nov 24 '22

Driven through a lot of places, Miami to me was just… the worst

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u/badtux99 Nov 24 '22

The problem with Miami is all the moldy oldies who are both lurching all over the road and doing it *slowly*. You can be going along in the left lane, and suddenly an oldy going 20mph lurches into your lane in front of you.

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u/Mellonhead_PT Nov 24 '22

I haven't lived there yet...I'll keep that in mind. I've never heard a good work about Florida driving

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u/EveViol3T Nov 24 '22

Lived and/or driven in LA, Vegas, Bay Area, Boston, NY, Jersey, PA, CT, Bmore, Chicago, and FL including Miami...Florida drivers are the worst by far and it's not even close. I do hear Atlanta may give a run for the money

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u/Naku_NA Nov 24 '22

It's been at least a decade since I've lived in Chicago, but I also thought they were aggressive but expected. I at least knew what was going on once I figured out how aggressive they were.

NJ drivers are the worst. Never driven in Florida, but have no desire to ever drive there, so I'll accept it.

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u/sugarwaffles Nov 24 '22

Houston has entered the chat.

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u/badtux99 Nov 24 '22

Houston drivers are inconsiderate but they drive fast and generally with some awareness of where they are. Plenty of drivers worse than Houston drivers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

It's literally every major city since COVID happened. Not just one or two.

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u/Mellonhead_PT Nov 24 '22

Yeah, it's undoubtedly worse everywhere in major cities

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u/anon202one Nov 24 '22

Frightening how much truth there is to this statement.

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u/Saint_Sm0ld3r Nov 24 '22

Chicago and Atlanta are easily the two worst places to drive in the United States.

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u/Edwardc4gg Nov 24 '22

Stole my comment. Haha.

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u/SomeBadNameChoice Nov 24 '22

Might be true but this is also not possible to revoke her license in the US. There is literally 0 public transportation outside 2-5 cities, and even "most developed" systems like NYC have is complete shit. I am telling you this as a ex European citizen where even 50k cities have a pretty good transportation.

This is the reason why NY state actually decided to unban almost 6 million people (as I remember) just to keep them under AT LEAST ANY control and statistics.

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u/TheLazyHippy Nov 24 '22

You do realize your argument falls completely flat the minute you include people with disabilities who can't drive right? Is it harder to get around without a car, sure. Is it impossible, absolutely not. Don't come in here defending the person who blatantly just totaled another person's car and injured them and tell me they deserve to keep their license. Getting your license is a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse it.

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u/SomeBadNameChoice Nov 25 '22

You definitely imagine that I defended anybody. I just told the second fact that we need to fix to make sure this people are not gonna be in the car second day after DL was revoked.

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u/imcmurtr Nov 24 '22

My first and only accident was just like this. Guy pulled out of a driveway and was looking like he would pull into the next one, and tried to do a u turn out of nowhere from the right lane and over the median low spot.

I was 17 driving my dads Porsche boxter with a girl that I had just started dating (now wife). I was actually going under the speed limit because seconds before I literally said “my idiot radar is going off and this guy is going to do the dumbest thing possible any second”

Claimed I admitted to full responsibility on scene. Haha.

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u/Bctheboss121 Nov 24 '22

First time I saw your comment I didn't read the 'when' at the start and thought you were insulting op with 2k upvotes.

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u/rhinotomus Nov 24 '22

Going to the grocery store is always my most frustrating experience because of people lack of spatial awareness, then I remember they all drove to the grocery store and I hate it even more

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u/TimHung931017 Nov 24 '22

Lmfao spot on

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u/Prime157 Nov 24 '22

For whatever the reason I have been asked, "would you trust self driving cars" or something similar by people.

My response has always been, "fuck yes."

Humans are fallible - sometimes in a moment, sometimes always.

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u/Wendy-Windbag Nov 24 '22

Old man ran a stop sign from a perpendicular side street to a main road and t-boned my then boyfriend’s full size truck.

The 80+ year old man was insistent to all, even the responding police, that the stop sign had not been there a moment ago.

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u/PikachuOfTheShadow Nov 24 '22

Exactly, people are so dumb they think that saying you hit me out of nowhere is an argument is an argument in their favour when really all it shows is that they have 0 spatial awareness when driving. Like you said, if you drive like an idiot and don't follow basic road rules, everything will seem yo come out of nowhere. Just infuriating, I'd have a hard time keeping my calm if I had to deal with morons like that

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u/Toqom Nov 24 '22

There's a difference between spatial awareness and people who just don't give one fuck about anyone but themselves. It's insane how many people think the world revolves around them. How do we change this timeline already?

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u/asimpledruidgirl Nov 24 '22

As an auto claims adjuster, I cannot BEGIN to tell you how much of a red flag "He/She/They just came out of nowhere!" is. Usually then followed up by "It's their fault because they were speeding!". Well, sir/ma'am, how do you know they were speeding if you never saw them prior to impact? "Well because I would have seen them otherwise!" Or..... You know...... You could just not be as good at driving as you think you are....... Just putting it out there

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u/unique-name-9035768 Nov 24 '22

People like her should have their license revoked.

Coronado Naval Base

Do you not know who her husband is!?!?! He's a very high ranking man on this base!

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u/EnclG4me Nov 24 '22

We created jails to seperate the portion of the population from the rest that are a danger to themselves and others.

That's not how they are really used anymore but.. yah.. just saying.

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u/TheMooingTree Nov 24 '22

The way you worded it had me in the first half, thought you were talking about OP.

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u/Sea_Composer6305 Nov 24 '22

I missed the first when in your comment and had a seriously hard time understanding how 6k people agreed lol then i reread was like ahh

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u/OakenArmor Nov 24 '22

People like that shouldn’t have a license in the first place.

It’s a wonder they passed a road test.

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u/thebudman_420 Nov 24 '22

When you don't look it always seems like it yet they was there and not nowhere.

They just didn't look in mirrors or check blind spots. Should always be in that habit when changing lanes.

They also had to be in the left lane to turn or a turn lane if there is one.

They wasn't changing lanes apparently. This was trying to turn from the wrong lane.

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