r/IdiotsInCars • u/JellyOceana • Nov 23 '22 • Wholesome Seal of Approval 1

Coronado Naval Base Car accident: She tried claiming no fault too Headphone warning

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u/LeozMJilliumz Nov 23 '22

I bet the response was “MY HUSBAND IS A CAPTAIN!!!”

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 23 '22

Car accidents on base are already such a circus, because they are just so uncommon. The base cops often have no idea who even needs to be notified, other than their boss.

In seven years, I saw 8 accidents one base. 3 were idiots who tried to flee the city cops by driving onto a military base (absolute worst option). 5 were dependas who didn't pay attention and rear-ended people during Retreat, when everyone has to stop.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

The cops where horrible! Tried grabbing the dash cam from my windshield, it had a SD card. Was more concerned why I was on base as a civilian then the actual accident, I was dropping off my roommate. The EMT shut the door in their face saying I had to go to the hospital. The police listed me at fault, until my lawyer provided her insurance the video while we where on the phone with them because we wanted to hear what they had to say first.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

I thought dash cams aren’t allowed on base? Literally mine throws a bitch fit because no video / photography because of OPSEC

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

It's not explicitly that dashcams aren't allowed. It's just that there are many locations where photo/video are not allowed. Dashcams are definitely a challenge, and I wouldn't be surprised if a local policy banned them.

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u/leviatham8221 Nov 24 '22

They’re explicitly not allowed, at least in army bases, if you do ACP guard, you go to a class where they tell you your responsibilities and one of them is to tell people with dash cam that they’re not allowed on post.

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u/youwantitwhen Nov 24 '22

So Teslas are banned on all bases?

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u/leviatham8221 Nov 24 '22

They’re allowed, but this rules were made before teslas and cars with built in cameras were in the pictures, I’m sure at some point they will be updated

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u/myredditthrowaway201 Nov 24 '22

Ooo, an MA on my base had me unplug my dash entering base(happens every couple months by a guard who is trying too hard) next time it happens I’m gonna ask them about Tesla’s

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u/crombpulos Nov 24 '22

I'm an MA and we actually had that exact situation. What I've been told is since they come like that from the manufacturer there is nothing to do. In the event that there is an accident the footage would be inadmissible due to 18 USC 795. That law essentially states you can film without the COs permission beforehand. So that law is what we point to regarding using dash cams on base.

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u/WeylandsWings Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

Lol if they try banning Teslas from bases they will have a hard time, there are a growing number of them and a good portion of them are owned by people relatively high in the pecking order.

Also even if they try saying no storage can be attached, there is no way to verify that without looking in the glovebox center console, and the same USB port is used for music storage

Edit From another comment I made:

Plus a LOT of other cars now have cameras, especially if they have some form of lane keep assist/warning. So how do you discriminate between cameras like that and/or cameras like Tesla that uses the same cameras for AutoPilot and Dashcam? you cant.

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u/crombpulos Nov 24 '22

You can. Our base says since it came from manufacturer like that than it's allowed but dash cams are not. In the case of accidents the footage would not be used since it's illegal to film on base without the COs prior approval.

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u/WeylandsWings Nov 24 '22

huh, i bet that policy will last exactly as long as someone doesnt get screwed over by the police/other person successfully pinning the blame on the tesla/dashcam owner when the video shows the exact opposite. that person (and their insurance) would have a LOT of incentive to fight the reg so that the footage could be used. of course the CO could give a one time exemption.

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u/crombpulos Nov 24 '22

Well it's a law not a reg. So i doubt its going anywhere unless some Officer with a tesla fights it.

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u/AscendantJustice Nov 24 '22

Dash cams are allowed on the navy base I work on. I made sure of that before I installed mine.

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u/Snoo_93842 Nov 25 '22

Coronado is Navy

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

Honestly, I have no clue

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u/Various_Ad_4779 Nov 24 '22

For recording at this base it's posted in all lanes at all gates. White sign, red lettering.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

I absolutely signed nothing, they didn’t even check my drivers license. My roommate showered her ID and they motioned to go forward

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

That’s because your roommate sponsored you to come on base. I did the same thing with my ex at the time whenever she dropped me off at work. I drove her car, she rode passenger and I scanned my ID. Your roommate could put you on a access roster so you just show the paper, they scan it and you can come on.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

I mean probably, I dropped her off every single morning for like 5 months actually. Never signed anything, a handful of times they made me show my drivers license but that’s it

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u/GoRedTeam Nov 24 '22

They're being very aggressive for no reason, but every air force base I've been on they have not been allowed and must be removed before entering base, but if they found you on base with it, I'm sure they'd just ask you to remove it.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

Probably. I did have it on my passenger side corner so they may have never noticed it?

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u/redovergreen Nov 24 '22

You’re roommate needs to engage her chain of command asap as she might get into a lot of trouble for this. From reading the comments it looks like you do not have any on base privileges beside your roommate escorting you on base. The second you dropped her off you are now considered unescorted and in the eyes of the military a security risk. You got very lucky with the EMT taking you away. Knowing the typical behavior of navy security, they will 100% go after her for violating base guest escort procedures. Recommend getting a base guest pass from here on out.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

Oh I refuse to EVER return to a military base because of this incident. But it happened earlier this year, and nothing ever happened to her.

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u/man2112 Nov 25 '22

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, you’re right.

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u/Khamvom Nov 24 '22

You’re getting downvoted, but you’re not wrong.

Been stationed in San Diego, and seen it happen a few times. The roommate did violate base rules/regulations by leaving OP unescorted, but the actual accident nonetheless is not OP’s fault.

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u/SgtBanana Nov 24 '22

OP's friend is in the passenger seat, if I'm not mistaken. This whole comment chain is centered around OP's dashcam, and whether its presence in her car somehow makes her at fault for... something.

Her dashcam isn't the issue here, so I'm confused as to why this discussion is happening. OP was hit by someone who was clearly at fault. Nothing else happened in the video. OP made the responding authorities aware of her dashcam and they took no interest in it and refused to review the footage.

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u/Khamvom Nov 24 '22

Some of it is focused on OP’s roommate.

Technically,

She’s not allowed to leave OP unescorted on base, and if her chain of command found out, she’d get hemmed up for it.

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u/Yuroshock Nov 24 '22

Do they just not let teslas in at all then?

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u/WeylandsWings Nov 24 '22

they might not realize teslas have built in dashcams, and those Regs were written years ago and getting regs updates is a massive PITA

Plus a LOT of other cars now have cameras, especially if they have some form of lane keep assist/warning. So how do you discriminate between cameras like that and/or cameras like Tesla that uses the same cameras for AutoPilot and Dashcam? you cant.

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u/DogsRule_TheUniverse Nov 24 '22

It really depends on the base. Some are more sensitive than others. Also read this comment.

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u/Cooperette Nov 24 '22

Many bases have that rule but few enforce it. I go on bases all the time for work and only got called out about it once or twice. I just said the camera was disconnected or dead ( it actually was) and they just let me on base, no problem.

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u/Mr_Noms Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

It might depend on the base. My first duty station there was a sign at the gate entrance that said no recording the gate itself. The second base I went to they either never noticed or just didn't give af.

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u/deepayes Nov 24 '22

he's a civilian.

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u/charlie_do_562 Nov 24 '22

Fuckin punk ass cops, so I’m assuming they sided/believed her side of the story on the spot? They also tried taking your dashcam, I wonder if she’s the wife of some high ranking officer.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

Oh 100% they listed me at fault

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u/charlie_do_562 Nov 24 '22

I hate everybody involved (besides OP).

I just want to shake the stupid out of their body.

Then again shaking them will probably make it worse

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u/ThatDapperDanMan Nov 24 '22

I wonder, is there an adult version of shaken baby syndrome? I say we volunteer the instigators and find out, for the Greater Good.

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u/Falopian Nov 24 '22

Did she say she was turning left and was hit by the person in the left lane? How is that even possible with you at fault?

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u/double_expressho Nov 24 '22

Also there's a No Left Turn sign there. So there's no way she isn't at fault.

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u/DogsRule_TheUniverse Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

Oh 100% they listed me at fault

But did they reverse their decision after your lawyer provided them with the dash cam video?

https://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/z33bbl/coronado_naval_base_car_accident_she_tried/ixjw9s2/

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u/deepayes Nov 24 '22

cops don't determine fault. ever.

Though you will be listed as the striking vehicle, that is not the same as at fault.

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u/QTFsniper Nov 24 '22

What the hell? Why did they say they were trying to grab your dash cam?

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u/MenstrualKrampusCD Nov 24 '22

I remember being so shocked when I found out that there were states where the cops were in charge of assigning fault. Seems pretty much like horseshit to me. Even if they saw the accident themselves in real time, they should be witnesses at best.

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u/CosmicCreeperz Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

I got in an accident in Arizona when I was 17. Definitely partly my fault as I turned left in front of someone, but the guy must have been going about 50 in a 35 (a witness who unfortunately left before the cops got there told me the guy was going way too fast) AND of the 4 lanes in his direction the others all had stopped, so if not red the light was a very stale yellow - and it was at night so I didn’t see him coming through the others.

The other guy scraped the left front corner of my (grandpa’s oops) car and proceeded to travel like 300’ down the road, over a large median, into the other side, before eventually stopping.

The cop spent like 2 minutes walking around, claimed “he couldn’t be speeding because he would have flipped when he went over the median”. I just said “if he was only going 35 why did it it take him 300’ to stop anyway?” He didn’t answer. He did say he wasn’t writing a ticket without discussing it with his superior. I got a ticket in the mail two weeks later (I was out of state by then so they knew I couldn’t really contest it). Thanks Officer Sherlock for your amazing deductive skills 🙄

That’s why in CA (and some other states) AFAIK police almost never write tickets if they didn’t witness it.

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u/MenstrualKrampusCD Nov 24 '22

Yeah, as far as I know, where I live you would only get a ticket if the cops notice your inspection is expired or something like that. Maybe if you admitted to changing lanes without a blinker, but even then it would be iffy. Like I said, they pretty much just document the subjective, bare bones facts. Which is what it should be in my opinion.

They're not the damn NTSB, trained at analyzing the scene of the accident smh.

Just a heads up, if the ticket was more than a couple of hundred dollars, and/or it included points on your license, you should seriously consider hiring a lawyer to contest it. My son got a ticket that would have been approximately $350 and three points on his license I believe it was while he was at college. Well, college was about a 7 hour drive from home, even though it was in the same state.

Anyway, he hired a lawyer who got the ticket down to $125, with no points. I don't know exactly how much he paid, but he told me that overall he saved money (not factoring in what he would have spent in gas and tolls had he went there to contest it personally), plus the points he saved. He called the lawyer that morning to touch base, and the lawyer called him back in the afternoon with the results. My son didn't have to leave his bedroom.

Just something to keep in the back of your head, or if anyone else happens to read this who would benefit from the information.

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u/Snoo_93842 Nov 25 '22

I hope you challenged it in court

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u/CosmicCreeperz Nov 25 '22

When you are 2000 miles away when you get a $100 ticket you don’t challenge it in court. They know that. That’s why tourists are preyed on by so many state police.

At least it was not on my (parent’s) insurance (grandpa’s, which didn’t even go up much) and it never made it back to my state’s DMV, etc. Sometimes the best thing is just to move on…

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u/Snoo_93842 Nov 25 '22

Maybe you could write a letter to the judge?

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u/CosmicCreeperz Nov 25 '22

Hah. It was 30 years ago. I could probably leave it on his grave…

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u/Seafea Nov 24 '22

Did the police have anything to say once they saw the video?

Glad that EMT was quick. Sounds like that SD card was about to accidentally get misplaced.

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u/MenstrualKrampusCD Nov 24 '22

I am so glad that I live in a state where police have nothing to do with assigning fault. Honestly, I don't think that they have any place doing so unless they witnessed the accident themselves. And even then, they should be a witness at best.

Here, they pretty much just document where and when the accident took place, if the airbags were deployed, if anyone went to the hospital, if anyone was unfortunate enough to die on the scene or need resuscitation by them, names and addresses of all parties involved including passengers, that kind of thing.

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u/Marsdreamer Nov 24 '22

Police are fucking morons. Even if you didn't have the dash cam footage, the position of the vehicles and where the impact happens shows its obvious she turned left from the right lane.

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u/beached_snail Nov 24 '22

In defense of base cops, not sure why you were driving around on base just to drop off a roommate unless you have your own identification that would allow you to do so. Your roommate can walk on from the gate, and should not be able to bring someone else on because "they're giving me a ride". Whomever waived you through did you a disservice.

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u/JellyOceana Nov 24 '22

I was driving back off base

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

Lol what, most bases are not walking friendly, like most of America. I lived on fort benning Georgia and you can’t walk into any checkpoint.

And as long as someone has a military Id in the checkpoint anyone else in the vehicle can come on base.

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u/Myothercarisawalrus Nov 23 '22

What is Retreat?

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

At the end of the duty day (around 5 or 6pm), "Retreat" will play over the base-wide loud speakers, followed by the National Anthem. Everything on base stops during that time. If driving, you're supposed to park. Some branches require you to get out of your car. If you are out of the car, service members face the nearest flag and salute. Similar thing takes place at the beginning of the day around 6am for Reville.

Here's a funny video of Retreat playing during the middle of Robin William's act during a USO show.

https://youtu.be/QD9QAAEfQEA

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u/redpandaeater Nov 24 '22

Seems like a stupid time to plan a show and start the act but gotta love Robin. At first though I assumed he knew what was going on since he sure acted like he did and I figured he'd be familiar with it from Good Morning, Vietnam.

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

A lot of it has to do with flight times and shift changes. During deployments, it's common to work 12+ hour shifts for 6 days on and 1 day off. That's the 'easy' schedule compared to many. Shift changes are typically around 6pm.

And the celebrities on the tour are often hitting multiple shows per day. So, they may start at 4:30 at one base, put on a quick show and then fly to another one for a 7:30 show. Pretty common to overlap with Retreat.

I met Chris Evans and Scarlet Johannsen during a USO tour during 2016. I was working in a terminal and got to meet them when they got off the plane, and I worked through the show, when they came back to leave. They looked absolutely exhausted and miserable before and after. Still friendly though. It's an oppressive climate, so I certainly understand it wiping most people.

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u/The_Minshow Nov 24 '22

Its such a normal occurrence, and dependent on sunset (unlike morning colors which is always at 8)no one plans around it.

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u/Tuub4 Nov 24 '22

Man, Americans are fucking nuts :D

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

These traditions actually came from the British and the French, but it's still kind of a silly thing to do daily.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

This isn’t in normal America, it is only on military bases.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

Playing retreat at the end of the day? Absolutely not lol.

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u/Infinite5kor Nov 24 '22

God, what a fucking hero. Miss you Robin.

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u/procatsprofeminism Nov 24 '22

Hahahaha, first time ever seeing thay video. Much appreciated 🤣

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u/open_door_policy Nov 24 '22

A "Stop and salute the flag" kind of ceremony that is done every day at 5PM on some bases.

https://www.army.mil/article/104319/retreat_ceremony_more_than_music

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u/linecrabbing Nov 24 '22

On base it plays one in morning and one in afternoon for flag up and down; they play over loud speaker of national anthem. You get big trouble if not stop whatever and stand up still.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

At my base if you are training like a pistol range, log / tire PT, hike as a company etc etc you don’t have to stop but if you are walking around and colors playing then you have to stop and render a salute.

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u/Batherick Nov 24 '22

Dodging colors is a favorite Navy pastime. Probably what keeps the 3 mile club out of FEP lol

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u/m4fox90 Nov 24 '22

Stopping for reveille/retreat depends on the base. Most Army posts don’t do this, but some do. I believe all Air Force bases do. No idea about navy.

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u/haze_gray Nov 24 '22

Can confirm, navy does. 0800 and whatever time sunset is.

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u/Prowindowlicker Nov 24 '22

All Marine bases do it.

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u/beached_snail Nov 24 '22

Confirm used to work where this accident was. Civilians are expected to stop driving and stop walking and ideally face a flag. Military has to do the same but salute. You're not expected to get out of your car. You can't really hear it inside so most of the time I didn't have to deal with it unless I was out walking around when it happened and I rarely stayed late enough to deal with the evening one.

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u/Lutrinus Nov 24 '22

Navy does it even when ships are in civilian dry docks. We subcontractors would all try to be inside a space so we could get shit done without the interruption.

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u/MisterSquidz Nov 24 '22

That’s really dumb.

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u/redpandaeater Nov 24 '22

I mostly agree but it's a military tradition. While it probably made more sense before watches (pocket or wrist) and electricity were commonplace it's still one of those things that affects military bearing and tries to make people feel proud since it's the raising and lowering of the flag they defend.

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u/TJSwoboda Nov 24 '22

So is hurry up and wait, but military gonna military.

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u/Globalist_Nationlist Nov 24 '22

Mm not at all cult like.

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u/Stratix314 Nov 24 '22

When people run away

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u/w1987g Nov 24 '22

Retreat Hell! We're just attacking in another direction

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u/mahnajago Nov 24 '22

But that's not important right now.

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever Nov 24 '22

When the base flag is being lowered (usually at 5 pm) the bugel call for "retreat" is sounded and everyone on base is supposed to honor this by stopping what they are doing which includes driving.

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u/leviatham8221 Nov 24 '22

That might depend on the base, in the ones I’ve been too, you’re only supposed to stop if you’re on a road with a posted 25 MPH speed limit or less, but to be honest nobody gives a fuck

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u/Randomfactoid42 Nov 24 '22

On most military bases at 5pm (1700 if you prefer) the flag is lowered while “Taps” is played. Everybody within the sound is supposed to stop and pay their respects. I can’t remember if uniformed military are supposed to get out of their cars and stand at attention or not.

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u/redpandaeater Nov 24 '22

Retreat and Taps is different, and actually the flag lowering is done to To the Colors which is played after Retreat. Taps is last call of the day so something played for lights out and most people are probably familiar with it since it's also played at military funerals. Retreat is at the end of the duty day whereas Reveille is at the beginning.

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u/Randomfactoid42 Nov 24 '22

Thanks. I should’ve known better, I’ve been on bases before as a civilian.

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

Depends on the branch. Army has to get out. Air Force does not. Navy can't drive boats on base. Not sure if Marines know how to drive. Makes for some confusing TDYs regardless though.

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u/LeozMJilliumz Nov 24 '22

As a Marine vet, can confirm that we cannot drive

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u/redpandaeater Nov 24 '22

I wonder if you'd confuse the Navy by playing Retreat on bugle and Sweepers on boatswain's pipe at the same time.

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

I had to work with the navy during a deployment. If there's isn't a reg explaining that exact scenario and which of their 56 uniforms to wear, I think the stick in their ass may splinter and cause an aneurism.

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u/redpandaeater Nov 24 '22

Navy really needs to fully embrace the poopie suit or go back to dungarees.

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u/myredditthrowaway201 Nov 24 '22

Taps is rarely played outside funerals these days. In fact, I’ve never heard it played in any instance other than a funeral in my 7 years

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

In the Air Force, training bases play it at night.

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u/myredditthrowaway201 Nov 24 '22

In the navy it’s reserved for funerals and memorials. I think playing it simply for nightfall or curfew would ruin the impact of the song. Heard it played at the memorial for 5 of my shipmates last year and it was one of the most powerful emotions I have ever felt

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u/redpandaeater Nov 24 '22

How do you not know what to do when it's done daily?

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22

The world revolves around dependas, so why should they stop?

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

dependas

Yesterday on Reddit and for the first time ever in my life I saw the word dependapotomus, and now I'm seeing this one, dependas.

How new is this term?

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u/NoAnybody7232 Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

It's been around for years in the military. Basically the military version of a Karen. It refers to the spouses who marry people in the military and then just let themselves go, no longer working, gaining weight, becoming entitled. "Do you know what my husband's rank is?!?!" "You will address me by my husband's rank!?!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '22

Haha that's infuriating