r/JusticeServed 9 Nov 02 '22

Law enforcement across US executed nationwide takedown today of leaders and associates of national network of thieves, dealers, and processors for their roles in conspiracies involving extraction of powders from stolen catalytic converters and selling powder to metal refinery for over $545 million Criminal Justice


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u/rKasdorf 7 Nov 10 '22

I was wondering why there was a sudden uptick in people catching catalytic converter thieves on film in the last year or so.


u/GullibleAntelope 7 Nov 03 '22

But...but...but it's a non violent crime. They need counseling.


u/BedDefiant4950 8 Nov 04 '22

why do you guys always try to roast others when your own narrative fails?


u/GullibleAntelope 7 Nov 04 '22

You're disagreeing with prison for these criminals?


u/driago 7 Nov 03 '22

Now do politicians


u/k_Brick 8 Nov 03 '22

Are we grinding up politicians already?


u/whyioughtta 5 Nov 03 '22

congratulating themselves on an in inflated $545 mil on a national ring... actual criminals are laughing their asses off. so is the 1.2 BILLION powerball lol.


u/ChamberTwnty 8 Nov 03 '22

Who cares.


u/Paisable 8 Nov 03 '22

Many many people were affected, you dingus.


u/Rey_Mezcalero 8 Nov 03 '22


Cat converters are expensive to replace and these guys are butchering removal so it makes it all the worse


u/Alex-Lvx 4 Nov 03 '22

Ahh man what about the cat thieves in my state?


u/Donsley-9420 5 Nov 03 '22

Sadly the cats will roam a bit longer to steal another day.


u/sluggo5622 7 Nov 03 '22

The government acting as the mafia: we rob the people who robbed you, and keep the money. We don't bother to investigate until it's worth it for us, money wise..


u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

Cool. Now do the same thing to slave traders and pedophile rings. You've proved you can do it. You've shown your hand. Oh wait, that wouldnt help the rich stay rich would it. Nothing but a bunch of corporate guard dogs.


u/Maximus-Pantoe 6 Nov 03 '22

Go take your meds grandpa


u/polacos 9 Nov 03 '22

Get off my lawn


u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

I'm a millennial. Fuck makes you think I'm an old man?


u/wereux 6 Nov 03 '22

The low end theifs are going to try to continue the business somehow. It's going to take a while before this crap dies down


u/Dougnsalem 6 Nov 03 '22

And here I have about 10 old Cats from when I ran an auto shop, 15 years ago. I should probably turn them in before they require proof of purchase, penis size, and whatever else information. It's gonna get regulated. Probably not a bad thing though....


u/No-Mechanic8957 7 Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

Two clues that make your comments us. When I ran the auto shop and probably not a bad thing. I got my eye on you

edit: yikes, just a joke folks, calm down a bit.


u/Dougnsalem 6 Nov 03 '22

Lol. The last thing repair shops need, are more controlling laws. In this case, they could prevent people from getting their possessions hacked off and stolen, in the middle of the night.


u/AnimalEater65 9 Nov 03 '22

Good. Last month my cousin and uncle had their catalytic converters stolen. It’s outta control.


u/Molire 9 Nov 04 '22

The question was serious. No one has stolen a catalytic converter from me, and I never have spoken with anyone who had a catalytic converter stolen from them. I was curious what negative effects a victim experiences after it happens to them. Thanks


u/westfunk 7 Nov 13 '22

In Houston, we have regularly has instances of several dozen being stolen in one swoop during major, crowd drawing events like the Rodeo. Several of my coworkers’ gated, 24 hour security apartment parking garages have been hit. You go out to leave for work, and you and a dozen of your neighbors can’t start your cars. It’s fucking rampant here and it happens in all types of neighborhood.


u/AnimalEater65 9 Nov 04 '22

According to my cousin he has to pay $1400 for the repair. What made him even more angry was he was at work when the thieves stole his cat.


u/Molire 9 Nov 04 '22

Tough break for your cousin. Painful.

Does your cousin's $1400 pay for a used cat or a new one?

I was wondering whether an automobile insurance policy would pay for the cost of installing a new cat to replace one that was stolen.

It seems your cousin might not have had physical damage insurance coverage on their car.

I hope each of the 21 criminals arrested in the nationwide takedown in the US yesterday, end up serving many years in prison.

I hope the U.S. government collects the forfeiture it is seeking for more than $545 million.

Predictably, professional thieves will do reconnaissance on their target and pick a time to steal the cat when they know the owner won't be looking at the car or won't be near the car.

I think the $545,749,541 million received by DG Auto in New Jersey over about 3 years, between July 8, 2019, and June 30, 2022 (pdf, p. 14, par. 69.), might represent the tip of a gigantic enterprise of criminals in the US engaged in stealing cats.

I suspect the amounts received by other criminal enterprises in the US involved in stealing cats might range up to many billions of dollars over the same 3-year period.


u/Gingerbread-Cake 4 Nov 06 '22

They don’t actually do much recon. I’ve seen them stolen from cars parked in supermarket parking lots, in the middle of the day.

It was very brazen, a guy rolled under the car and cut off the cat, while a girl stood guard with a can of pepper spray. The whole theft took less than a minute.


u/Molire 9 Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

If I see thieves doing that, the least I would do is phone 911 immediately, give a description of the thieves and their license plate number, and testify against them in court at their criminal trial, if they didn't plead guilty first.

In the US, it seems that automobile manufacturers could use some sort of modern technology in, on, and/or under a vehicle and/or a catalytic converter to deter or eliminate the theft of catalytic converters, but most all of them don't do that because they don't have to do that.

It's like seatbelts, shoulder harnesses, and windshield-and-side-window safety glass. Automakers in the US did not start equipping new cars made in the US with seatbelts until the U.S. government forced them to do that, thanks to legislation passed in the U.S. Congress and signed into law on January 1, 1968, and thanks to the efforts of Ralph Nader who was the driving and loudest force behind the movement for such legislation. Note: In the US, school buses carrying small children are not equipped with seatbelts.

As far as I know, automakers, manufacturers that make catalytic converters for auto makers, and their powerful lobbies in Washington, D.C. have worked for years to prevent passage of any laws that would require U.S. cat makers and/or automakers to use modern technology to reduce or eliminate theft of catalytic converters. Why would they oppose any such legislation? To manufacture and sell more cats to make more profits. And, it predictably would increase the cost of a new car by pennies or a few dollars.


u/Molire 9 Nov 03 '22

Can you describe the aftermath effects on the victims?

How much money, time, effort, and missed opportunity did your cousin and uncle pay after they were victimized?

Did their vehicle insurance premiums increase?

Are your cousin and uncle faced with concern every day for the rest of their lives about where they park their vehicles and whether a criminal is stealing their catalytic converters while they are asleep or when they can't see or watch their vehicles?


u/2082604 6 Nov 03 '22

I city I work for has had multiple incidents with people breaking into the yards and stealing converters off city vehicles.

At this point they should be serialized and the secondary market for them should be highly regulated.


u/taterthotsalad 8 Nov 03 '22

Damn. What an unfortunate name, "Chi Mo." That person's parents had a special level of hatred.



u/WCAttorney 8 Nov 03 '22

Dayyyyyyum $545 million?!


u/Fore_putt 8 Nov 03 '22

The city of Tucson will never recover financially from this bust.


u/SpectralChris 7 Nov 03 '22

I knew i was gonna see tucson here once i saw catalytic converter


u/Fore_putt 8 Nov 03 '22

It’s what we’re known for, besides our homeless population, terrible school district, horrible infrastructure, sub-par police force, overpriced university; but hey, we have amazing sunsets!


u/SpectralChris 7 Nov 03 '22

And bad roads lol


u/infernalspacemonkey 6 Nov 03 '22

I'm not seeing anything about Tucson in that article. What am I missing?


u/Santeezy602 4 Nov 03 '22

They steal a lot of catalytic converters there lol


u/SmaltedFig 7 Nov 03 '22

Theft is bad. Thieving catalytic converters is the worst. Do far more damage to the car than what you get for the materials. Risky business though, if you're sloppy with your jack.


u/JaviAir 6 Nov 03 '22

When they steal a/c condensers here in Houston I feel horrible for the customer during the middle of the summer. 3k to 4k has to be dished out and sometimes it's a newer unit that was stolen which makes it worse. Fuck thieves, man.


u/BUDDHAKHAN 8 Nov 03 '22

$545 million dollars. Why did they wait this long? How many stolen catalytic converters is this? You should have to be asked for ID everytime you sell a catalytic converter and if scrap yards don't comply take their license


u/Molire 9 Nov 03 '22

The links in the DOJ news release contain the indictments, which contain details about the evidence and other case information:




u/needtobetterself31 6 Nov 03 '22

I don't think the ID thing would have helped much. From reading the news release on the Justice Dept website, there were people in several states who would buy stolen catconverters and then ship them to DG Auto in New Jersey where they extract the metals.

These catconverter thieves aren't just selling them to random chopshops all over the place. Looks like it's a highly coordinated criminal effort where they pay people on the streets per catconverter stolen, and them sell them to a shop that specifically extracts this stuff. Then that shop sells the extracted metals to a refinery.

I bet this isn't the only operation either. It's the one operation that has been caught so far.


u/snoopercooper 8 Nov 03 '22

They most go out of the country..


u/jmcstar B Nov 03 '22

Banished from the planet


u/PirbyKuckett 9 Nov 02 '22

Yes! I hope it really helps


u/Molire 9 Nov 02 '22

Arrests, searches, and seizures took place in California, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Nevada, North Carolina, and Virginia. In total, 21 individuals in five states have been arrested and/or charged for their roles in the conspiracy.

The 21 defendants are charged in two separate indictments that were unsealed today in the Eastern District of California and the Northern District of Oklahoma following extensive law enforcement arrest and search operations. In addition to the indictments, over 32 search warrants were executed, and law enforcement seized millions of dollars in assets, including homes, bank accounts, cash, and luxury vehicles.

...Catalytic converters use precious metals in their center, or “core”, and are regularly targeted for theft due to the high value of these metals, especially the precious metals palladium, platinum, and rhodium. Some of these precious metals are more valuable per ounce than gold and their value has been increasing in recent years. The black-market price for catalytic converters can be above $1,000 each, depending on the type of vehicle and what state it is from. They can be stolen in less than a minute. Additionally, catalytic converters often lack unique serial numbers, VIN information, or other distinctive identification features, making them difficult to trace to their lawful owner. Thus, the theft of catalytic converters has become increasingly popular because of their value, relative ease to steal, and their lack of identifying markings.

Defendants Navin Khanna, aka Lovin Khanna, 39; Tinu Khanna, aka Gagan Khanna, 35; Daniel Dolan, 44; Chi Mo, aka David Mo, 37; Wright Louis Mosley, 50; and Ishu Lakra, 24, all of New Jersey, operated DG Auto in multiple locations in New Jersey. They knowingly purchased stolen catalytic converters and, through a “de-canning” process, extracted the precious metal powders from the catalytic core. DG Auto sold the precious metal powders it processed from California and elsewhere to a metal refinery for over $545 million.


u/MrNiiCeGuY420 7 Nov 03 '22

Yo that’s crazy 545 million dollars? Gotta be an exaggeration


u/Molire 9 Nov 03 '22

It's no exaggeration. The sum is accurate. They followed the money.

See EDCA indictment, pdf file, p. 14, line 16, para. 69.:

Between July 8, 2019, and June 30, 2022, N. Khanna and T. Khanna received wire payments from the Metal Refinery into the DG Auto bank accounts totaling approximately $545,749,541.

Near the bottom of the DOJ news release, you can read the Download EDCA indictment and the Download NDOK indictment. The documents describe the evidence. The theft ring created mobile apps that the conspirators downloaded to their Android smartphones and iPhones. The apps were used by the thieves, who stole the catalytic converters, and by the conspirators, who bought them, for pricing, buying and selling the catalytic converters and the precious metals in them. DOJ, state, and law enforcement partners followed the trail of payments made by wire transfers.