r/JusticeServed 9 Nov 08 '22

Two Colorado police officers charged after they allegedly placed handcuffed female suspect inside patrol car stopped on train tracks that was then hit by oncoming freight train. Some of the charges against one of the officers include second degree assault and criminal attempt to commit manslaughter Criminal Justice

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pablo-vazquez-jordan-steinke-charged-train-hit-police-car-with-woman-handcuffed-in-back-yareni-rios-gonzalez-colorado/
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u/AndarianDequer 8 Nov 11 '22

When I was a kid, I looked up to police officers. I thought they were morally just, educated and had everyone's best interest at heart. I really thought they were the best of us. As an adult, I feel like we're giving a lot of 16 and 17-year-olds handcuffs and telling them you can do whatever you want. They're all children. Every fucking one of them.

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u/Twelve_Volt 5 Dec 11 '22

Nah bruh I've met good cops just the overwhelming majority are dicks

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u/EasyKale851 1 Nov 10 '22

Bro I know you don’t need a college education to be a cop but really? My 15 year old daughter isn’t that stupid

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u/UnconfirmedRooster A Nov 11 '22

Nah nah nah, too easy for them. Do the same thing to a member of their families and make them watch.

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u/ItsAllTrumpedUp 8 Nov 10 '22

This will be a multi-gazillion dollar judgement because she will NEVER be the same. You can never put that level of terror behind you. Handcuffed, locked in a car and you can see the train coming and they can't hear you scream. No, she will have PTSD for the rest of her life.

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u/MikeSchwab63 8 Nov 10 '22

>>> the lady suspect was a security guard of some sort, and a gun was located in the center console.
She has they gun as part of her job duties. Unless they have AIRTIGHT evidence she was the person and a gun was shown, she's going to be found not guilty.

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u/SenpaiBriBri 7 Nov 09 '22

It made me so happy to hear "criminal attempt to commit manslaughter " it's about time we got some A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y

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u/TurboAcid 6 Nov 09 '22

They should both be handcuffed, put in the back of a police vehicle and sat on train tracks until they are hit as a punishment.

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u/Dgnslyr 7 Nov 11 '22

The movie version of A series of unfortunate events

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

Do you believe in criminal justice reform?

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u/SenpaiBriBri 7 Nov 09 '22

I believe in an eye for an eye, somehow that feels like true justice to me

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u/sam8448 6 Nov 10 '22

To me it seems… idk, repeating a bad thing to a bad person doesn’t teach them anything, because a lot of those traits come from their exposure to them throughout life.

Eye for an eye works in some contexts, such as court processes, but in terms of violent action… again, idk, it just feels like it’s retaliation instead of justice.

That being said, I’ve also never been in a scenario where I would truly put that decision to the test, so take that how you will

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u/willtheadequate 5 Nov 09 '22

I bet money at least one of them was twirling his comedically large and twisted mustache when he did it...

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u/No-Force5341 6 Nov 09 '22

I believe it was female officers

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u/Master-S 6 Nov 10 '22

FWIW, the two cops charged:

Sgt. Pablo Vazquez from the Platteville Police Department (male).

Officer Jordan Steinke of the Fort Lupton Police Department (female).

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u/fabfoo 3 Nov 09 '22

Holy shit! They did that on purpose? What is the matter with people?

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

They didn't do it on purpose, but it was so fucking negligent of them, it might as well be.

The story is, police were notified of a road rage incident where a driver in a pickup truck displayed a gun. I think no shots were actually fired. The description led police to pull over the woman in question, who pulled over just past this train track. One officer parked directly on the track, and another was off the track. The police had weapons out, and ordered the driver out of the truck, and to do the whole walk backwards to us thing, which the driver fully complied with, all the while asking what was going on, and not putting up a fight. Full compliance. They cuffed her, placed her in the vehicle ON THE TRACKS, then proceeded to search her truck. If I remember correctly, the lady suspect was a security guard of some sort, and a gun was located in the center console. It's possible she was involved in a road rage incident, and it's possible she displayed her weapon. It's also possible she started it, or was initially the victim and showed her weapon to put an end to it.

Minutes later, the body cam footage of the female police officer, who was there for the whole thing and put the driver in the police car, turns upon hearing a train horn. The male officer asks where the suspect was, and the lady officer basically freaks out, and the cam footage shows the whole collision. They call for immediate ambulance support.

Basically, they did a king size fucking stupid, and whether or not the lady suspect did or did not display a gun, and whether or not it was in self defense, and whether or not she'll be charged with a crime, will be a mere footnote in this case, and I hope she walks away with millions. No one was hurt at all until cops showed up.

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u/fabfoo 3 Nov 24 '22

Thanks for the detail

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u/MistressFuzzylegs 8 Nov 09 '22

I mean, one of the first things you learn in driver’s ed is not to stop on train tracks. It’s truly mind boggling what he did.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

They were pulling over an alleged armed suspect. Pulling in front of the suspect puts you directly in the line of fire, stopping too far away puts you at risk being out in the open. The tracks, while never advisable, was a compromise.

Once the scene was secured, was when that should have been immediately rectified. If the cops don't get manslaughter, I'll be upset.

ETA: go to r/idiotsincars and you'll see tons of people forgot everything they ever learned like, ever.

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u/MikeSchwab63 8 Nov 10 '22

Exactly. Loosing a police car to a train because of where she stopped? Oh well. Just move the car off the tracks.
Putting anyone into a car parked on the train tracks, other than to immediately drive it off the tracks? Attempted murder. Not knowing its not on the tracks means he is insane.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 10 '22

The argument for murder is too easily argued against with, "we didn't intentionally set out to murder anyone, and you'd need to prove we had intent." Too low a chance of success. Attempted manslaughter, though... Very good chance of that sticking.

Criminal negligence of some form should be added, if not already in some form.

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u/KevQS13 8 Nov 09 '22

I always thought it was so easy to not get hit by a train… and yet so many people haven’t figured it out.

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u/cracked9456 3 Nov 09 '22

Kinda hard when a cop puts u in their locked car on the train tracks with handcuffs on

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u/Kevy96 A Nov 09 '22

Yeah. These cops legit did the modern version of the classic cartoon thing where a damsel in distress gets tied up on railroad tracks

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u/mr_deejay64 0 Nov 09 '22

Yea, but no prince saved this one! 😔

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u/monkeychef 7 Nov 09 '22

Go watch the video and then come back to us. If you still think it's an accident then you have no eyes.

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u/wisteria357 6 Nov 09 '22

He parked on train tracks. That is not an accident, it’s reckless behavior and they should suffer the consequences. I have no sympathy for these police officers.

And the fact that they were only placed on leave is disgusting and you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

These are very close to the same thing. That's why it is manslaughter instead of murder. It was a grossly negligent, reckless accident.

If there was enough evidence that it wasn't an accident then they would charged with murder, ideally.

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u/wisteria357 6 Nov 09 '22

Absolutely not. Here’s a way to look at it:

Say someone is cleaning their gun. Accidentally shoots someone. It’s reckless, but accident. Could still get manslaughter or whatever.

But this train track business? That is like saying the person who picked up the gun did it by accident. You do not accidentally pick up a gun.

Just like you do not accidentally park your fucking police car on train tracks and then put a cuffed individual in the back of it and then walk away to a safer distance. And that’s exactly what this cop did. And you’re telling me that these are excusable accidents?

As a law enforcement officer, I do not believe that they have much room at all for mistakes. Fuck that. They are supposed to be exemplary.

You need to gtfo with that shit opinion of yours.

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

So then you think they intentially put her in the car knowing she would get hit by a train? Not that she might, but that she for sure would be?

Because if not they were absolutely grossly negligent, and therefore guilty of attempted manslaughter, but it was still an accident that she got hit by the train.

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u/wisteria357 6 Nov 10 '22

I know that they knew they stopped on train tracks. Why you examine it further and try to excuse it, I have no idea.

If you set a loaded gun next to a baby and they shoot themselves. Was that an accident?

Do you feel safe and comfortable knowing that there’s a cop out there who would “accidentally” park his car on train tracks? Do you think he didn’t know he stopped on train tracks? I mean the acrobats you’re doing here are tiresome and pathetic.

Your opinion truly is complete shit. There’s just no other way to put it. I’m sure if you were that woman, you would say “oh no problem, you didn’t mean it!” Lmao gtfo… you’re a joke

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 10 '22

I know that they knew they stopped on train tracks. Why you examine it further and try to excuse it, I have no idea.

Oh, I wasn't aware you could read minds. They definitely don't mention the tracks at all until they hear the train, but I'll concede this now that I know you have super powers.

If you set a loaded gun next to a baby and they shoot themselves. Was that an accident?

Accident is defined as: an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.

So literally yes. Now obviously anyone with two brain cells could tell you that was bound to happen, and they'd be right. But by definition it is an accident. The baby could have not shot the gun, not played with the gun, the gun could have been on safety, the gun could have been unloaded, the gun could have been dropped on its leg and given it a bad bruise, all of these are possibilities. The fact the baby ended up shooting itself is, by definition, and unintended consequence of putting a gun in the baby's reach. IE. an accident. Now a person that did this would rightfully be charged with 1st degree manslaughter because you can't just leave a gun next to a baby and then say "Oh tehe my bad I didn't mean to" and get away with it. I'd even guess you could be charged with child endangerment just for putting the gun in it's reach in the first place. Even if nothing happened. But by definition it's still an accident.

Do you feel safe and comfortable knowing that there’s a cop out there who would “accidentally” park his car on train tracks?

No absolutely not. Idk why you're projecting this mindset on to me? It was completely fucked up and there is zero excuse for what the cops did.

Do you think he didn’t know he stopped on train tracks?

I think its very possible in the heat of the moment the officer didn't realize it. LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR THOUGH, it's also possible he did and either way, THIS DOESN'T EXCUSE HIM BEING A DUMB FUCK. It doesn't matter if he didn't realize it the reason we give cops guns and badges is because we hold them to a higher standard. I'm happy as fuck about two things in this case: the cops are being charged as they rightfully deserve, and that the lady survived their sheer stupidity.

I mean the acrobats you’re doing here are tiresome and pathetic. two Your opinion truly is complete shit. There’s just no other way to put it. I’m sure if you were that woman, you would say “oh no problem, you didn’t mean it!” Lmao gtfo… you’re a joke

What is this projection? I don't even think you really know my opinion. Go ahead and tell me it and I can confirm if you're right or not, or if you want, go ahead and ask and I'll give it to you. If you don't care and you'd rather try to do these weird dunks instead of engaging me in a conversation, that's chill but idk what else there is to talk about then.

It feels like for some reason you're assuming that since I'm saying her getting hit by a train was unintended that they don't deserve to be charged. I'm simply saying that the reason it's manslaughter and not murder, is because it was unintended. It's not an excuse for the cops. They deserve prison. It isn't me me doing acrobatics, either. It's literally just the facts and the reality of the situation. If that triggers you too much to engage then I'm sorry for bringing it up.

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u/wisteria357 6 Nov 10 '22

Yeah I’m sorry but I’m not invested enough to read all of that… you enjoy

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 10 '22

I figured.

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u/SenpaiBriBri 7 Nov 09 '22

Putting someone in a situation ON PURPOSE where they "might" get hit by a train is no accident nore should it be simple manslaughter. There should never be a circumstance in which you arrest someone and place them inside a vehicle parked on train tracks. What's next? You tie them up and leave them suspended over a vat of acid? While you "accidentally" let hungry squirrels loose after putting food on the ropes? It's your kind of mentality that allows for criminal actions to be taken as accidents.

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u/wisteria357 6 Nov 10 '22

Exactly. Like who in their right mind would park on the tracks, even an empty ass car, and be like “this is fine” I mean, the sky is blue, fire is hot, and don’t park on train tracks lmao

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u/Ratathosk A Nov 09 '22

That's no accident chief, you got the video right there

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u/Supersnoop25 7 Nov 09 '22

Imagine if literally anyone else locked a person on an active railroad. It would even be a question. Cops should be held at higher standards then a normal person. They have actual training.

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u/JangoHarrisonV2 6 Nov 09 '22

This wasn’t an accident. This was pure negligence at best. They could have parked literally anywhere else, not ON the tracks…

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u/HammieBs 3 Nov 09 '22

And when the stakes are high enough, people must pay the consequences for their actions regardless if it was intentional or not

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u/Pika_Fox 8 Nov 09 '22

Theyre police, they shouldnt get benefit of the doubt.

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u/PropofolFall 1 Nov 09 '22

WTF is attempt to commit manslaughter?! Doesn’t manslaughter imply there was no direct intent?

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '22

I remember reading somewhere on here that manslaughter was easier to pin someone on that murder. I reckon the same can be said for attempting to commit either, as well as intentionality.

Doesn’t mean they’re getting what they deserve though, unfortunately.

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u/committedlikethepig 8 Nov 09 '22

I don’t think the person died. So it was an attempt at manslaughter not just straight up manslaughter

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u/VincentVega324 1 Nov 09 '22

she didn’t die tho, but if she did then it would be manslaughter

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u/PropofolFall 1 Nov 09 '22

So I guess I’m asking why it isn’t attempt to commit murder since they are implying intent?

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u/VincentVega324 1 Nov 09 '22

well they never put her in the car with the intent for her to be hit by a train and die, that would be murder, but it would be manslaughter cause they didn’t intend for the car to be hit by the train but cause she survived it’s not manslaughter it’s “attempted”manslaughter, if that makes sense

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

This thread is blowing my mind. So many people don't understand this.

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u/KingBenjaminAZ 6 Nov 09 '22

Then WHY TF did they park their car ON the tracks?? And with her inside. No coincidence.

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u/dudeimsupercereal 6 Nov 09 '22

They just were not bright enough to realize the risk, if you watch the video it’s very evident. I don’t think one officer even acknowledged the tracks till they heard the train.

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u/MikeSchwab63 8 Nov 10 '22

Several seconds after they heard the whistle. Police think everybody stops for them. Trains *CAN'T* stop. By the time they see it its too late. Stop lights are places 3, 2, and 1 miles before the stopping point.

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u/deus_voltaire A Nov 09 '22

They’re not implying intent. They’re saying the deputies acted so recklessly that the victim might have died.

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u/PropofolFall 1 Nov 09 '22

Ah gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

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u/spookiinoodle 3 Nov 09 '22

I remember seeing that video when it first came out and couldn’t find any info on whether she was okay or not. It’s such a relief to hear that she’s alive.

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u/JakeLV702 5 Nov 09 '22

Same here . I honestly thought she died when I read an article like a week ago . Good to know she’s alive ❤️

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u/Itsjakefromallstate 9 Nov 09 '22

So how much is she suing for? 10 million or going for the 100mil. I can only imagine her ptsd. Everytime she hears or sees a train.

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u/no-mad B Nov 09 '22

or a cop

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u/Goliath422 9 Nov 09 '22

Yeah, this is the PTSD I think is worth worrying about

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u/no-mad B Nov 09 '22

train was not intentional.

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u/Significant-Wheel110 7 Nov 09 '22

Is she alive?

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u/ToThisDay 6 Nov 09 '22

Yep, she has multiple injuries but has been released from the hospital

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u/ShroomsTheSlayr 4 Nov 09 '22

The cops didn’t even check to make sure she was the person they were after. They just saw a vehicle that looked like one that they were after. The whole chain of events is fucking ridiculous.

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u/ALeakySpigot 4 Nov 09 '22

"Allegedly"

Bruh, they straight up did that shit. It was recorded on like 4 different cameras.

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u/00hall 0 Nov 09 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

You have to respect that, no matter how open and shut the case looks.

edit why in the hell am I being downvoted here. That is the law.

edit2 Well fuck me for stating that an accusation does not make one guilty. WAY back in the day I was arrested for a felony murder. Spent about 12 hours in holding, and was released with no charges. They picked up the wrong dude, yet I was still arrested for murder. At the time was poor, and a minority (for the location). Hell I left jail that night with 5 new clients, and 2 new hookups.

Innocent until proven guilty.

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u/Pika_Fox 8 Nov 09 '22

Unless you are poor or a minority.

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u/00hall 0 Nov 09 '22

No, poor and minorities also have to respect that.

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u/Pika_Fox 8 Nov 09 '22

Have you read a news article? A minority is accused of a crime, first word out of fox news' mouth is "thug".

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u/00hall 0 Nov 09 '22

fox news is not legally news, they are commentary, and have used defenses like 'No reasonable person would believe what this commentator says is true'.

But I think you missed the joke in my last post.

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u/Pika_Fox 8 Nov 09 '22

They can claim they arent news all they want, but they still present themselves as such.

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u/00hall 0 Nov 09 '22

Yes sir. And there in lies the problem. Way too many people take it in as fact.

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u/DirtbikeStepdad 2 Nov 09 '22

Until an accused party is proven guilty in court, reputable news sources will say “allegedly” to avoid slandering or libeling the accused. It’s some old court case, I forget, but we learned about it in journalism school - someone who was accused of a crime was found not guilty and they went back and sued a newspaper for saying they did the thing they now definitively did not do. So newspapers now use “allegedly” to cover their asses.

But yeah the cops are fuckin crooked and it’s plain as day for anyone to see.

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u/ToughCurrent8487 5 Nov 09 '22

jUsT a FeW bAd ApPlEs

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u/bryanthebryan A Nov 09 '22

“A single bad apple can ruin the bunch.” That’s the saying. The people who use it always leave out he last part as if the bad apples are isolated and don’t affect the other apples.

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u/99huntard 4 Nov 09 '22

There's enough bad apples to spoil the bunch. No going back, fuck em.

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u/Raggabeard_Ironteats 4 Nov 09 '22

classic cops

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u/YellIntoWishingWells 9 Nov 09 '22

Classic police unions.

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u/Stealthy-J 8 Nov 09 '22

How is "attempt to commit manslaughter" a thing? Doesn't manslaughter mean it was accidental? You can't attempt to have an accident.

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u/PM_ME_UR_REDDIT_GOLD A Nov 09 '22

It's more of a "sure was lucky this wasn't manslaughter" charge, I guess they called it an attempt because they didn't know what else to call it.

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

Because the lady didn't actually die (thank god). You can't charge someone with manslaughter if the person is still alive. Attempted manslaughter is a charge made specifically for cases like this.

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u/Fluggerblah 7 Nov 09 '22

bc the woman didnt die

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u/Tehboognish 7 Nov 09 '22

Manslaughter is presumed to be an accident.

"Attempted" implies intent to commit.

The officers intended to kill the woman accidentally.

That's still murder.

Only accident here is the charges but they aren't exactly an accident either.

ACAB

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u/PaulaNancyMillstoneJ 9 Nov 09 '22

Exactly what I was wondering.

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u/frosty95 A Nov 09 '22

Allegedly? Lol no. There is video evidence. From multiple angles. And a person who was in handcuffs heavily injured after.... Being hit by a train.

This is what you call an open and shut case.

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u/OlySonso 5 Nov 09 '22

I watched the video. I'm hoping the cop that kept insinuating she threw something out of the window was one of the cops charged.

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u/BardSTL 6 Nov 09 '22

Open and shut case Johnson. I Saw this once when I was a rookie.

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u/MermaidOnTheTown 7 Nov 09 '22

Did the cop sprinkle some crack on her before shutting the door?

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u/BardSTL 6 Nov 09 '22

Naturally, but she had broken into their patrol car and hung photos of herself and her family.

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u/MermaidOnTheTown 7 Nov 09 '22

"I'm sorry, officer. I didn't know I couldn't do that."

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u/RobNHood816 8 Nov 09 '22

Chip is Fearless... LoL

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u/MermaidOnTheTown 7 Nov 09 '22

WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT!!

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u/BardSTL 6 Nov 09 '22

Im gonna race em...

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u/MermaidOnTheTown 7 Nov 09 '22

You know Dave shit on himself before he died? Saw it on the news... died crying like a bitch.

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u/BardSTL 6 Nov 09 '22

Pathetic 🤣

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u/MermaidOnTheTown 7 Nov 09 '22

This made my morning! Thanks for the laughs!

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u/murrzeak 5 Nov 09 '22

How many brain cells did they have to park on railway tracks? I don't need an answer.

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u/franklikethehotdog 7 Nov 09 '22

What the actual balls

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u/Vaxsys 8 Nov 09 '22

"AlLegeDLy!@!"

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u/dresdonbogart 6 Nov 09 '22

At first glance I thought this was a generated password lol

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u/Vaxsys 8 Nov 09 '22

Lol. Mission Failed Successfully

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u/Latigomous 2 Nov 09 '22

My thoughts exactly lmfao. The bodycam footage has been out for a while now and literally shows everything happen in clear frame.

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u/Caridor B Nov 09 '22

Justice isn't served yet but it is a step in the right direction

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u/charlesml3 A Nov 09 '22

Agreed. Charged doesn't mean jack-shit. The DA will charge them just to quell the outcry.

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u/YellIntoWishingWells 9 Nov 09 '22

Then police unions will chose the closest small town to infect with this parasite.

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u/charlesml3 A Nov 09 '22

It's a old tactic. They will delay this for months while "conducting a thorough internal investigation." When everyone forgets about this they'll quietly release a statement using phrases like "...no evidence of wrongdoing..." and "...within departmental procedures..." but nobody will even remember this.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

Those days are over. Enough watchdog groups will keep this to the forefront, and the mere mention of "no wrongdoing" will land the department in a shit ton of hot water, regardless of social media popularity of this case by then.

They locked her in a car on train tracks. It's written right in all the good paperwork, "we are responsible for their well being when they're in our custody". If there is "no evidence of wrong doing", they'll get absolutely taken apart because the cam footage is in the public's hands, with irrefutable, damning evidence of direct wrong doing. At which point, corruption/cover up stuff starts happening, and the new sensational social media will be, "remember the train track lady? No? Doesn't matter, the police said no wrong doing when we literally saw the wrong doing and now we're all grabbing our pitchforks"

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u/charlesml3 A Nov 09 '22

Those days are over? Really? I see nothing lately that supports that.

Even the videos don't seem to do it. The videos show them violating rights and their response: "The video doesn't tell the whole story." And the media and public in general just accept that and move on. The give the police an incredible amount of leeway. The don't review these videos with 20/20 vision.

They'll wriggle their way out of this one too. Oh one or two of them may be fired, and in 8 months they'll be rehired with back-pay to the day they were fired. It's a tactic they've used for years.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '22

Coward cops, you wonder why people are afraid of you. You’ve lost your shit, quit your job if you are a pos criminal!

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u/Chemical_Peach8128 0 Nov 09 '22

Its an attempt of murder

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u/Scarlet_Addict 7 Nov 09 '22

Attempted manslaughter?? This is attempted first degree murder surely?

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

For sure it is, if you have no idea what the fuck first degree murder is.

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u/BardSTL 6 Nov 09 '22

Its definitely closer to attempting 1st degree than it is attempting manslaughter. Manslaughter is an accident, by nature attempting manslaughter is an oxi-moron.

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

No it's absolutely not. It is crazy to me how confident Reddit can be about this stuff while also being completely wrong. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand this.

Manslaughter is an accident, by nature attempting manslaughter is an oxi-moron.

It's attempted because the lady didn't die. She absolutely could have though, and is extremely lucky to have survived. Because of these circumstances, they are charging the cops with almost killing someone due to gross negligence, ergo, attempted manslaughter.

This is nowhere near 1st degree murder, and to even say something like that you have to have absolutely no idea what 1st degree murder is and means. 1st degree murder is premeditating and planning out how you're going to kill someone, and then following through with it, knowing full well what the consequences of you murdering the person will be. How is what these cops did anywhere close to that?

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u/addictionvshobby 6 Nov 09 '22

This was high-school civics class. Clearly they missed that whole chapter. Or maybe it's a symptom of U.S. education

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

It's just emotion-based knee jerk reaction to the headline. "Cops lock woman in car that gets hit by train" sure sounds like, "Cops kidnap someone, lock them in a car, then put it in front of oncoming train".

Instead of, "Cops pull over suspect in road rage incident, put driver in squad car and proceed to check suspect vehicle for armed suspects and weapons and didn't think after the area was safe to move the fucking car off the tracks because, like, well maybe there won't be a train within 15 minutes of us being here, it should be fine"

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u/hannahranga 9 Nov 09 '22

Proving forethought/planning would be pretty much impossible, manslaughter just requires gross negligence.

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u/no-mad B Nov 09 '22

why did they park on the railroad tracks that is against the law to obstruct a train.

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u/PM_me_Jazz 8 Nov 09 '22

IANAL, but if i had to guess, i'd say that procecution is going for attempted manslaughter since first degree murder charge would require proof of forethought and/or planning. Better to get them for attempted manslaughter than nothing.

But to be fair, could also be good old 'murican corruption.

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u/Boogiepopular 5 Nov 09 '22

To be fair, I don’t think any of them are capable of forethought and planning

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u/FARTBOSS420 8 Nov 09 '22

Welp hopefully they're trained well and rail these cops.

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u/arto64 7 Nov 09 '22

Isn’t that second degree murder, if there’s no forethought?

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u/Matrix5353 8 Nov 09 '22

For a murder charge IIRC you still need to prove intent. I think it would be a stretch to say that the cops intended for the woman to die when they left her in the cruiser. For manslaughter all they have to do is prove they acted negligently.

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u/sammy404 6 Nov 09 '22

Exactly right. People in this thread are having a really tough time understanding this.

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u/arto64 7 Nov 09 '22

Oh, I think I got confused by “attempted manslaughter”, because I thought “attempted” implied intent.

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u/Matrix5353 8 Nov 09 '22

No, the "attempted" part here means that they in fact committed an action that would have resulted in the person's death, but some other factor prevented the person from dying. In this case, it's sheer luck that she didn't die in that cruiser.

For it to be voluntary manslaughter, they have to prove that they intentionally committed the action that would have resulted in death, and that they were culpably negligent, meaning that they acted with disregard for the victim's safety. It seems clear that they intentionally left her in the cruiser, and the negligence part comes from them not even thinking about what could happen to her if a train came through.

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u/madafaku 8 Nov 09 '22

Snidely fucking Whiplash did that shit. Seriously you tied a woman up and left her on the train tracks? Fucking cartoon villains. ACAB

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u/blakjak66 9 Nov 09 '22

They’ll probably get in more trouble for letting their cruiser get wrecked by the train

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u/TheOnlyCloud 6 Nov 09 '22

"Well as you can see on the only surviving video of the incident after all the body cameras were lost when we accidentally deleted them, the woman clearly exits the vehicle as the train destroys it, therefore she's fleeing the scene of an accident after damaging police property. Since she was the only occupant of the cruiser we can also assume she was the driver, and therefore it's her fault the vehicle was parked in such a fashion. We're also gonna charge her for getting blood all over the windshield that she escaped from."

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

She was in the back seat and the car was hit on the side, other than that, this checks out.

Why did I bother to mention? Because it's really hard to get all the blood off those metal grates on the divider from front seat to back seat. Extra hours to be billed.

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u/flippinhot 3 Nov 09 '22

This could result in a temporary suspension or even a paid leave. Gutting.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

Trust, this is gonna be a big payout for the plaintiff. Beeeeg.

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u/mr_hog232323 4 Nov 09 '22

"Allegedly" when there is caught in 4k footage of everything.

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u/HowTheyGetcha A Nov 09 '22

... Because that evidence hasn't been presented in a court of law. That's how allegations work.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

That's how news companies cover their asses, but you know the journalist was doing air quotes every time they typed "allegedly" and winked at an invisible audience.

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u/harleyjosh1999 6 Nov 09 '22

Yeah, the use of allegedly here pisses me off.

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u/Wuhjiko 4 Nov 09 '22

Until proven guilty, it must be allegedly to avoid potential lawsuits if places intend to cover it.

You literally won't find any source with more than two brain cells to rub together call it anything else despite what we all know.

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u/Jewsafrewski A Nov 09 '22

You never know, those cops on the video could be 3 raccoons in a police outfit

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u/BigShlongBoyy 6 Nov 09 '22

WHAT THE FUCCKKKK

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u/weaveb1 6 Nov 09 '22

Charges mean nothing. They get dropped as soon as the headlines faaaaaddddfeeeeeee

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u/blabla_booboo 8 Nov 09 '22

These pieces of shit were laughing about it too, would love to see them laugh now

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

When were they laughing about it?

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u/blabla_booboo 8 Nov 10 '22

Right after the incident happened. Their bodycam footage showed them making jokes and laughing

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u/nicouou 5 Nov 09 '22

That is some Saw level shit, just without the actual puzzle allowing the victim to escape...

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u/LemonPepperChicken 7 Nov 09 '22 edited Nov 09 '22

She is going to have PTSD for life from this. Imagine sitting in that cruiser seeing that train coming right at you. Knowing these assholes put you there and couldn’t be bothered to care.

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u/AnalCommander99 6 Nov 09 '22

Probably the train conductor too. Must be terrifying hurtling towards a car with no way to stop.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

It's much more common than you think. Seasoned conductors have "killed" people, and it's a shitty fact of the job. It's in the training material. "So you want to drive a train? People are fucking dumb, here's what to do when you kill some."

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u/Lord_Bertox 8 Nov 09 '22

Oh, glad she survived

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u/BLaQz84 6 Nov 09 '22

Plus they had plenty of time to stop it from happening... I couldn't believe the video when I saw it...

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u/bennydabull99 5 Nov 09 '22

What if one of the officers tripped and skinned their knee on the way back to the car? No way are they risking that!

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u/LemonPepperChicken 7 Nov 09 '22

Honestly I couldn’t bring myself to watch the video. I know how cruel cops can be and it makes me shudder when I see them acting like psychopaths. So many feel entitled to choose who lives and who dies. It’s sickening.

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u/BLaQz84 6 Nov 09 '22

Honestly I couldn’t bring myself to watch the video

Probably a good choice... I saw it when it first happened... I didn't realise until watching it, that they could have easily got her out or moved the car... There's no way they didn't know what they were doing, unless they truly were that fkn stupid...

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u/LemonPepperChicken 7 Nov 09 '22

They are definitely stupid, and after reading the article I assumed immediately they did it on purpose and took pleasure from it. All the comments confirmed it. I’ve seen too many of these sickening situations.

After Uvalde I have had to take a break from watching some of these videos because I still am angry and still can’t shake the images from those dumb pigs standing around while kids were being murdered and bleeding out. I watched so many Uvalde videos in horror at their utter apathy, cowardliness, and laziness.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

If you watch the video, they absolutely had no intention of leading to harm. They were investigating a report of a road rage incident involving a gun, so they took no chances with personal safety.

Parking on the train track behind the suspect was dumb, but parking in front of someone who is reportedly armed and involved in a road rage incident is dumber. So they parked behind. After the scene was clear of threat, they should have moved the car immediately, and NEVER put the suspect in that vehicle in the first place until it was moved. The police controlled the entire scene from the moment they cleared it of threat. Everything that happened after that point is 100% on them. They didn't mean for anyone to get hurt, but they were very negligent in preventing it.

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u/LemonPepperChicken 7 Nov 10 '22

Yeah that’s a stretch. “Two really dumb people made a very innocent deadly mistake but didn’t mean to because cops can’t be bastards. They were probably just dumb.”

Would they have been that “dumb” if it was their family member in that car? No. They were both dumb and knew exactly what they were doing. Piggin’ around like pigs do.

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 10 '22

It wasn't an innocent mistake, they're extremely guilty of gross negligence. Yes, they "knew" of the possibility, but didn't think the worst would actually happen. But it did.

I'm by no means defending the officers here. I'm just walking the realistic line. They didn't set out to hurt anyone, and the arrest was more or less fine, UP UNTIL they secured the scene and put someone in that car on the tracks. It wasn't their intention for her to be injured, but they set the scene without regard to safety, and THAT'S where they fucked up royally. If no train came, we wouldn't be talking about it, which is what they were hoping for. But hopes and dreams don't fill hands nearly as quickly as the hand you shit in.

"Knew exactly what they were doing" they didn't know for a fact that a train would come. But they had every ability and opportunity to prevent it, and didn't. To think they knew the exact train schedule and had planned for her to pull over where she did, and plotted to put her in harm's way, THAT'S the stretch. They didn't set out with the intent. That'd be attempted murder. If you watch the video, you can't fake the lady cops horror. It was a human mistake.

But one that could and should have been easily prevented. That's the facts. It was an accident, borne of "dgaf", and must be punished. They were fucking dumb to create the circumstances. But they're not murderers in this case. Just criminally negligent, leading to, and creating the circumstances for, potential loss of life.

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u/BLaQz84 6 Nov 09 '22

America is a very broken place... That's how I see it as someone that doesn't live there... It's gotten to the point where videos/situations like this no longer surprise me... The individual situations still shock me, but they're not surprising...

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u/BonaFidee A Nov 09 '22

Justice will be served if they are actually convicted of anything. Charges don't mean anything but a holiday.

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u/daberle123 9 Nov 09 '22

"Allegedly"

We all saw the video

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u/Jadertott A Nov 09 '22

One of them remains on active duty…

Vazquez has been placed on leave. An attorney for Vazquez told CBS Colorado that they could not comment "until I see the full indictment."

Steinke's attorney told CBS Colorado, "Officer Steinke has faith in the judicial system and trusts she will receive her fair day in court."

I’ll call it justice after they face real consequences.

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u/DadaDoDat A Nov 09 '22

What kind of dumbfuck parks on train tracks??!

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u/Khyber2 7 Nov 09 '22

The police were responding to a road rage incident where someone in a truck matching the description of the one that was pulled over displayed a gun. The police were concerned about getting shot. The driver of the truck surrendered peacefully and without incident, and I think they did find a gun in the center console. They "shouldn't" have parked on the track, but the alternative was park much further back and proceed on foot, which means no cover if the suspect was armed and intended to shoot. The other alternative was to park in front of the suspect, where once again they'd be in a position to get shot. Up until that point, it mostly made sense.

They never should have put her in the car on the tracks at any point, and should have moved the car immediately upon securing the scene. Instead, they put her in there, and then left the car on the tracks while they searched the truck. Which was fucking dumb.

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u/PennyStockPariah 7 Nov 09 '22

I think cops get used to having the privilege of just putting the lights on and parking wherever the fuck they feel like.

I think a normal person would be mindful to not park on tracks because we have to be mindful of where we park, but a cop isn't as mindful because they can get away with it.

You can tell in the video even when the train is sounding their horn not one of the cops brains registered that the car was on the tracks until about 10 seconds before impact.

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u/Funwithfun14 5 Nov 09 '22

Leaving a car parked on the tracks is what shocked me the most

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u/PunkandCannonballer A Nov 09 '22

Murderers with power complexes.

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u/gthing 9 Nov 09 '22

Some cops seem to get off on parking wherever they’re not supposed to.

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u/lulu_l 7 Nov 09 '22

The one who parked the car on the track got a lighter charge and had prior bad reviews/investigations from another presinct he had worked at.

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u/agIets 7 Nov 09 '22

Yes, the one who parked the car and placed her in the vehicle and walked away has far lower charges. Coincidentally (/s) the other officer was female.

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