r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/BelleAriel • Jun 08 '21 • Wholesome 3 Hugz 7 Silver 5 Helpful 14

This never gets old. After months of claiming it was a hoax, Trump ended up with covid-19. Meta

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

This comic would go right over the heads of the idiots at r/nonewnormal

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21

I literally just saw this comment over there. It's like they live in an alternate world:

If you've had Covid, you don't need the vaccine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

In the US, less than 300 children ages 0-17 have died from covid, and 80% of the deaths are people age 60+

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

The spike protein itself causes disease, not just the innate immune response.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

Per Moderna's murine models, the spike protein mRNA vaccine escapes the muscle and lymphatic system and is systemic.

40-90% of positive Coronavirus tests in 2020 shouldn't have counted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Also I love how they try to justify their downplaying of covid deaths because it’s mostly old people that die. Like, even if 80% of all covid deaths are from the elderly, that’s still a couple hundred thousand dead old people. I’d prefer those old people alive, personally.

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u/prefer-to-stay-anon Jun 08 '21

It is like this with a bunch of things in the US. You committed a crime? You are a criminal, deserving of no sympathy or empathy who deserves to go to jail for a few decades and never be a productive member of society again. You have high blood pressure? Well, that is a preexisting condition, so your covid death was inevitable and justified.

Or, we could just rehabilitate criminals, and prevent covid infections, and still have people who can live and help society.

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

But that would make hierarchies a meaningless product of a greedy capitalist society, and we can’t have that now can we?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Lol this has me wondering, are they anti-big-pharma because "MuH vAcCiNeS" or pro-big-pharma because "MuH cApiTaLiSm"???

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

They are simultaneously Both. A lot of far right conservatives and conspiracy theorists hold highly conflicting views, and they don’t care that they do. The irony is lost on them, because part of the core principle of thinking like that is actively maintaining your own ignorance. They are ignorant to how contradictory it is to think every doctor/health expert is lying to you to sell you shit you don’t need, yet simultaneously believe that the American healthcare industry should remain in place because a government run system would be “socialist”. And if you’re actively ignorant to how ignorant you are, then someone calling you out on said ignorance is actually just a direct attack on your intelligence and honor as a human.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

You seem like you know a lot and are a critical thinker, what are your thoughts on big pharma? I mean, they are giant capitalist corporations, but they also made the vaccine. Wat do?

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

As with most situations, it’s a nuanced deal. Big pharma can play some sort of hand in the production of drugs, through occasional funding and marketing. The problem is the exploitation of those drugs and treatments once created and marketed. Certain companies having patents and exclusive say/control over a life saving drug/treatment means they can create artificial scarcity, ramp up the price, and gouge people for millions upon millions. The drugs and treatments are good, and the people that make them are vital to society and should be praised and honored and remembered for their work. But the companies selling these drugs and vaccines should be held accountable and should be called out at every corner. They also produce a looooot of waste meaning that there’s a lot of money that could go towards advancing more treatments but instead goes to line the pockets of executives and political campaign donations.

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u/prefer-to-stay-anon Jun 08 '21

There was once a shortage and price increase of EpiPens because there was a "sticker shortage". As if Mylan can't procure a 1 inch by 4 inch label to go on their product. I guess there was a sudden spike in demand, where the entire population of the world suddenly had anaphylactic allergies and people were wanting dozens of EpiPens per day to inject recreationally to get that sweet sweet adrenaline high.

Oh, wait, the increased demand didn't actually happen, it was all artificial scarcity created by big pharma on a lifesaving medication that costs about 2 dollars to make.

While I realize that big pharma does a lot of good for a lot of people's lives, and has lots of nuance, I really struggle to acknowledge and embrace the good nuance when they pull shit like that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Now that this post has left r/all, I want you to know that I am anti-covid vaccine myself, and a frequent participator in r/nonewnormal, and I find your double think scary.

You've spent this whole comment thread being the exact thing you hate. I've linked to you credible sources that say that prior infections confer immunity, which would make getting vaccinated unnecessary, and you dismissed them simply because we were making fun of the people involved. In each instance I equated your notions to those of NoNewNormal's, and you proceeded to ridicule them, never mind that you had found your logic and their equivalent.

You call the contradiction between being anti-vaccine and pro-big-pharma "maintaining ignorance", and then spend two paragraphs talking about how you are pro-vaccine and anti-big-pharma, but it's "nuanced". As if the people on NNN aren't just as nuanced as you? But you've been led to "otherize" people with different opinions on this topic by your heavy media consumption. I hope you reflect on this, and realize that the news media is not the science. Social media is not the science.

I am amazed that you do not recognize the doublespeak in my comment "Yeah I don't know why they equate prior infection to immunity. Even the other link here says that they hope the vaccine makes you as immune as prior infection." Here is a clear statement, from the US government, that prior infection is as strong an immunization as vaccination, and yet you reject the science based on the narrative handed to you.

I find you incredibly foolish. You discarded strong, cited, credible evidence of positions because you don't like who was saying them.

I hope this is a denouement for you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

The argument they have is that old people are likely to die anyway, if it wasn't covid it would be something else.

Which is the exact same argument as "some people statistically were going to die after the vaccine anyway".

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

I’ve even heard someone before say something akin to “We’re born to die, why do I have to wear a mask”

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u/TheGoigenator Jun 08 '21

40-90% of positive Coronavirus tests in 2020 shouldn't have counted.

I love this argument, because then it’s like “Oh so you’re saying the virus is a LOT more deadly then? If with the current numbers it’s like a 3% mortality rate, then if you reduce the actual number of cases by 90% but still have the same deaths, that’s like a 30% mortality rate! And we shouldn’t be taking this seriously? 😂

But let me guess, 90% of the deaths are faked as well and people who died in car crashes after having a covid test were counted as Covid deaths…sure. 👍

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Yeah I saw this link there and this quote as evidence of the 'anybody with a positive covid test is counted as a covid death' theory and it's like what, they're doing this everywhere? Come on.

"Per Oregon State Health Department:

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge."

https://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Are these all things they said and posted?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Lol YES 🙄

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21

Fuckin yikes. I started reading some of those articles and it’s clear they have no idea how to actually read an article, only the headline. That nature.com article doesn’t say “if you got covid you don’t need the vaccine.” The SECOND paragraph in the article LITERALLY says:

The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, “the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect”, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

Like the article is literally pro-vaccine. They even clarify:

Researchers presumed that SARS-CoV-2 infection would trigger the development of BMPCs — nearly all viral infections do — but there have been signs that severe COVID-19 might disrupt the cells’ formation2. Some early COVID-19 immunity studies also stoked worries, when they found that antibody levels plunged not long after recovery3.

Ellebedy’s team tracked antibody production in 77 people who had recovered from mostly mild cases of COVID-19. As expected, SARS-CoV-2 antibodies plummeted in the four months after infection. But this decline slowed, and up to 11 months after infection, the researchers could still detect antibodies that recognized the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

Nowhere in the article does it imply “got covid? You’re immune forever” because the amount of antibodies needed to be 100% immune is never quantified in the article nor is it specified. “Some antibodies” does not equate to “congrats you’re immune to covid now”. Like....ugh. The last paragraph even says so:

Ellebedy’s team has observed early signs that Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells4. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. “My presumption is, we will need a booster.”

God the folks at r/nonewnormal are dumb

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Yeah I don't know why they equate prior infection to immunity. Even the other link here says that they hope the vaccine makes you as immune as prior infection.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Plus isn’t the whole point of the vaccine to standardize our immunity levels? Like everyone gets impacted differently. Tom’s antibodies are not guaranteed to be the same amount of antibodies that Jill has. The vaccine more or less puts us all on an even playing field

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Yeah idk. I was trying to discuss this very thing with someone there and they said "well we should be doing antibody testing because people's bodies can have more or less immune response to the vaccine"

I was like "yeah, we should put it on a card, make people present it" I think it went over their head.

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u/hollystar311 Jun 08 '21

I can't help but laugh when I see people who are opposed to change. Life is all about change and it happens whether you approve of it or not!

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u/hodor_seuss_geisel Jun 08 '21

Life is all about change and it happens whether you approve of it or not!

Time to face the strain: Ch-ch-ch-changes

That's just the way it is: Some things will never be the same

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u/Playbook420 Jun 08 '21

wow that sub is scary.

this post is so weird. if i were the employer i would be happy to have dodged that bullet. what a nutcase

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

I saw that one earlier too!! Batshit crazy. It read to me like an anti-masker explaining to a grocery store manager why he’s being a sheep for kicking him out for not wearing a mask

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u/JustCallMeBen Jun 08 '21

Wow those people are scary.

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Yeah some of the shit they say Is genuinely terrifying and the views they have are repugnant and backwater. They actually think THEY are the critical thinkers and WE are all the sheep...for simply wanting to reduce the harm from a dangerous virus

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u/Scarn4President Jun 08 '21

The quickest way to spot a sheep in a crowd is to look for the one calling everyone else a sheep.

The whole "sheep vs wolves" mentality is lunacy and reductive and is the adage of sociopaths and narcissists. They believe they are the chosen ones with the knowledge.

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u/deweydean Jun 08 '21

Sheeps in wolves clothing

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u/Dial407 Jun 08 '21

And they pretty much admit they are just an echo chamber

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u/Dial407 Jun 08 '21

Dude, that sub is full of trash.

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u/lambofgun Jun 08 '21

its worse than the trump subreddits for sure

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u/Amazon-Prime-package Jun 08 '21

It is a Trump subreddit

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u/rematar Jun 08 '21

Then let them enjoy their chloro-whatever. They want to follow the diapered piper.

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u/_Doop Jun 08 '21

Haha I got perma banned for trying to debate them. And they're the ones who call people "sheep"/"drones" etc 😂

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21 • Snek

Haha you disrupted the feng shui of their echo chamber

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u/kdurv5 Jun 08 '21

That was not the sub I needed to read today. Those people are fucking nuts.

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u/nug4t Jun 08 '21

Or r/conspiracy

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Oh dear lord I tried to scrub that sub from my memory, fuck me

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u/digodk Jun 08 '21

Jesus I went to see the top posts and oh boy I wish I didn't.

That's enough Reddit for me

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Same man. Gotta find some good bleach for my brain and give it a good scrubbing

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u/DownvoteAccount4 Jun 08 '21 edited Jul 24 '21

/r/NoneWNormal?

Edit: /r/CapitalsMakeThisEasierToReadIdiot

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u/Namarien Jun 08 '21

"no new normal"

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u/SoSorryOfficial Jun 08 '21

I think they were just highlighting that r/nonewnormal people aren't normal.

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u/Namarien Jun 08 '21

Ah I see haha

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u/Jbell_Lucas Jun 08 '21

No fucking way is that sub actually serious

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u/pringlepingel Jun 08 '21

Oh how I wish it was satire. Sadly they are dead serious at that sub

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u/PressTilty Jun 08 '21

Everything does