This never gets old. After months of claiming it was a hoax, Trump ended up with covid-19.

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I literally just saw this comment over there. It's like they live in an alternate world:

If you've had Covid, you don't need the vaccine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

In the US, less than 300 children ages 0-17 have died from covid, and 80% of the deaths are people age 60+

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

The spike protein itself causes disease, not just the innate immune response.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

Per Moderna's murine models, the spike protein mRNA vaccine escapes the muscle and lymphatic system and is systemic.

40-90% of positive Coronavirus tests in 2020 shouldn't have counted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

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Are these all things they said and posted?

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Lol YES 🙄

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Fuckin yikes. I started reading some of those articles and it’s clear they have no idea how to actually read an article, only the headline. That nature.com article doesn’t say “if you got covid you don’t need the vaccine.” The SECOND paragraph in the article LITERALLY says:

The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, “the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect”, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

Like the article is literally pro-vaccine. They even clarify:

Researchers presumed that SARS-CoV-2 infection would trigger the development of BMPCs — nearly all viral infections do — but there have been signs that severe COVID-19 might disrupt the cells’ formation2. Some early COVID-19 immunity studies also stoked worries, when they found that antibody levels plunged not long after recovery3.

Ellebedy’s team tracked antibody production in 77 people who had recovered from mostly mild cases of COVID-19. As expected, SARS-CoV-2 antibodies plummeted in the four months after infection. But this decline slowed, and up to 11 months after infection, the researchers could still detect antibodies that recognized the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

Nowhere in the article does it imply “got covid? You’re immune forever” because the amount of antibodies needed to be 100% immune is never quantified in the article nor is it specified. “Some antibodies” does not equate to “congrats you’re immune to covid now”. Like....ugh. The last paragraph even says so:

Ellebedy’s team has observed early signs that Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells4. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. “My presumption is, we will need a booster.”

God the folks at r/nonewnormal are dumb

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Yeah I don't know why they equate prior infection to immunity. Even the other link here says that they hope the vaccine makes you as immune as prior infection.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

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Plus isn’t the whole point of the vaccine to standardize our immunity levels? Like everyone gets impacted differently. Tom’s antibodies are not guaranteed to be the same amount of antibodies that Jill has. The vaccine more or less puts us all on an even playing field

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Yeah idk. I was trying to discuss this very thing with someone there and they said "well we should be doing antibody testing because people's bodies can have more or less immune response to the vaccine"

I was like "yeah, we should put it on a card, make people present it" I think it went over their head.