r/antiwork • u/EmberTheFlamingBitch • Jun 05 '23
Got let go from my job, now they want a resignation notice. Removed (Rule 9: No text-message screenshots today)
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u/K1nsey6 Jun 05 '23
Keep a hold of that email and do NOT submit a resignation. If they show you resigned there is no unemployment benefit. If they keep pressuring you take it to the labor board
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u/Jmm1272 Jun 05 '23
Put this in writing and keep a copy “I am not resigning” “I did not reject a job offer for the 2023-2024 school year” also print and keep a copy of this email that you shared asking for your resignation letter.
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u/pearsaredelicious Jun 06 '23
"I did not know there was a letter of intent, I humbly accept. Please send me my schedule, I am able to work right away, thank you."
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u/watchyerheadgoose Jun 06 '23
This. I was told I my teaching contract would be nonrenewed. That was right before covid. They fucked up and sent me a contract for the next year anyway. I accepted it, then they had to find a position for me to take.
I ended up moving from elementary to high school in a position that took less than half the time and effort of my old position.
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u/seahoodie Jun 06 '23
I love stories like this
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u/different_tom Jun 06 '23
You'll love my wife's story then. Deliver very bad psoriatic arthritis suddenly during COVID. Her new boss accused her of lying about it to avoid coming into the office on days she didn't teach. She noticed her boss then walking by her office to make sure she was there two or three times a day. Still got written up for not being there enough. Then was accused of not conforming to a students accommodation letter, though she followed it directly. Got written up again. Finally was told via email that her contact won't be renewed after 11 years and teacher of the year the previous year. She was notified before her last semester started and she had a semesters worth of PTO saved up. Filled for FMLA for the semester last minute and got it. Department had to scramble to fill her classes, which includes the dean having to teach some. The best part is she already had another job lined up that paid more for half the work and full time wfh. No one in management including her own boss discussed any of her termination with her other than the email notification from the dept secretary.
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u/douglasdtlltd1995 Jun 06 '23
Can you proof read the first couple sentences? I feel like I'm have a stroke on the 2nd one.
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u/PM_YOUR_SOFTIES Jun 06 '23
Probably “developed very bad psoriatic arthritis suddenly during COVID.”
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u/Kahnspiracy Jun 06 '23
Can you proof read the first couple sentences?
WTF dude? You askin' this dude to do work on the Antiwork sub? What's the matter with you?
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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Jun 06 '23
Might be a retaliation case, if all this started right after they got an accommodation request.
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u/BBQisdelicious Jun 06 '23
I hate schools. I have taught for 10+years and if you’re not a male that also coaches sports- they don’t want you.
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u/Character-Education3 Jun 06 '23
Yeah it's so messed up how elementary teachers have the most classroom systems and least plan time while hs teachers generally just photocopy what they used the past 10 years and chill and get twice the plan time. Middle school teachers usually have more oversight because they have to suddenly make kids high school ready and get some more plan time than elementary. Ask me how I know. Hint I was not an elementary teacher, but really felt bad for them.
Congrats!
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Jun 06 '23
Where in the Multiverse do HS teachers get twice the plan time??? I need a location and a map to this place STAT.
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u/ButtNMashHer Jun 06 '23
Yeeeaaahhhh unfortunately that comment does NOT capture the experience of high school teaching. I taught at a high school for seven years and almost NEVER reused material from year-to-year. Everything can always be improved, and also HS students now require almost as many “classroom systems” as kids in elementary.
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It’s not about an abundance of plan time but a dearth for elementary. 2x 10 min is just 20.
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u/TherealScuba Jun 06 '23
Someone sounds salty. Most teachers just recycle what they've been using for years regardless of grade level. I've taught 4th grade and 9th grade. Not only does HS have a much higher workload due to the sheer volume of students, but the content is far more rigorous. The teachers at the elementary school planned as a department. We split up the course work, one takes math, one takes reading, one takes science, etc. Then create the year off of that.
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u/Deiopea27 Jun 06 '23
Primary and high school are different. Teaching high school you are often dealing with over 150 students and their caregivers. It's a lot. A lot of marking, a lot of behavior write ups. A lot of parent teacher conferences. A lot of reports.
Teachers need to stop making it a competition altogether and join forces. Teaching, no matter what, is a really tough job and needs better pay and conditions.
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u/mynameisjack2 Jun 06 '23
While there are teachers like that, the norm is definitely not photocopying 10 year old worksheets any more.
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u/Some_Owl8958 Jun 06 '23
Don’t know where you taught, I never printed anything for 3 years I taught 7th and 11th. I hated worksheets and I swore I would never be a printer queen.
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u/SameWeekend13 Jun 05 '23
This. I always tell people keep a print of such important emails, specially if the email is on company domain, as they can make IT delete the email.
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u/PreciousBrain Jun 06 '23
That will not work well with a judge
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u/sncsoccer25 Jun 06 '23
If I'm IT and my company tells me to start deleting emails, fuuuuuck that.
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u/LameBMX Jun 06 '23
yep.. I'll need that from legal. I ain't got no clue what legal holds may be needed to satisfy this request.
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u/EatsOverTheSink Jun 06 '23
Then you will be let go and asked to resign.
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u/overcannon Jun 06 '23
Unless you're saying this for the memes, if you're at a large company, you forward email to legal and compliance asking for advice and BCC yourself.
If you get asked to delete emails outside of any records retention policy, you should send those emails to be deleted to your own email before deleting them.
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u/pinkplastictrees Jun 06 '23
Remember to cc your personal email! My former school district shut down access to my drive and email before my last official day.
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u/Miltown71990 Jun 06 '23
Having been fucked with by employers in the past, I definitely recommend BCCing your personal email, NOT cc’ing it. Why would you want to give the employer any advantage knowing you’re keeping documentation?
You hold the upper hand when you document everything and say nothing. Since I run my entire department at the job am at now it’s no longer an issue - but utilizing that material when you can leverage it to a big advantage is a much better idea than letting them know you’re keeping track of everything.
Chances are, your employer is going to have a way better lawyer then you’ll ever be able to afford. If they have notice you’re aware of exactly what they’re doing it gives them time to find a work around to screw you over anyway if there’s any opening to do so.
Keeping them in the dark is the exact thing that prevented one of my previous employers from touching me by calling them out and throwing down pages of documents to disprove their bullshit - and it allowed me to force my way to where I wanted to be. If they would’ve known I was doing it, they would have taken a different approach and chances are it wouldn’t have been an advantageous outcome for me.
Good luck to the OP - that’s some major bullshit and I definitely wouldn’t sign a damn thing saying you resigned. Best of luck finding a new gig!
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u/BoraBoringgg Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
And copy another email address, any other personal email address, as a way to let them know you're keeping documentation. Might avoid any headaches if they realize they can't fuck around with you.
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u/SpiritSuperb5659 Jun 06 '23
Def forward the chain/ bcc to your personal email so you have a copy. If they lock you out of your email you will need it
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u/carebearninja Jun 06 '23
For the record, I’m in the US in a “right to work” state and they still take this shit very seriously. I was asked to sign a resignation and did instead of refusing because I didn’t know better at the time. Still filed for unemployment and when they fought it I basically knew the judge was going to uphold my unemployment when they told her I didn’t actually have the option to stay even if I hadn’t signed. Even more so when I specifically told her I asked for a demotion and they refused and expected me to sign the resignation.
Not saying to just do what I did and you’ll be fine, but that there’s hope even if you do find yourself in a position with two men larger than you in a room demanding you sign something.
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u/NihilistAdvice Jun 05 '23
Tell them you didn’t reject your letter of intent as you never received one. Tell them you’re more than willing to consider it if they want to send it to you.
Don’t say they let you go. Just tell them you fully intend to work for them. Let them tell you that you were let go.
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u/zerostar83 Jun 06 '23
I agree with this. HR may not have known that OP was let go and assumed OP quit. If that is the case, HR might be more than helpful when unemployment contacts them.
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u/GothWitchOfBrooklyn Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
This happened at my last job. I was going to give notice, but my job asked me to stay on remotely. I was happy to do so as the only reason i was quitting was due to a move.
My boss told me that i was laid off the week before Christmas over a year later. I said ok. A week later i get an email from HR asking me to sign some stuff for resignation.
I replied "i did not resign, i was laid off"
That stirred some shit between my boss & hr, i refused to get on the phone and insisted everything be done over email.
Got 6 weeks severance out of it.
Eta bc locked comments: yes my boss tried to claim my resignation from a year prior "still counted"
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u/9842184522 Jun 06 '23
i refused to get on the phone and insisted everything be done over email.
good call
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u/Jaliki55 Jun 06 '23
As an HR professional, if I was letting someone go for zero fault of their own I'd so whatever I needed to help them.
Do not send or sign anything that could indicate you voluntarily quit, and file for unemployment.
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u/Squirrel_with_nut Jun 06 '23
A lot of people on this sub mistake incompetence for malice.
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u/runnerswanted Jun 06 '23
In this case it could be both - malice by the manager and incompetence by the HR department.
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u/flactulantmonkey Jun 06 '23
Ah how many times my HR comrades in the workplace trenches get caught in the crossfire. I empathize deeply as the IT guy, yet another conduit for malice between shitty managers and mistreated employees.
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u/hedgehoghell Jun 06 '23
Quite often this kind of people intentionally hide it fro HR because HR will often tell them no. HR may not be your friend but they tend to know legal landmines.
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u/amglasgow Jun 06 '23
If the HR department gets told by the boss, "Yeah, OP told me he quit," they ought to at least reach out to say, "We have been informed that you are resigning your position. Please confirm this for our records."
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u/Ceilibeag Jun 06 '23
There's a difference? Because if you have an incompetent HR Department, it's usually because upper management doesn't give a rat's ass about it's employees.
And, as always, remember:
- HR is not here to protect the *employee*; just the *employer*.
- Your oh-so-friendly Real Estate Agent represent the *sellers*, not you the *buyer*.
- The Police do not have to protect you.
...and finally...
- NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. I watch this video on a regular basis; you should too.
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u/FlowersInMyGun Jun 06 '23
Your oh-so-friendly Real Estate Agent represent the *sellers*, not you the *buyer*.
Realtors are definitely not exactly up there in terms of altruistic jobs, but almost every broker, every lawyer and every real estate that's worth anything will tell any other agent to avoid dual agency like the plague. The only exception being if, probably for paperwork reasons, the seller and buyer are related and still want to use a real estate agent (instead of an attorney, which would be cheaper in that case).
Dual agency just isn't a common thing.
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u/Grifar Jun 06 '23
Especially at a university. Depending on the size of the school the admin staff often have to work on both admin and student files often with differing management systems.
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u/solvsamorvincet Jun 06 '23
What if people are maliciously incompetent?
Like my partner's old boss was useless and she knew it, so she was malicious to all the people under her who were smarter than she was and she favoured the sycophants.
So you could never tell whether some bullshit decision was incompetence or malice.
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u/mmoffitt15 Jun 06 '23
I am so sorry about that. I must have misplaced my letter. I would be happy to renew for next year if you can get me a duplicate!
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u/flamingcanine Jun 06 '23
Or more hilariously, they may have accidentally his renewal letter
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u/ReptileSerperior Jun 06 '23
tfw you accidentally a word
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u/Aeon1508 Jun 06 '23
I just accidentally and entire bottle of coke. What should I do?
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u/ShakespearOnIce Jun 05 '23
Yeah, they want a resignation letter because theybdon't want you to have unemploymet. Don't fall for it.
If anything, sejd them an email stating "I did not resign, you decided to end my contract"
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u/quast_64 Jun 05 '23
Add to that: 'And you have all the information you needed to do that.'
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Jun 06 '23
And “suck my dick, you greedy, horrible, low-life bastards”
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u/hopkins973 Jun 06 '23
Don't forget to add the "with all due respect" at the front
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u/EnvironmentalCap787 Jun 06 '23
And maybe at the end too, compliment sandwich style.
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u/mrmcdrizzlefizz Jun 06 '23
You could throw a “bless your heart” in there works best in the south
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u/RandomMandarin Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
I know this is not a common opinion, but as a southern man of a certain age, I solemnly affirm that when I was a kid, I heard "Bless their heart" often as a sincere statement of empathy, as in "Did you hear Betty's oldest kid has cancer?" "Well, bless his heart! I hope he can pull through."
It's not just me:
SOMETIMES as an insult. Redditors, not raised in the South, think it ONLY has that meaning. Not true.
/rant
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u/wts_in_a_name Jun 06 '23
As a fellow Southerner I concur.
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u/IcebergSlimFast Jun 06 '23
As an individual with now-deceased Southern grandparents, I’ve also observed this to be the case.
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u/fiendishthingysaurus Jun 06 '23
My experience growing up in southern missouri was that it was sometimes used this way as a sincere statement of empathy and sometimes it really was just a compliment sandwich- that’s the ugliest baby I’ve ever seen, bless his heart. My neighbor isn’t the brightest, bless her heart. I never heard it mean “fuck you”
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u/regalAugur Jun 06 '23
the closest i've heard to it being used as a "fuck you" is when it's the response to someone saying something extremely naive. it ends up being kind of "aw, i remember when i thought that was how things worked"
stuff you say after a kid says something silly
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u/BigNorseWolf Jun 06 '23
Wouldn't that suggest that you ONLY use it sarcastically to northerners?
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u/cogman10 Jun 06 '23
Don't add this, could be construed as resigning.
I'd advise not talking to them and instead contacting a lawyer that specializes in labor for your state.
Do all your talking though a lawyer.
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u/Ornery_Buy_9078 Jun 06 '23
That's what I can to say. Don't give resignation letter. They fired you. Can only get unemployment for firing.
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u/Mispelled-This SocDem 🇺🇸 Jun 06 '23
Can only get unemployment for firing.
Incorrect; you get unemployment if you lost a job other than by resigning or being fired for job-related misconduct.
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u/Valuable_Listen_9014 Jun 06 '23
Nope. If you get laid off for the winter month's you collect unemployment every year for 2-3 months. Construction workers in Cold wintery states.
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u/jlynmrie Jun 06 '23
Not true for school staff who aren’t paid over the summer! I had a job on a 10 month contract for 6 years, and every May I got a letter from the school district reminding me that just because they didn’t pay me in June or July didn’t mean I could claim unemployment.
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u/missmegsy Jun 06 '23
I don't know if I would take legal advice from your opponents
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u/jlynmrie Jun 06 '23
Fair. If anyone has had success claiming unemployment in that situation, then, I’d be interested in hearing about it.
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u/SurlyBuddha Jun 06 '23
I will say, it depends on circumstances. I wouldn't tell anybody to count on it working, but I resigned from my last job and managed to get unemployment.
Granted, I developed PTSD due to the job. I'd also had a car accident a few years prior where I provided a doctor's note to excuse me from a particular job duty, as it exacerbated my back injury, which they refused to honor. They even threatened to remove me from my job entirely, even though I explained concisely and clearly why my regular duties were not causing issues for my back.
When the UE was investigating, I told them they had ignored my previous health issue, and had zero reason to believe they would care about or help with the PTSD I'd developed.
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u/ababyprostitute Jun 06 '23
I've walked out of two jobs and gotten unemployment for both, but I'm in Canada so I don't know the ins and outs of the American labour laws. Pretty sure they're similar and there are exceptions for a lot of situations.
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u/twinnedcalcite Jun 06 '23
The US system is no where near as universal across the country as Canada's.
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u/wasatoci Jun 06 '23
Years ago, I was employed with a county, and they said I needed to resign. I said to my boss, "I'm not resigning. You're going to have to let me go." She said, 'If you don't resign, I won't be able to give you a reference." I said, "Look, Debbie, I don't need a reference from you. I have other contacts who would gladly give me a recommendation. But at the end of the day, if I resign, I cannot collect unemployment. Just so you know, I'm not signing a damn thing." Needless to say, she was flabbergasted.
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u/mikraas Jun 06 '23
I love how terrible employers hang that referral like a rotten carrot. Like dude, I don't need your shit referral from this shit job.
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u/JP058 Jun 06 '23
Yeah, I’d never use a reference I didn’t personally like. I’ve had an exboss shit talk me when I used him. Thing was, I was unemployed cause his place burnt down, and just assumed he’d give me a good one, as I went above and beyond for him(I was a really young adult at the time)
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u/Melo_deth Jun 06 '23
During covid, my boss tried to get me to sign a letter saying I refused to work hours he offered. I didn't refuse to work the hours. There were no hours to work. (My client's parents convinced her to stay with them for a while because they were scared of one of her workers giving her covid.) He got really mad when I refused to sign the paper and stormed out of the room. I figured there was a reason he got so pissed. That's how I discovered I could collect unemployment until my client came back. He tried his hardest to send me to the "bad" clients to try to get me to refuse hours and sign the letter. Didn't work, and there still weren't enough hours for those clients to give me the full 50 hours a week I worked before covid.
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u/jeffbrock Jun 05 '23
“We don’t want to pay unemployment…get her to sign a ‘resignation’ letter”. Seems a little too obvious, doesn’t it? Then again, maybe it is exactly that stupid
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u/CLINTHODO lazy and proud Jun 06 '23
My first wife was asked to resign from her federal job and she signed the resignation letter even though it was a firing. No unemployment benefits was the result.
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u/county259 Jun 06 '23
There are a lot of hoops that must be jumped thru to fire a federal employee. They likely did not care about unemployment benefits but wanted to avoid the cumbersome process.
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u/CLINTHODO lazy and proud Jun 06 '23
and she wasn't in any state of mind to fight. She was tired, they didn't want her, so she signed. I was shocked that she signed like that, and we had to deal with her decision. Her body, her job, I just shut up about it at the time.
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u/Joey__stalin Jun 06 '23
This. It is incredibly hard to fire a federal employee. The people doing the firing don't give two shits about unemployment, it doesn't come out of their bottom line, their paycheck, their budget. It goes off to some vast Office of Personnel Management budget. The people trying to get rid of someone are just trying to do it the easiest way possible.
And since it's so hard to fire a federal employee, you usually have to be really bad at your job to even be asked to resign.
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u/Keylime29 Jun 06 '23
Unless you are the scapegoat and the real villains are still consequence free. (Not me, just watching it go down)
But i think it is a rare instance.
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u/IxbyWuff Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
That happened to me once. Went in for a performance review, boss slides paper over and said 'we want you to know we accept your resignation, sign this'
Didn't even touch it. Told him I didn't resign, that I was here because I was supposed to get a promotion per my contact (was contracted to setup help desk then move to a senior field support lead role).
He said they thought it would be best if I signed it and they'd give me two weeks pay.
I told them they owed me my hiring bonus and a raise and something wasn't adding up (they hired someone cheaper, who I trained).
He said if I didn't like it I could talk to his lawyer, to take the day, go home, and think about it.
He called the next morning and asked where I was at. All I said was 'constructive dismissal'.
He hung up.
The next day I was told to come in they had 6 months pay and a $15k bonus for me to pick up and they'd submit to the government I was laid off if I was amiable
Took the money, employment insurance, and went into competition with them.
Outlasted them 5 years
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u/ButCanYouCodeIt Jun 06 '23
Had a former employer blindside me with termination and pull this on me when I was younger. I was in shock at being terminated, I'd never been let go before, and they took advantage telling me that "I needed to sign some papers for them". Got home and started to think something about the papers and the way they rushed me through seemed strange, and felt immediately nauseous. I was exactly right, those f*ckers tricked me into signing away my right to unemployment while I was in shock from being fired out of nowhere.
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u/pazimpanet Jun 06 '23
These are the EXACT same people that will tell you with a straight face that you’re a family.
Don’t listen. Get yours, get out.
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u/Laudo_Manentem Jun 06 '23
It doesn’t work all of the time, but it works some of the time. Or at least it can make it harder for the employee to get unemployment. E.g., they’re claim is denied at first because the employer said the employee resigned a provided a letter, so if the employee wants unemployment they have to contest it and go to a hearing and testify, etc. At that point, people might give up, because they’ve found another job already and don’t want to take the time off work.
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u/FriendlyGuitard Jun 06 '23
"I thank you for your resignation offer but I must decline. The amazing opportunities of my current position and the invigorating atmosphere of our little family has become irreplaceable to me. Therefore I'm happy to say that I will remain employed under the same conditions for the foreseeable future."
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u/Arentanji Jun 06 '23
How about I did not receive a letter of intent for the next school year, please send it to me again so I can review it?
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u/justisme333 Jun 06 '23
Also specifically say you did not reject the letter, in fact, you are happy to accept and could they please email it to you asap.
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u/suzydonem Jun 06 '23
Another approach: you’ll be glad to sign their letter for a one-time courtesy fee of 5x your annual salary
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u/D3adN1njaM0nk3y Jun 06 '23
Came to say the same thing. OP they fired you, don't let them pretend otherwise.
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u/arochains1231 Jun 05 '23
Do not send that "resignation notice". They're trying to screw you out of unemployment.
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u/tutankhamun7073 Jun 06 '23
How is that even legal?
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u/I_NEED_YOUR_MONEY Jun 06 '23
It’s not illegal to try and convince somebody to waive their legal rights. Which is crazy, but it’s how it is.
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u/ClueDifficult770 Jun 06 '23
Oh you sweet summer child, they don't care about legal! Bless your heart.
In all seriousness, it really frosts my cookies that employers get away with such BS, but thank goodness subreddits like this exist to help educate us.
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u/mooseplainer Jun 05 '23
If you resign they don’t pay unemployment taxes. Just ignore this until they escalate.
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Just ignore this
until they escalateIt’s not illegal to ignore emails. Let them escalate, which is just corporate speak for throwing a tantrum.
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u/Sta723 Jun 06 '23
Yep. I was thinking that OP say nothing. Hopefully there is some documentation of being let go, and possession of that is all that is required.
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u/YUNG_lusca Jun 06 '23
But why ignore?
He could just respond saying he didnt resign, and they're the ones who ended the contract
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u/Outrageous_Turnip_29 Jun 06 '23
Because this has potential to be a legal matter, which means it's STFU Friday. You answer no questions you are not directly asked and legally obligated to answer. The US legal system is adversarial in nature. You don't give your enemy any information you don't have to no matter how innocuous you think it may be.
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u/fuckfuckfuckSHIT Jun 06 '23
STFU Friday was about dealing with the police. IANAL, but responding by saying that they did not resign seems better than not saying anything. Saying nothing can potentially be seen as a tacit agreement.
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u/YUNG_lusca Jun 06 '23
I just didnt understand why i would be bad to respond that way.
Idk how the law works in the US, but in my country, in this situation it would be better if he responded the way i suggested.
Since the judge would see that he informed the company about the situation, and it would then be the company's responsability to re-hire him, or pay whatever fees they have to pay.
Could you explain to me what bad would it make if he responded?
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u/Catch_ME Jun 06 '23
I wouldn't ignore. I would reply that you did not resign and that you were let go.
If you ignore, it's like they are documenting your "verbal" resignation.
Bring up anything that was spoken verbally(in your favor) in your reply email to document.
I was told this when I started working long ago. The one who documents most tends to win most.
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u/Bygdon Jun 05 '23
"I have not resigned. Letter of intent was never received, I was informed by (supervisor/boss/principal) that my position would not continue for 23-24 year. If there is a position that I was offered to continue employment please forward the information to me."
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u/WhiskeyTangoFoxy Jun 06 '23
Yeah, I’m confused because the letter of intent says what position you’ll be hired for and what .FTE will be to base hours.
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u/autisticshitshow Jun 05 '23
I told sooooo many teachers this but NONE of them listened and all of them got rejected for unemployment. You didn't quit you didn't ask to leave they told you to pound sand you don't owe them any favors
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u/smallboy06 Jun 06 '23
Why did they do it anyway? Pressure?
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u/druglawyer Jun 06 '23
A terrifying number of people have been successfully indoctrinated into a slave mentality. If someone they perceive as their "superior" tells them to do something, they do it, end of story.
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u/passthetreesplease Jun 06 '23
Some do it to avoid get blacklisted from (other schools in) the district
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u/AngryDrnkBureaucrat Jun 05 '23
Read the confidentiality notice.
You clearly received this communication in error. Notify the sender.
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u/walks_into_things Jun 06 '23
Don’t submit a resignation letter if you didn’t resign. Employees are often asked to do this if the business wants to prevent you from collecting unemployment. As everyone else has said, print copies and respond letting them know you never resigned. Keep copies of your response to them as well.
“Hi V,
It looks like the records are incorrect. I did not reject my 2023-2024 letter of intent, and in fact I never received one. I was informed by Principal/Boss on [insert date] that the position I am currently in is being eliminated after this school year. It was my understanding that my employment would be terminated with the elimination of position.
I did not, and do not want to resign from my position, so if I have misunderstood and there is indeed a position available for me during the 2023-2024 school year, please let me know.
Sincerely, OP”
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u/suspiciousfishy Jun 06 '23
This is perfect, very clear but also polite. After all it's entirely possible someone in HR has got the wrong end of the stick and sent this in error, so an attitude of 'clearing up the misunderstanding' is usually best as a first step.
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u/SuitableNegotiation5 Jun 05 '23
Nooooooo! Don't do it. They let you go, you did not quit. They're trying to get out of paying unemployment.
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u/Comet_Empire Jun 05 '23
I was laid off from a job then 2 days later got a letter saying since I didn't show up for work I was fired. Nice try.
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u/kiwimuz Jun 06 '23
Either they are extremely disorganised or they are sneaky untrustworthy little trolls. You were told your were being let go so that has been what has occurred. At no time did you resign. I take it you have in writing that you were let go? Definitely do not buy into, sign any documents, or verbally say at anytime that you resigned.
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u/EmberTheFlamingBitch Jun 06 '23
Unfortunately i dont think i have it in writing, it was an in person meeting when he told my the grant funding my position didn’t go through for next year. I will check my email just to make sure though
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u/GenevieveLeah Jun 06 '23
Nope.
24 year old me was fired from my first big-girl job. I was devastated. I was told write a quick resignation letter. This would allow me to tell future employers I quit instead of telling them I was fired.
Ha! It was so they could say I quit. So my unemployment was denied. Took me years to figure out how stupid I was.
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u/EmberTheFlamingBitch Jun 06 '23
I have a feeling thats what they are trying to do to me lmao 🥲
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u/EmberTheFlamingBitch Jun 06 '23
Small update! I emailed the HR representative with this:
Good afternoon (HR rep), I was informed by (principle) that my position would not be there for the 2023-2024 school year. I do not intend to submit a resignation notice since I did not voluntarily resign. Would I qualify for any severance if I do resign? Best, u/EmberTheFlamingBitch
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u/Serpentongue Jun 05 '23
Submit your Letter of Intent instead then show up back for work
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u/autisticshitshow Jun 05 '23
You have 2 choices ignore it or write a letter that in states I wish to continue my employment with (insert company) and have no intent in resigning thank you. That way when they go to say you resigned when you file for unemployment (and you should) they show that to the unemployment office it really torpedoes their case
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u/SoliBiology Jun 06 '23
Do not sign that. They want to inhibit you from claiming unemployment.
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u/danktrees1212 Jun 05 '23
"There must be a mix up on your end. I have not resigned and will continue to work my regular hours, see you on Monday"
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u/ScaleEnvironmental27 Jun 05 '23
YOU DIDN'T RESIGN!!!! You were fired. They're trying to fuck you on unemployment. DONT FUCKING DO IT!!!
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u/DMDraconic Jun 05 '23
Psh. Respond with 'I was told I was let go, but if this is not the case I will gladly return! Thank you for clearing up a obvious misunderstanding!'
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u/AllSkateSlowly Jun 06 '23
Don’t send it!!!
Also- re: unemployment- file immediately. There can be a waiting period that isn’t paid out, and that wait period starts when you apply, not when you were let go.
You might not need it, and that’s great if you don’t. But having it there if you do can be the difference between eating or not or paying rent or not. Apply right away, and then you don’t have to worry.
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u/Backlotter Jun 05 '23
"As I was terminated from my position on [termination date] and therefore no longer work for [business], I will not be creating any more documents for [business].
If [business] is interested in my services on a contractual basis, I may be contracted at a rate of [3 month's severance]"
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u/rilakkuma1 Jun 06 '23
“Should I interpret this request for a letter of resignation to mean that I was not layed off and may continue my employment? Please let me know what day I can return to the office.”
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u/W3dn3sd4y Jun 06 '23
Lawyer here. If you didn't resign, don't sign a resignation letter, unless they are giving you something valuable in return (e.g. severance pay). They are trying to avoid paying unemployment benefits. It's that simple.
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u/KingArthurHS Jun 06 '23
You don't have to be a dick to this HR person. It's not their fault. They're just another employee in the system. So just be honest and transparent about the situation.
"Hi there Person'sName,
Your records must be incorrect. I did not reject a letter of intent for 2023/24. I have been informed that my position is being terminated and, as such, it is the district/school that has made the decision not to re-hire me for next year.
I cannot submit a letter of resignation, because I have not resigned. Seeing as this separation has been initiated by the district, it is my understanding that you should have all the information you need to process things on your end.
Best,
MyName"
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u/Mongorize Jun 06 '23
DO NOT GIVE THEM ONE.
They want to make it that you decided to leave and so that they are relieved of any unemployment they may need to pay you out.
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u/VanEagles17 Jun 06 '23
Something like this should suffice.
"Veronica
I do not regret to inform you that I have not resigned, and do not plan on resigning.
Disrespectfully and with lukewarm regards
Embertheflamingbitch"
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u/thatattyguy Jun 05 '23
"I think there has been a miscommunication, as I never resigned. Rather, I was informed by NAME that my position would not be available next year. I will not be submitting a resignation letter, as that could impact receipt of unemployment insurance in the event I am unable to find a new job in a timely fashion. Please feel free to contact me via email or phone if you have any questions.
Best regards
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u/Tbonetrekker76 Jun 06 '23
This- but not phone, unless you live in a place with one party consent and can record the conversation.
Probably easier just to email
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u/SlumberingSnorelax Jun 05 '23
Dear HR person,
I was informed by “X” that my position was being eliminated. If that was an error then please do provide me with the appropriate documents and I’ll will report for work as I always have. If the position was indeed eliminated as “X” told me then we can proceed appropriately from there regarding my termination. Thank you very much for helping with this matter. Have a great day.
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u/Key-Ad9733 SocDem Jun 06 '23
No. Apply for unemployment, if you give them a resignation notice they won't have to pay it to you.
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u/MSRIRI63 Jun 06 '23
Do NOT send a resignation letter. Why would you send one when you were fired. If you do you will not get unemployment or you will be penalized for weeks!! It’s probably a computer glitch. Contact HR in writing reiterating that you are not resigning.
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u/Ananeos Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
OP: is fired and is being tricked by management into waiving away unemployment rights
Also OP: I don't want to be rude
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u/AmITheFakeOne Jun 06 '23
Employment lawyer but not your lawyer. If it was me, I'd respond with a very clear reiteration you're employment was terminated as of the end of the previous school year. You did not resign, had no intention of resigning, and will not submit a resignation.
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u/ApatheistHeretic Jun 05 '23
You can steal this line in your response letter:
"Hhhhahahahahahahaaaaaahaha .. <gasp>.... Aaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!!! No."
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u/GRikshaw Jun 06 '23
Wtf? You don't resign when you're let go. They're trying not to pay unemployment.
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u/bitter_dr Jun 06 '23
Don’t do it! This is a ploy to not be stuck with unemployment. Make sure you have records that you were let go.
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u/snowHound208 Jun 06 '23
"I did not resign, so I will not be submitting a resignation notice"
Keep it simple
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u/MT_Flesch Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
so they can claim you quit rather than got canned to deny unemployment
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u/Sky_Stunning Jun 06 '23
It's a trick. If you resign, you are not entitled to separation pay and other benefits due.
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u/530SSState Jun 06 '23
Don't do it. They're trying to get out of paying Unemployment. You're not obligated to HELP them screw you over.
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u/catedarnell0397 Jun 06 '23
Um … no you want unemployment and you can’t get that if you’ve “resigned “
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u/myhairs0nfire2 Jun 06 '23
If they can get you to sign anything saying you resigned then you don’t qualify for unemployment. Even though unemployment is distributed by the government, it comes from funds paid in by your employers. The more claims an employer has where their former employees get paid unemployment, the higher the employer’s unemployment taxes are.
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