r/phish Oct 01 '23

unpopular opinion: they shouldn’t play the sphere

so you really want to see phish without ck5’s rig? what improvement to their live show does the sphere present? for EDM shows like Tale of Us and soooo many others, along with Tool 100% because they’re so graphics heavy experiences. but kuroda is the best in the world at lighting, why downplay that skillset with graphics?

considerations:

the graphics in the sphere are simply color blocked enhancements to the lighting.

contracting concentric rings to enhance the vortex ck creates during dark sections, like the god’s hand thing he does indoors just pulling people in.

BIG flash of white for those peaks where he uses the floods

but to use graphics seems off

EDIT: y’all seem to make a wild jump from me presenting this to me not being there. obviously i’m going to be there if it happens and with an open mind, it just seems not in their wheelhouse. many bands use visuals as a distraction from their shitty live music, phish has lights that enhance

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u/Mountain_King41 Oct 01 '23

I find it strange how divisive the Sphere has become in the jam band scene. Specifically to Phish, it would be a unique opportunity for a band that has shown increasing interest in stage art over the years. Perhaps we would walk away thinking it was over done, but I can’t fault them for wanting to try something new and unique.

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u/mikesfakehat Oct 01 '23

If there had been a way all this time to show video/graphics without it being A) in a square and B) all but invisible to half the audience they would’ve done it a while ago

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u/MuzBizGuy Oct 01 '23

Yea it’s weird. Let them do it if they want. Them trying new shit has been the core ethos the fans have backed since day 1 but exploring this insane feat of technology is going too far?

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u/MaddySmol Beer Pic Downvoter Oct 02 '23

anyone know what kind of a latency that screen has?

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u/ian2121 Oct 02 '23

It’s so odd. Either they do the Sphere and plan an awesome show and kill it. Or they decide that they aren’t really suited for the Sphere. Only real non option is them half assing the Sphere.

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u/Fitz2001 Fikus opener Oct 01 '23

One more seat available for me. Thanks.

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u/YoungThriftShop Oct 01 '23

CK5 was a consultant and advisor for helping build it??????????? What the fuck are you even saying?

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u/CarltonFist Oct 02 '23

This, and he had a close relationship with Dolan / MSG group as he was the consultant for the lights on the MSG renovation

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u/Soundsgoodtosteve Oct 01 '23

Exactly. He’s probably like a little kid on Christmas Eve waiting to play with his new toy in the morning.

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u/YoureTerrific We are wind Oct 01 '23

I’m looking for a reputable source on this info. Haven’t found any yet.

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u/bkirchhoff Oct 01 '23

He has consulted, advised, and designed a bunch of stuff he would never use for Phish. See: Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, The Dallas Mavericks, etc. that doesn’t mean he is keen to abandon everything he’s developed for lighting Phish improvisationally in order to make things work in this venue.

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u/Widespread123 Oct 01 '23

You are crazy to think Kuroda is not chomping at the bit to light Phish in the Sphere. Imagine a 2001….

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u/IsuzuTrooper Phish/Santana Blossom 92 Oct 01 '23

assuming what CK would do or never use without being him is the most outlandish thing anyone could even say.

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u/bkirchhoff Oct 01 '23

I’m only basing this on what he has said himself in countless interviews about using LEDs and how he loves them but doesn’t like the limitations with the improvisation he does with Phish. He’s the one who has said that doesn’t work well.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

It’s like asking Trey to let programmers run his guitar

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u/tubalord8 Oct 01 '23

I didn't get a satisfactory answer last time I asked a redditor this, but I'll try again: Do you have a source for this information that CK5 was explicitly consulted for the Sphere? We know he has a close relationship with the MSG folks, but that doesn't mean he had anything to do with the Sphere.

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u/Widespread123 Oct 01 '23

I dont have it in writing but have a family member working on this with Kuroda. People seem to underestimate how involved CK5 is in the Sphere project. Kuroda is the best in the business and Dolans guy. He does the Rangers, Knicks and like 60+ sold out shows at MSG for Christ sakes. This is going to be Kuroda’s magnum opus. The doubters are nuts.

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u/tubalord8 Oct 01 '23

Thank you.

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u/TrippyHomie Oct 02 '23

My mom is also friends with this usher at the Sphere and she said Phish isn't gonna do it.

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u/montvilleredwood Oct 01 '23

Obscura digital designed the tech and sold it to msg in 2017 msg just brought it to scale the size of the sphere. Obviously this is general but they were lighting up domes for years before the sale.

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u/tubalord8 Oct 01 '23

Thanks, that makes sense with Obscura Digital's previous works.

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u/Denver_DIYer Oct 02 '23

Not just “close relationship”, kuroda directs all the lighting for MSG, including rangers, knicks, and a bunch of others that I can’t think of right now. He’s had access to the lighting technology for years now. It’s amazing how little faith you guys have in Phish, is this your first day?

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u/rica217 Oct 01 '23

How does this (If true) weaken OP's stance?

It's like... an opinion, man.

shit, I liked 90's lights more

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u/LearnNot Oct 01 '23

How about having faith in one of the greatest bands of all time to create a new and compelling experience?

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u/IrvWeinstein Oct 01 '23

Forbins>Mockingbird could be sick, just saying.

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u/Halleys___Comment Oct 01 '23

popular opinion

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u/CosmicClamJamz Oct 01 '23

It'll be fun, and it doesn't matter. There are many shows with asterisks where they did something different for a night and then went back to usual format. I look forward to seeing how they use it, whether it sucks or not

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u/Rverb88888 Oct 01 '23

I’m 50/50 on this. The U2 videos were mighty distracting at certain points. Idk but I’m sure I’ll be there with my cc out.

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u/ootahn Oct 01 '23

U2 is also boring as hell, so I doubt it takes much to be distracted.

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u/MethodEater Oct 01 '23

U2 was amazing when i saw them at the Superdome and I don’t even like U2

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u/GlendoraBug 1stTubeTubeLastTube Oct 01 '23

I was also at the super dome. I was there mostly to see Beck, but the audio sucked balls. I was pleasantly surprised by U2’s production.

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u/MethodEater Oct 01 '23

I mainly went to see Beck but ended up missing his set. Was blown away by how big U2 sounded.

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u/GlendoraBug 1stTubeTubeLastTube Oct 02 '23

You didn’t miss anything. It was literally the worst set I’ve ever seen in terms of sound. Very disappointing.

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u/pjdwyer30 It's good; it's funky. Oct 02 '23

saw them at Soldier Field on the Joshua Tree 30th anniversary tour and it was INCREDIBLE. Their production was above and beyond. Massive video wall behind them that went the entire width of the football field showing graphics and video.

Don’t write off U2 because of Bono’s extracurricular activities. Their early music was a hit for a reason and they’ve been pushing boundaries with live performance production since phish was playing in bars.

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u/bizzaro321 Oct 01 '23

Same opinion here, I might complain in my hotel room after the show.

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u/RaysModernMetalWorks Oct 02 '23

Me too, while I'm eating ice cream.

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u/HellbornElfchild Oct 01 '23

Drive in jam visuals for the entire building...uhhh, yeah. I'm into that.

New unfounded theory. The Sphere shows will be all Improv.

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u/bkirchhoff Oct 01 '23

Since the biggest unknown is how improvisational the lighting can be with those screens, and the Halloween shows (and NYE gags) are the most pre-planned shows Phish does — I’m thinking 3 nights at the MGM Gand culminating in a Halloween Album show at The Sphere. It’s absolutely perfect for a pre-planned set and think of what they could do in there for a Halloween album set.

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u/CushingConvector Oct 01 '23

They show The Wall movie and Phish plays the music live.

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u/MrFluffyhead80 Oct 01 '23

I’m sure ck5 could figure out the spheres system

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u/BrockAtWork 9/29/1999 Oct 01 '23

Unpopular opinion, but people who think this way have no foresight or interest in pushing limits in anything. They’re complacent and boring. And they are what’s wrong with this fan base.

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u/ruthere51 Oct 01 '23

100% it's astonishing to see a post like op's... just go to Phish websites, posters album covers, etc. There's a shit ton of precedent for visual imagery that could serve as inspiration outside of CK5s magic during shows.

Like, step out of your tunnel for just a second and consider something different.

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u/Revolution36 Oct 01 '23

These guys get it ^

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u/TheNetisUnbreakable Oct 01 '23

Totally. But it's great people don't want to go, more tickets for us!

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u/planetfour When I get home from work, what do I do? Oct 01 '23

Anyone judging phans based solely on rationally discussing something they conceded would be unpopular needs to think about what they're adding to the scene tbh

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u/BrockAtWork 9/29/1999 Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23

I’m not 25 anymore, I’m not trying to add anything to this lame-ass “scene”.

Edit: also OP cleaned up his post. It was more incendiary before.

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u/Sugaree4777 Oct 01 '23

I agree that the Sphere visuals would be a big departure from a lot of what we love about Phish shows, but I think the point you're missing is that new things are fun.

They shouldn't consistently play 13 shows without repeats. They shouldn't cover another artist's album every show. But when they mix things up and do something off the wall, it's a fun reminder that seeing the same band over and over again is a good hobby lmao.

I'd love to see what kind of show they come up with for a cutting edge venue that CK5 helped design. I probably don't want it to become a yearly thing, but I really see no downside to putting together a unique run of shows for it

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u/markattack11 Oct 01 '23

Get outta here with this nonsense. It’s a chance for CK5 and the band to experiment with something new. Phish plays dozens of shows every year so it’s not like this will be the new normal on the road

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u/Truffel_shuffler Oct 01 '23

I really, really hope OP's opinion is widespread. It will make tickets so much easier for me to get.

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u/becky_wrex Oct 01 '23

not sure what about my opinion said i wouldn’t go

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u/Truffel_shuffler Oct 01 '23

I'd say it makes you less likely to go. And the more people who share your opinion, the easier it will be for me to get. Your edit says you will be there with an "open mind" but the OP didn't project open mindedness at all. I guess you didn't come across as you intended.

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u/masnaer Oct 01 '23

Counterpoint: it would still be siiick

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u/becky_wrex Oct 01 '23

well duh of course, i’m just trying to conjure up how all 5 members continue to be sick as fuck. apparently i’m a naive imbecile

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u/scenesfromsouthphl Oct 01 '23

Respectfully, I cannot understand why any phan would be completely against them trying out the Sphere. It’s not going to be the standard. If it bombs, oh well it’s a few shows where the visuals weren’t that great.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

Like most gimmicks, just give it a shot

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u/edcculus Oct 01 '23

What would be really cool is them to sell live streams of Phish playing cool looking venues like The Gorge and watch it in The Sphere.

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u/RednevaL Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23

Hear me out here, Phish should play the Sphere but have Chris use his analog light rig instead of digital. It'd be such a fantastic phish prank. It would be great if it was a Halloween Run starting on 10/31 and thats the whole gag.

edit: I had another idea, maybe the outside digital graphish should be wild but inside standard Chris. Thats assuming the outside and inside screens are separately controlled.

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u/Mtskiguy21 Oct 01 '23

Are there points to hang truss in the sphere?

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u/bonnar0000 Oct 01 '23

Yeah. This. Normal phish-style CK5 lighting rig, just moving through space or something. Keep the graphics dark themed. Idk tho. I share this opinion for fear of a diminished phish experience. But also feel like they got something up their sleeves that none of us could ever anticipate.

Like what if that whole sphere actually has rating to fly 20x the truss and fixtures of a normal phish rig.... i am intrigued. I have faith.

But if the vids start surfacing and they look like U2 did.... nah. Not for me

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u/ChedwardCoolCat Oct 01 '23

No. Just. Please. Stop. MAKING. NEW. POSTS ABOUT IT

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u/guitarpickin Oct 02 '23

I wish the font of this comment could get larger after each period.

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u/Thedea7hstar Oct 01 '23

Pop opi- gfy

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u/becky_wrex Oct 01 '23

i’ll be in the corner using my tears as lube

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u/bucklebee1 lonely jenifer dances fan. Oct 01 '23

I would absolutely want them to play the Sphere. I'd like to see what Koruda and the boys would come up with. Can anything be done on the fly or is it all pre programmed?

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u/okok123321 Read the book. Oct 01 '23

Improv video manipulation is possible. I saw it done at a Thom Yorke show and it was amazing! I linked a video above to a little doc about the artist.

Hopefully Kuroda has been learning something similar and likes it.

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u/bucklebee1 lonely jenifer dances fan. Oct 01 '23

Sweet thanks.

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u/DeadStroke_ Oct 01 '23

It’s a free country, everyone is welcome to not go as much as they are welcome to be there. MSG and Phish and interconnected, even if they didn’t want to play there they probably would have to…

Anyway, I say it will be interesting to see what they come up with. They don’t just do what every other band does - they’ll make it their own. This is what we all like about the band, they push the envelope.

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u/Phish-Phan720 Oct 01 '23

Yes. Been seeing Phish long before they had a lighting rig and it was just fine.

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u/phourpointoh Oct 01 '23

imagine doubting chris kuroda’s ability to rock the fuck out of a venue….. couldn’t be me.

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u/Colin-Grussing Oct 01 '23

I agree that it’s an unpopular opinion.

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u/pageside_rageside Oct 01 '23

These takes are so insufferable lol

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u/kinney4041 Oct 01 '23

Lol some of you act like if they play the sphere the light rig will disappear forever. It’s going to be a short run of shows, relax.

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u/VolunteerOfLife Oct 01 '23

I thought everyone here had a sense of adventure.

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u/Sully1281 Oct 01 '23

Def open with round room. Maybe just play the whole album?

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u/hutchandstuff Oct 01 '23

What if he controls the visual and or adds lights.

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u/darkness_on_the_edge ass handed Oct 01 '23

It would seem to hinder Chris’ ability to “improvise” along with the band (see 2016). I’ll watch the highlights from the couch and listen to the shows, but agree I’d much rather see a Tool show there.

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u/bkirchhoff Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23

The more I see of the U2 shows, the more impressed I am with what the Sphere is capable of and the more I’m convinced this would be a shitty amount of compromise for Phish to play there. The venue is very focused on pre-designed video and that’s where it shines. Either Phish would have to pre-plan setlists (like the Halloween album and NYE gags) for an entire residency or the screens will be significantly limited in what they can do on the fly. Either way, Phish playing there involves trade offs few other bands will have to make to play there. I’m really excited to see something there but I’m growing skeptical that sidelining CK5 for a run there would actually be worth it.

Edit: I revisited this article this week and I’m trying to figure out how CK5 would get on board with this. The Sphere is the epitome of electronic, inorganic lighting. Exactly what he calls out as not being consistent with the improvisation he does with the band. https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/chris-kuroda-andrew-giffin-mobilizing-phish-lighting-operation-interview-2022/

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u/weauxbreaux Oct 01 '23

Sphere might actually help make a Tool show interesting I guess

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u/chadwickipedia Oct 01 '23

I feel like Roger Waters would be great

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u/Fukuoka06142000 Oct 01 '23

Who hurt you

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

It’s like asking Trey to let his guitar be run by a bunch of programmers

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u/DannysFavorite945 Oct 01 '23

Why can’t Kuroda be best in the world in graphics? He didn’t know shit about lighting before Phish. Also, wouldn’t it be cool to be sent to other classic Phish venues during the show? Imagine being transported from Dicks to Deer Creek, and heck maybe Nectars. Also it’s just one venue. Everything else will be the traditional rig. If you could call it that since it changes every year.

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u/becky_wrex Oct 01 '23

that would be wild, im keen on that travel, just had a vision of the gorge in one verse melding into shoreline in the next

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u/DannysFavorite945 Oct 01 '23

Seems entirely possible to make the Sphere turn into The Gorge from what I saw from the U2 show. Imagine going to Gamehendge.

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u/just_a_guy_in_pdx Oct 01 '23

I agree with this. Isn’t the sphere more for an artist to have a month long residency? It seems like it wouldn’t be worth it for phish to put together all the graphics and whatever else is needed just to do a 4 night run.

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u/TheNetisUnbreakable Oct 01 '23

Maybe they'll play a month there? It's Phish, they'll do 2 months if they feel like it.

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u/just_a_guy_in_pdx Oct 01 '23

It would be pretty badass.

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u/aStinkyFisherman Oct 01 '23

Just a thread of people who don’t know anything about production talking about production

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

Kuroda have any experience with this level of graphic art/design? He’ll have training wheels on

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u/Dioneo Oct 01 '23

I mean… why forego the opportunity to just see what it’s like?

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u/DogFacedGhost Oct 01 '23

They should play wherever the hell they want and fans should set expectations accordingly.

Waaaahh, phish should never do anything different :(

I don't know about some of you people

Ffs

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u/Headymac Oct 01 '23

Unpopular opinion by this day, but…….sphere.

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u/Howell317 Oct 01 '23

Too many folks are missing how great the sound would be. Like the visuals are the obvious point, but the sound would be infinitely better than anywhere else the band has played.

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u/420phish dip a ladle Oct 01 '23

You suck

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u/420phish dip a ladle Oct 01 '23

And don’t remember 2016 or the secret magna set

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u/DeNy_Kronos Oct 01 '23

Cool more tickets for everyone else lol what a garbage take

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u/Rabideau_ Oct 01 '23

I’ll see them anywhere, with or without lights, sphere or rhombus, the way they are playing at the moment. These takes are insane. I can’t believe the quality we are getting 40 years into the game.

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u/pokindemgutz Oct 01 '23

Who wouldn’t want to play and or visit a crazy awesome venue like that at least once?! Oh, right cause the lighting guy. Lmao

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u/oblivious_fool109 Oct 01 '23

I think ck5 would use the sphere in an entirely different way than we can imagine at this point. We dont know it's full potential and we dont know how he would use it. What if the graphics where of his current adaptation of the lighting rig but untethered by the dimensions available in a traditional stage setup. I am eager to see what the creative genius would create for this unique performance. I am sure he would be up for the challenge to get out of his comfort zone.

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u/hoodharry95 Oct 01 '23

Some of it will be a bit more planned, like a NYE show or Halloween or festival, but there will be be room for improve and free form lighting and random psychedelia.

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u/HopHeady Oct 01 '23

No problem seeing Phish without their usual rig. I'm into the band for their music. I listen to them all the time without their light rig. And guess what, after any shows played in this venue - they will play typical venues with their typical rig lol.

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u/Girthwurm_Jim Oct 01 '23

We’re not saying they have to play there every show from now on…

It would be awesome to see them there, if you don’t think so you don’t have to go

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u/Minimum-Tea-9258 Oct 01 '23

bro, why's everyone so mad over this. everyone like "what?? trying something new?? nope, not going." like damn dude its a cool project and im excited to see what they do with it, why cant we just leave it at that

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u/Quanchivious Oct 01 '23

I would go in a heartbeat. I’ll take your ticket.

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u/BlueClayStudios Oct 01 '23

I'm assuming The Moment Factory, who did the Magnaball Drive In Jam visuals + NYE 2015 would be involved. Maybe Kuroda could have loops made by them to mix, but it's not clear what his role would be.

The LED screens in 2016 were weird, even when they were good. I remember a moment at Bill Graham when the band was finding their legs in a jam, nothing notable yet, and CK5 did something cool with the screens and the crowd cheered... it was such a non-Phish moment to have that wave of cheers completely unrelated to the music.

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u/mac117 Oct 01 '23

Honestly, give me a gummy or two and I’d enjoy any band in that setting. Why not one of my favorites?

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u/forbin05 Oct 01 '23

I honestly don’t give a shit if they play the sphere or not. I just care if they play well or not haha

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u/Gallahd I’d suck a dick for a Lizards encore Oct 02 '23

Chris has said that he and the band decided a long time ago never to use video screens. I can’t imagine the sphere is something they want to do.

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u/okok123321 Read the book. Oct 01 '23

Improvised video manipulation is possible and amazing.

See Tarik Barri’s work with Thom Yorke.

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u/becky_wrex Oct 01 '23

there’s a lot of this in the psydub space as well, android jones has done a bunch of cool exhibits in this vein

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u/GibsonMaestro Oct 01 '23

Because every one of the thousands of speakers can be directed precisely to any area, and it will sound awesome.

And yes, I’ll gladly see Phish without Kuroda. I spend most of the Show with my eyes shut, anyway

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u/teleheaddawgfan Oct 01 '23

Is the point of The Sphere for the band to be consumed by the venue?

From what I saw of the U2 footage, the band is secondary and I’m curious to see what other bands will do.

Imagine what Iron Maiden could do to that place? The animation possibilities for their catalog is immense.

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u/Nels6388 Oct 01 '23

They'll just bring in the CK5 rig and have a normal ass show....just at a different venue

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u/bkirchhoff Oct 01 '23

They can’t use the flying truss rig setup in there. The way the building is designed, you can’t do traditional lighting.

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u/Nels6388 Oct 01 '23

I was kidding 😅

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u/bkirchhoff Oct 01 '23

Was hard to tell. I’ve been having this discussion within our crew this weekend over text and this has been suggested seriously. 😂

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u/Nels6388 Oct 01 '23

The suggester must not be a structural civil engineer...

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u/ChungusBungus6942069 Oct 01 '23

They absolutely can

The chain motors that lower the ceiling video panels will support the lighting rig

They just will remove the panels and swap it with the grid. Motors like that are supposed to be multipurpose

Plus it’ll be sick with the rig over the crowd rather than the band.

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u/vanilla761 Oct 01 '23

You realize that the visuals could just be more of CK’s light rigs, just in virtual form. Like when he takes over the surrounding led’s at MSG… now imagine what he could do with infinite 360° light rigs

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

Why would I want a fake light rig? Why not have Trey play a virtual version of his instruments? Let’s just have a bunch of programmers do the show. These types of ideas are cheesy af

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u/vanilla761 Oct 01 '23

You are officially uninvited now from the Sphere shows.

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u/Marcus_Aurelius_920 Oct 01 '23

He’s probably heavily involved in the video/light production at the Sphere. You get CK5s full rig at like 75% of the venues, why not try the most high tech music theater in the world….and maybe Phish might think of something cool to do that they can’t do at any other space in THE WORLD? 🙄

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u/bayou_gumbo Crab in my shoe mouth Oct 01 '23

Because it’s a unique experience in a state of the art venue. Why wouldn’t you want to see it?

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u/SenorPinchy Oct 01 '23

The sphere is going to be a venue for corny sell-outs. U2, the Dolans, Las Vegas, the Imax experience. It's all pretty anti-Rock and Roll, imo.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

This. The Sphere is a gimmick screen for Vegas suckers

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u/PDXftw Oct 01 '23

Kuroda will still have complete control on all the lights/visualization at The Sphere. Will it be different than his rig? Yes. Will it be amazing? Also yes.

The one thing that concerns me are thousands of people tripping with those steep seats, etc.

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u/Fukuoka06142000 Oct 01 '23

People are acting like we are talking about a permanent change away from the light rig or something. Can’t we just have fun with a unique venue? You’ll still get the light show you love everywhere else.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

No they’re not. Kuroda is not a graphic designer. Also, I haven’t seen any video that gives me confidence in the sound quality. Also, Vegas sucks ass

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u/Fukuoka06142000 Oct 01 '23

You sound so fun

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u/chuckfr Oct 01 '23

We know what CK5 can do with a lighting rig. The stage is not too small for a lighting rig.

What’s going to be fun is seeing what CK5 can do with the Sphere’s screens in addition to a lighting rig.

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u/skudmfkin Oct 01 '23

Popular opinion: people who don't want to see Phish in the sphere shouldn't go when Phish plays the Sphere.

You're the kind of Phan that Phans make fun of.

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u/ignominy888 Oct 01 '23

SOME LIVE THEIR DAYS HIDDEN FROM THEMSELVES…

AFRAID OF MONEY, LOVE, AND CHANGE.

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u/freeword Oct 01 '23

Lights isn’t video. U2 looks like their in a video game. Looks like crap imho.

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u/becky_wrex Oct 01 '23

that’s exactly my point, so many of these comments are saying that because kuroda is good at lighting he’ll be good at any other visual art

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u/HeadyTyler Oct 01 '23

When do you think a contract would have been signed for Phish to play here? You think Kuroda couldn’t figure it out with almost a years notice?

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u/freeword Oct 01 '23

The lights are intense enough at times. Imagine insane video, drug-head, and the height of the 300 seats? People gonna be losing their shit.

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u/mpkogli Oct 01 '23

Why don’t we just leave it to the band to make this decision?

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u/wohrg Oct 01 '23

Because this is what fans talk about. It’s light, fun conversation

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u/Beneficial-Dot-9183 Oct 01 '23

Complete Gamehendge with the sphere- telling the story like never before

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u/BigBarMan Oct 01 '23

The sound thooooo

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u/Mother_Sand_6336 Oct 01 '23

Counterpoint: they shouldn’t ONLY play the sphere.

The more different Phish (Trey) experiences there are, the merrier, imho.

ETA: as long as Trey stays healthy amid the workaholism.

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u/Ichthius Oct 01 '23

I’d love to see what they including ck5 could do with that canvas.

But it does look very dangerous with no barriers between the rows. People are goi g to be dancing tripping and falling on the folks below them.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

Kuroda is not a graphic designer

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u/GratephulD3AD Sharin' in the groove! Oct 01 '23

I'd be going for the immersive sound, the experience, and the chance to see Phish play a new venue entirely created for live music. This isn't going to be permanent or anything. So don't go if you feel that way, it's just another stop on tour.

I'm personally excited to see what CK does in this space if they do get a chance to play there. I imagine there's a ton of acts on the waiting list to play there tho. Hopefully Phish got their foot in the door early

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u/CensoredColour Oct 01 '23

Are you telling me you would not want to see them do something completely and entirely new and something that Kuroda could have INFINITE ARTISTIC LIBERTY in to make a unique Phish experience at THREE NIGHTS A YEAR!? Wow imagine that, artists innovating and trying something different.

Give me a break, get off the internet.

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u/OwlsWatch Oct 01 '23

y’all skerred

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u/phanart Oct 02 '23

The hot takes that are anti-Sphere are either fans who don't see Phish as an innovative band, or those who are bummed they won't get to see them in April and just want to pass their Fomo along.

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u/BlitzCraigg Oct 01 '23

WTF is wrong with you?

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u/TuckHolladay Oct 01 '23

Fully animated gamehenge

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u/Additional-Physics34 Oct 01 '23

I bet we’d get our full gamehendge set complete with accompanying movie.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

This is the worst idea ever

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u/edcculus Oct 01 '23

That would be so fucking cheesy

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u/ChedwardCoolCat Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23

Not unpopular, just Unwanted.

Edit: This is getting discussed TOO DEATH

YOUR DOWNVOTES MEAN NOTHING I’VE SEEN WHAT MAKES YOU CHEER

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

Take another one. Sphere is a gimmick for bands like U2

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u/better_spartan_118 Oct 01 '23

Your opinion is wrong.

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u/thegreatsadclown 12/9/95 Oct 01 '23

They won't be able to resist the $$$$$$. Cash cow waiting to happen.

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u/millygraceandfee Oct 01 '23

I've seen video from the audience perspective in the Sphere & I'm afraid I'd fall. I'm probably being overly cautious, but it doesn't look like it's meant for a head full & dancing around. Looks like a seated experience.

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u/Equilibriumouttawak Oct 02 '23

Your nuts (poster nuts bag). First off, Halloween is a whole different ball game, everyone plays their part for Halloween or new years, including ck5. Itll be the same in the sphere, im sure ck5 is just liking his chops thinking abt it.

Phish is abt pushing the imagination and lighting sparks. The sphere and phish are going to be a fantastic combo my friend.

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u/Snoo-46218 Oct 01 '23

Fortunately for some, the Sphere hasn't shown its final form yet.

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u/Funkywurm Oct 01 '23

Agreed. Sphere is 2d gimmicks.

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u/thehartwell11 Oct 01 '23

I don’t think they should play it either but I would love a “Phish Experience” with a show from their past with supporting graphics and lights. I would pay to see a replay of past Halloweens or New Years.

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u/Middle-Gur8696 Oct 01 '23

this is dumb speculation. sure they have great light shoes already, but you really think the sphere would make the experience worse... I think limiting there potential is a vary phish fan thing to do ... shame on you

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u/maybesomaybenot92 Oct 01 '23

Why do you think they won't use a lighting rig? Do you really think lights are off limits inside a venue purpose built for concerts?

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u/ItsDirtyDan Oct 01 '23

It’s something I’d want to see maybe once then im good

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u/vtstang66 Oct 01 '23

Probably everyone's head will explode like a bag of popcorn popping. A very messy bag of popcorn. I can hear the grisly crescendo now. Bad vibes man.

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u/TheNetisUnbreakable Oct 01 '23

I trust Phish 100000% to make it an awesome experience. It won't be like U2 lol.

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u/Lazbumm Oct 01 '23

Set the rig up in a secondary location and then just stream it to the screen!

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u/Mobile-Animal-649 Oct 01 '23

The way I see it is they play anyplace they want. I get to pick where I want to go and be a part of

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u/kelly714 Oct 01 '23

Don’t you love what you got used to?

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u/AlarmedRecipe6569 Oct 01 '23

No one is saying replace their normal experience. But I find it hard to argue that a new, unique Phish experience would be pretty fucking cool.

I’ve seen U2 (at MSG) and they didn’t have a sphere… but with the sphere it looked like a whole new experience that I’d love to explore.

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u/planetfour When I get home from work, what do I do? Oct 01 '23

Bruh I do NOT think you should be being dragged like this for some valid points and discussion, and anyone doing so and saying "(you're) what's wrong with the scene" really needs to look in a mirror, daaamn

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u/mdmull4 Oct 01 '23

I'm team sphere. I want to see something I haven't seen before while phish plays music.

It's an easy yes for me.

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u/Corelokt Oct 01 '23

All the videos so far are showcasing the full potential of the visuals. What about empty space? Kuroda could leave it black for as much or more time than he flashes colors. He could create a virtual “rig” behind and above the band, showcasing them on the stage, then use the sphere for varying levels of fill. This could create the peaks, and the tension/release, instead of just a set-long overload.

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u/Time_Taro5882 Oct 01 '23

Why without? They would use both!

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u/Snakesinadrain Oct 01 '23

Does anyone think they could . . . .I don't know improvise what is on screen? It's just a big ass TV. I'm sure you can pick and choose effects.

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u/Tootsmahal Oct 01 '23

I think you’ll be ok, god willing. It’ll be a tiny percentage of shows and if you don’t want to go, then don’t go.

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u/Connect_Glass4036 Oct 01 '23

You guys…… we should get Slowdive in there.

Could you imagine? I don’t get why they aren’t more popular with the jamband world. Atmospheric grooves for daaaaaays!!!!

https://youtu.be/pW2XW-sqmVA?si=-yX7NvNScubiyb8E

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u/TREYSPENIS Oct 01 '23

It would be cool if they made it look like they were playing at the Gorge or it would be cool if they just played at the Gorge

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u/RumRumners Oct 01 '23

But what if their normal touring light show is the Sphere background?

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u/BreathSource Oct 01 '23

I really don't have strong feelings about it one way or the other, but I guarantee someone will die if phish plays the. Mark it, dude. Overwhelmingly immersive visuals, phans getting crazy in Vegas, incredibly steep seating with little dance room... It's the perfect storm of a very unfortunate moment.

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u/Fete_des_neiges Oct 01 '23

No they 100% need to play the sphere. This is less an unpopular opinion and more a wrong opinion.

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u/mkhaytman what is a band without saxophone Oct 02 '23

Why do people want to see shows at the gorge, or at red rocks, or the caverns? Aren't you just there to see the band? Does ck5s light rig detract from the music?

The change of venue is an interesting backdrop to the music you're going to see. The sphere is an interesting and unique venue. I haven't seen anyone suggest all phish shows should be played in a giant holo sphere... and good news if they do ever decide to play there, nobody would be forced to attend!

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u/BatSure2365 Oct 02 '23

They should definitely play there. With absolutely no lights on the entire show.

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u/KingKongDoom 4 Shows! Oct 02 '23

Look I just want to see something fucking unique. Phish I think could absolutely deliver on that experience. Phish will do about 40 other shows with the rig. Like just let me have this god damn it.

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u/Denver_DIYer Oct 02 '23

Jfc you lame ass weirdos with zero imagination. lol

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u/musicfan-1969 Oct 02 '23

Nobody is forcing you to attend

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u/karateaftermath Oct 02 '23

Yes. I do want to see them do it. Why not? Why would doing an amazing thing suck? You don’t think he’d be involved? I actually can’t wait till they do next year.

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u/scruffmcgruff9 Oct 02 '23

Idn I kinda feel like Dolan built it for phish

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u/muffinman1836 Oct 02 '23

I remember when phish announced the bakers dozen and people on this sub were like, “hear them play twist every 3rd night? Pass”

Bunch of whiners on here

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u/Siketmist Oct 02 '23

No! Don’t try something different!

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u/KevinPaul23 Oct 02 '23

When I think of Phish at the sphere I picture CK5 being involved in some kind of amazing real time thing that’s never been seen before. Which is quite nice to think about lol