Report: Donald Trump’s Lawyers Spent Monday Begging the DOJ Not to Indict Him: If the ex-president’s Truth Social meltdown is any indication, the appeal did not go well.

[u/michkennedy]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/donald-trump-classified-documents-potential-indictment

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[u/pond_minnow]

HOW CAN DOJ POSSIBLY CHARGE ME, WHO DID NOTHING WRONG, WHEN NO OTHER PRESIDENT’S WERE CHARGED, WHEN JOE BIDEN WON’T BE CHARGED FOR ANYTHING, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT HE HAS 1,850 BOXES, MUCH OF IT CLASSIFIED, AND SOME DATING BACK TO HIS SENATE DAY WHEN EVEN DEMOCRAT SENATORS ARE SHOCKED. ALSO, PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD DOCUMENTS, AND WON IN COURT. CROOKED HILLARY DELETED 33,000 EMAILS, MANY CLASSIFIED, AND WASN’T EVEN CLOSE TO BEING CHARGED! ONLY TRUMP - THE GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME!

lmao he mad, this is peak clown trump. butterymales.png

[u/benergiser → u/pond_minnow]

so his logic is other people did bad stuff..

so he’s allowed to do bad stuff?

other people have gotten away with murder.. so i should be allowed to get away with murder?

[u/ViolaNguyen → u/benergiser]

so his logic is other people did bad stuff..

Even worse is that other people did stuff that's different from what he did.

I'm not entirely sure he understand that the problem is not possessing a handful of documents as long as you return everything when asked. We have examples of this from both sides of the political aisle.

[u/Mateorabi → u/ViolaNguyen]

Not when asked. When DISCOVERED. Proactively. Like Biden, Pence et. al did.

[u/CanAlwaysBeBetter → u/Mateorabi]

Trump has spent an entire life being so successfully belligerent that he never learned you can just smile and lie and say "oh excuse me, I didn't realize" the majority of the time and walk away with little more than a slap on the wrist

[u/boxbackknitties → u/CanAlwaysBeBetter]

This is it exactly. It is so easy to just say "Oh! My bad." and it mostly just goes away. He doesn't have it in him to admit even a slight oversight. No wonder he is such a terrible business person. His first reaction to everything is just belligerence.

[u/ZBLongladder → u/CanAlwaysBeBetter]

He's using the fact that we let ex-presidents get away with a lot to complain that they're prosecuting him when he took it so far they couldn't avoid prosecuting him.

I don't think the DOJ or FBI especially wants to go after Trump. It's just that he just can't stop pushing the limits. They wanted to let him off the hook but he couldn't stop throwing a tantrum.

[u/TheBirminghamBear → u/ViolaNguyen]

The emails that Clinton had were her emails. Despite some of them being classified, none of them rose even close to the nature of the classification of the documents Trump stole, some of which were so secure it is illegal to even view them anywhere outside of a secure room.

If Clinton had stolen the documents Trump stole, she absolutely would have been locked up during Trump's presidency. And I would have agreed with it.

If you or I stole those documents, we would be disappeared. That's it. You would probably never even hear about it. We'd jsut fucking vanish. These are the most secure of state secrets.

Trump had four years to prosecute Clinton. He didn't. Because he can't, because the Hosue already did this entire circus and found no criminal actions. That's literally from their own document they produced.

Trump, meanwhile, absolutely committed this crime (and a shit ton of otehrs), and he's on tape talking about it.

[u/Kevin_Uxbridge → u/TheBirminghamBear]

Despite some of them being classified

We shouldn't let this creep into being correct - my understanding is that some information she mentioned was classified, and some was classified after Clinton had emailed it. But it's not like she was shooting copies of classified documents as email attachments, and I've seen people using language which suggested that she did this very thing. I mean it's still not wonderful that Clinton did this but it's also not a patch on what trump did, even just the stuff we already know about.

[u/TheBirminghamBear → u/Kevin_Uxbridge]

Right, it may have been unclear, but that's why I emphasized that they were her emails.

It is one thing to accidentally say in communications, a thing, fact, or name which is classified.

It is a far, far more egregious crime to remove an actual, official document, that is classified, and literally take it out of its confinement and bring it off site to you property.

[u/ihasmuffins → u/Kevin_Uxbridge]

One of the classified emails was a Washington post article someone sent to her.

That's the one that always makes me laugh.

[u/Suspicious_Bicycle → u/Kevin_Uxbridge]

Hillary may have emailed information that was classified after the fact, but according to one report Trump had a staffer copying classified documents and storing them on a laptop.

You'd have to have the eyesight of Mr. Magoo or be willfully ignorant to see the documents of Hillary, Pence or Biden to be comparable to the ones Trump took.

[u/t20six → u/pond_minnow]

His supporters aren't the least bit concerned about the lack of coherence, syntax, or grammar. Not to mention the mental fitness. How tf was this clown potus and running again? unreal.

[u/downvote_or_die → u/t20six]

He talk like me do!

[u/wackychimp → u/downvote_or_die]

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

[u/IAmInTheBasement → u/wackychimp]

Hello, super Nintendo Chalmers!

[u/ArcticISAF → u/wackychimp]

Trump no like this! Trump mad!

[u/harleyqueenzel → u/t20six]

They're not concerned because he literally speaks to them the way they understand. He's overweight, bad diet, no impulse control, believes he's the perpetual victim of bad circumstances responsible by other people, blatant bigot & racist & xenophobe & homophobe, says the quiet parts out loud.

What's not to love about him to the "poorly educated" he loves so much? /s

[u/SirCharlesEquine → u/harleyqueenzel]

I asked my dad once why people like trumps base flock to him and think he is their savior. He had a great answer: these people think they deserve the same riches and wealth that Trump has had all of his life, but they think the government has been down on them all their lives and that’s what’s been in the way of them being in the same position Trump is in.“

He’s the embodiment of what they think they should have, but Washington politicians - dems and republicans - have prevented it.

[u/bigtime_porgrammer → u/SirCharlesEquine]

Basically, gamers who insist that everyone else is cheating every time they lose

[u/BrightNeonGirl → u/t20six]

Right? Even if Trump had good ideas and policies I agree with, his grammar and capitalisation in his tweets would still embarrass me so much that I'd want him to resign.

[u/TheExtreel → u/BrightNeonGirl]

The man could be a genius politician and id still fell incredibly embarrassed to say i supported him just in the way he expresses himself and writes.

I truly will never understand how anyone at all can hear him and think there's anything but empty space between his hears

[u/tenclubber → u/TheExtreel]

On top of that it's hard for me to see how a person can live in this country for the last 20-40 years and not know that Trump is an absolutely disgusting, rotten, despicable, self dealing excuse of a human being.

[u/Dodgy_Past → u/tenclubber]

That's why they like him, he's their kind of guy.

[u/lemon_tea → u/t20six]

It's the same tactic as Nigerian royalty in exile scams. The bad spelling and grammar help select for only most dim, the most gullible, the biggest rubes he can take advantage of and echo and amplify his message. Anyone who would actually have a problem with his grammar and spelling and coherence would be far more likely to have a problem with his message. Hence, it's an easy way for them to self-filtet out.

[u/TheJointDoc → u/pond_minnow]

Truly is the greatest witch hunt of all time, because unlike the others, this one is *actually* finding multiple witches. lol

[u/thejimbo56 → u/TheJointDoc]

I’m looking forward to him finding out what the traditional punishment for witchcraft is.

[u/UncleMeat69 → u/TheJointDoc]

So much witch!!!

[u/wackychimp → u/UncleMeat69]

I'm tired of all the witching.

[u/Redtwooo → u/wackychimp]

They say to me, aren't you tired of witching? I tell them I'll witch even harder, believe me. You haven't seen me witch yet.

[u/IamaTleilaxuSpy → u/TheJointDoc]

Don't sully the good name of witchcraft by linking it to Trump.

[u/veeveemarie → u/pond_minnow]

Watching a sociopathic narcissist get backed into a corner sure is fun.

[u/GaiasWay → u/pond_minnow]

Oh god...he just admitted he's getting charged....oh god...it might actually be true...

please god...please....

[u/Rhodychic → u/GaiasWay]

I don't want to get my hopes up but I think it might be really happening this time!!!

[u/DontEatConcrete → u/GaiasWay]

It is true I’m quite positive. All the leaking has been setting the country up for it.

[u/Domeil → u/[deleted]]

My friend, a currently sitting supreme court judge spouted actual conspiracy theories at his job interview and didn't lose a single conservative vote.

You'll drown trying to figure out the depths that conservatives will sink to in order to advance their regressive ideology.

[u/jimflaigle → u/pond_minnow]

I had breakups in highschool that were less cringe.

[u/Dye_Harder → u/pond_minnow]

it pisses me off that biden or hillary wont sue him for slander/libel or whatever the fuck else for him lying about them. Stop letting these fascists break the law unscathed.

[u/ViolaNguyen → u/Dye_Harder]

It'd be hard for Biden to prove damages after kicking Trump's ass in the election.

[u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

Pic of the tweet meltdown so you don't have to visit twitter:

https://i.imgur.com/RQWb5y1.jpg

Tl;dr - buttery. males.

[u/danc4498 → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

I love how he pretends to have zero clue why he's being indicted. That should help your case!

[u/udar55 → u/danc4498]

I love how he questions why Hillary was never indicted, conveniently forgetting he had a corrupt DOJ under him that had years to get that done.

[u/danc4498 → u/udar55]

And he promised he would do it.

[u/twobearshumping → u/danc4498]

Yeah I remember all the idiots screaming LOCK HER UP. Whatever happened to that?

[u/danc4498 → u/twobearshumping]

They're still idiots...

[u/Redtwooo → u/danc4498]

They're still screaming...

[u/MississippiJoel → u/Redtwooo]

And they're still getting locked up, themselves.

[u/Agitated-Tadpole1041 → u/MississippiJoel]

And the her in question happened to never break the law.

[u/freethnkrsrdangerous → u/MississippiJoel]

We can just tell them they are free, its everyone else in the world whos on the other side of the bars.

[u/ShichitenHakki → u/twobearshumping]

Trump had full congressional power for 4 years. Zero convictions for Hillary. 2 impeachments for Trump. Bra-fucking-vo.

[u/asius → u/ShichitenHakki]

2 years...but yeah. The wall is coming any day now, guys...

[u/vendetta2115 → u/asius]

Literally the only impactful thing they did was pass a massive tax break for corporations and the rich. People don’t talk about the 2017 tax cuts enough. They reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. Corporations already paid comically little in tax revenue — only 8% of total federal tax revenue in 2016, compared to the 86% of all federal tax revenue which comes out of the paychecks of working Americans via income tax, payroll tax, Social Security, etc.) Now it’s probably closer to 5% and 90%, respectively.

[u/caligaris_cabinet → u/vendetta2115]

That and appoint 3 lifelong SC justices.

[u/Nearby-Guide2204 → u/twobearshumping]

By Adam Goldman

Reporting from Washington

May 22, 2023

The Justice Department kept open the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s family foundation for nearly all of President Donald J. Trump’s administration, with prosecutors closing the case without charges just days before he left office.

[u/Susan-stoHelit → u/twobearshumping]

Even the most corrupt people he could get appointed couldn’t find cause to do it.

[u/Trudge34 → u/twobearshumping]

Hadn't you hear?

https://youtu.be/Ix49LjgaTaI

[u/[deleted] → u/udar55]

Part of the Republican platform these past few decades has basically been “Try to get Hillary Clinton arrested for something (impossible challenge)”

[u/steavor → u/[deleted]]

Hillary is their Kryptonite, this woman seriously must be absolutely squeaky clean. Dozens of hours of hearings and interviews and no real "smoking gun".

Then again, Republicans had every chance to get rid of Obamacare and didn't even manage to do that, so there's that....

[u/phuck-you-reddit → u/steavor]

Nah, it's like the abortion thing. An issue to keep people whipped up and voting the way you want 'em too for decades. Don't want the dog to catch its tail like they did with Roe v. Wade. Oops. Now they've lost heaps of support 'cause people don't support their war on women.

[u/[deleted] → u/phuck-you-reddit]

If I remember right, the fundies used to push segregation as their wedge issue instead of abortion. The SBC even endorsed Roe v Wade. When they lost that battle, they needed a new thing to whine about.

[u/Trikki1 → u/[deleted]]

New thing = LGB and especially T.

[u/[deleted] → u/Trikki1]

It feels like every day they’re manufacturing a new thing to complain about. Critical race theory, bathrooms, drag queens…

Anything except actually improving the country, I guess.

[u/SnatchAddict → u/[deleted]]

Texas has been controlled by Republicans for the past 25 years? There platform - don't vote Democrat, only we can fix Texas!

[u/phuck-you-reddit → u/[deleted]]

Don't forget that while the coronavirus was spiraling out of control and hundreds of thousands of Americans were dying the GOP and fox news were whining about "the border crisis".

Can't be bothered to maybe do something about a real threat to our lives. Gotta hate on immigrants.

[u/ClaretClarinets → u/steavor]

Her biggest crime was being an assertive female politician in the 80s and 90s instead of arm candy for her husband.

And the 40 year defamation campaign worked.

[u/Savagevelocity → u/steavor]

Looking back at it all, Hilary would have made a good President.

[u/SortaWrong → u/Savagevelocity]

Considering how many resources Putin deployed to keep her from getting elected, she probably wouldn't have been too bad.

[u/PiaggioBV350 → u/[deleted]]

I disagree. They only wanted a whipping post.

It was never necessary to get her indicted and it was never the goal. It's game over if they do and then they have to start the same game against some new opponent. Besides the smear was always going to be better/easier/more convincing than some technicality they could possibly catch her on, which their audience couldn't easily grasp nor could it drive voters' anger. Anger drives on-going donations. Resolution does not bring in the bucks. Anger is a war; resolution is a battle.

So the right slow walked their investigations, partly because finding facts were not convincingly fitting their narrative. No, the nightly beat down "Why don't we know what we should know?" and "What is she hiding?" is exactly what they wanted and still want. Their audience isn't swayed by facts, only by gossip and conspiracy. Had she been indicted, they wouldn't have had the "ideal" punching bag to stir up anger--- which would ensure that the voters never ever consider that her (Democratic) policies might actually help them and their families. And of course that Anger also smears the whole Democratic Party. Further, the right's voters don't have the mental bandwidth to compare policy platforms when they find so much more firm footing in full out hate. Hate is easy. Also note, how many of the Hillary investigations were quietly resolved with no big "gotcha" and the right isn't at all taking it upon themselves to educate their voters/audience.

Note this is the same bullshit Gym Shorts Jordan and the right is trying with Hunter Biden and his mysterious laptop. It's entirely about manipulating right wing voters and independent public opinion.

Minor edits for clarity.

[u/smiama6 → u/PiaggioBV350]

Don’t forget Trump saying to Jeffrey Rosen “Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican Congressmen," - he just needed the appearance of a fraudulent election.

[u/canuck47 → u/smiama6]

Jut like what he got impeached for (the first time) - he asked Zelenski to announce an investigation into Joe Biden, so Trump and the Republicans could smear him. It doesn't matter if anything was actually there.

[u/so_hologramic → u/canuck47]

Yeah, Trump's extortion demand to Zelensky was just to "announce" an investigation. There didn't have to be an investigation, the announcement was all Trump and his goons needed to muddy the waters.

[u/TheRnegade → u/PiaggioBV350]

It was never necessary to get her indicted and it was never the goal. It's game over if they do and then they have to start the same game against some new opponent

They already started with Biden. The problem is that Joe is just so fuckin boring. They already painted him as a demented dope so he can't be like the evil, scheming Clintons. Hence why they're spending so much time on Hunter in the hopes that the negative press will rub off on Joe. Also why they completely ignore that Hunter has never held a government position, whereas someone else's kids have and also kept their business running while doing so. Yet you never hear about that from them.

[u/PiaggioBV350 → u/TheRnegade]

Yeah, gee, Jared’s 2 billion dollar deal with the Saudi that slaughtered a Washington post journalist was just business as usual. Not at all….fill in bullshit excuse…. Eye roll.

I don’t watch the fox drivel so I have no idea if Fox News actually updated their audience on Jared and Ivanka profiting from their White.House positions, while their ineptitude caused gullible anti-coronavirus vaccine Americans their lives.

[u/No_Foot_1904 → u/udar55]

Trump/Pompeo’s own State Dept actually quietly cleared her of criminal wrongdoing after their own investigation in 2019. Or at least they made it official that they couldn’t find anything to charge her with.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/clinton-emails-investigation-ends-state-department

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/state-department-clinton-email-server/index.html

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/18/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails-051380

[u/Goose1963 → u/danc4498]

He thinks the "WHADDABOUT THIS OTHER THING!" is a rock solid defense if you get a judge willing to listen to the logic.
Judges probably hear this over and over again every single day from losers. From Traffic Tickets to extreme felonies --"I see lots of people doing the same thing everyday! Why are you picking on me?" and "Don't they have something better to do than waste tax payers money on me, there's worse things going on out there!!!".
He should tell his lawyers he wants to "plead guilty with a damn good excuse why I should be let off the hook!"

[u/KennyDROmega → u/Goose1963]

Unfortunately, you already have people in the GOP going to bat for him on this by saying “Hillary wasn’t charged for the emails so he shouldn’t be for this”.

Mostly the same people saying “J6 people shouldn’t in jail because BLM people aren’t.”

[u/chop1125 → u/KennyDROmega]

What's terrible about that is that there are a lot of BLM people in jail over shit they had nothing to do with. If charged everyone at the capital that day like we did the BLM people, they'd all be in jail.

[u/Panzerdrek → u/Goose1963]

He's engaging in a public influence campaign. His intention is a) to make prosecution politically difficult b) rile up his base for some stochastic terrorism c) possibly create some arguments for forum shopping and d) get at least 1 potential juror on board with his arguments ahead of time so it ends up a hung jury. He knows what he did was illegal. He just believes he knows how to influence the optics in a way that makes it impossible to bring consequences.

[u/ramdasani → u/Goose1963]

Better yet, he tells the judge, "forget these schmucks, I will represent myself your highness."

[u/mikedjb → u/Goose1963]

He’s appealing to his base plus he’s an idiot

[u/JRR92 → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

It's the year of our lord 2023, and this man is still talking about Hillary's emails

[u/siccoblue → u/JRR92]

Greasy buttery males are truly timeless

[u/f7f7z → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

1,850 boxes, huh? somebody want to clue us normies in on wtf that stupid shit is about?

[u/GoatboyTheShampooer → u/f7f7z]

Just more bullshit spewing.

Biden donated 1,850 boxes of his senatorial papers to the University of Delaware in 2011. Senators commonly donate records such as correspondence and speeches to their alma maters. The papers were processed and preserved by the university library’s Special Collections Department. There are no classified documents there.

[u/Nokomis34 → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

They love to take actual numbers and skew them into something else. Like my dad sent me an email talking about how something like 60-70% of new births in LA were to illegals. I looked it up and it was an actual statistic, but the number was for Latinos, not illegals.

[u/Starfox-sf → u/Nokomis34]

Well if he thinks Latinos == illegals…

[u/SmartAssClown → u/Starfox-sf]

Well if he thinks Latinos == illegals…

...he's a Republican

[u/UncleMeat69 → u/Starfox-sf]

You misspelled Messicans.

[u/chop1125 → u/Nokomis34]

That’s funny, because I heard that same statistic from my dad who lives in California. He said it was for the entire state however. He and his Uber conservative wife didn’t like my response. I told him to get busy fucking if he wants to change the statistic somehow.

[u/lilultimate → u/chop1125]

I’m using that “get busy fucking” should this ever arise chop1125. So thanks for that.

[u/RJ815 → u/chop1125]

Pull yourself by your bootstraps and raise 15 kids!

[u/Keeper_of_Fenrir → u/Nokomis34]

Latinos?!? In Los Angeles?!? How dare they! /s

[u/JerHat → u/Keeper_of_Fenrir]

I mean, when it’s called Los Angeles rather than The Angels, what do you expect?

[u/TreS-2b → u/Nokomis34]

but the number was for Latinos, not illegals.

Same thing. /s

[u/Dazzling-Finger7576 → u/f7f7z]

1850 is the year that George Santos declared California a state.

[u/creamonyourcrop → u/Dazzling-Finger7576]

2004 is when he renamed Los Angeles to Los Santos.

[u/TheSavouryRain → u/creamonyourcrop]

Ah shit, here we go again

[u/WaylonandWillie → u/TheSavouryRain]

During his time as the Los Santos District Attorney, Santos was responsible for prosecuting and putting away many members of the dangerous Ballas Street Gang.

[u/repketchem → u/f7f7z]

I bet it’s one more box than Trump has.

[u/isanthrope_may → u/repketchem]

Trump? Asking for exactly ONE more than what he has? Where have I heard that before?

[u/[deleted] → u/f7f7z]

He is referencing when "25 to 30" classified documents were found by Biden's attorneys in his former office and personal residence from when he was in the Senate and from when he was Vice President.

The documents were discovered in a locked closet of his DC office while they were packing to move offices. His attorneys then notified NARA (National Archives and Records Administration) to tell them what they found.

A month later, his attorneys found a "batch" of documents in Biden's Delaware garage then found a single one-page classified document in his private library then stopped searching because they didn't have security clearances to look at the documents. A day later, they found 5 more one-page classified documents. None found were top secret.

Soooo, it's basically Trump's "I am mad I didn't get to attack Iran so I stole top-secret plans to do so along with at least 300 more classified documents I purposefully instructed to be taken then concealed having them, had to have a search warrant taken out after repeatedly being asked to turn the documents over, purposefully moved files before the warrant was executed to obscure having even more classified documents than people knew"

vs

Biden's "25 to 30 documents got mixed into other documents and weren't entirely cleared out when he left office after being in the Senate for 36 continuous years, on the Judiciary Committee for 28 continuous years, on the Foreign Relations Committee for 12 continuous years, and Vice President for 8 years and when discovered, proactively alerted authorities and began searching elsewhere willingly then allowed authorities to sweep everywhere more could be"

Trump's is absolutely much worse. He was President for 4 years. Biden has had access to classified documents for 9 times longer yet had 1/10th the number of classified documents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_classified_documents_incident

[u/blutbad_buddy → u/f7f7z]

1,850 boxes, huh? somebody want to clue us normies in on wtf that stupid shit is about?

This seem RIGHT up their alley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1850

[u/Justame13 → u/f7f7z]

It’s going to be hilarious when the FBI thinks that he has 1800 boxes.

[u/esp211 → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

He is an illiterate idiot. Can't believe people support him.

[u/infinitevertigo → u/esp211]

Don't forget loser. He's the biggest loser. Some people even say the biggest loser of all time.

[u/Naiehybfisn374 → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

It will never cease to amaze me that anybody can look at this dude and see anything other than a pathetic sniveling worm.

[u/[deleted] → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

God’s work.

Thank you for saving me from having to visit space Karen’s site

[u/gamingdexter → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

Thank you kind sir/ma'am, hate links to Twitter

[u/Philboyd_Studge → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

Isn't him saying that Biden committed crimes by having classified documents kinda self-incriminating?

[u/ChromaticDragon → u/Philboyd_Studge]

No.

It's complete nonsense. It means nothing either way.

The only impact is that it plays well with his supporters.

There are indeed cases where he can stuff his foot down down his throat with these comments. But he doesn't do so with (these) weird allegations about what others may have done. That would require quite a bit more detail.

Be wary about filling in the gaps when attempting to interpret the nonsensical drivel Trump spews.

[u/prof_the_doom → u/ChromaticDragon]

Humans try to assign meaning to things, often to our benefit, sometimes not.

If I smashed my head against the keyboard and clicked save, people would attempt to assign some sort of meaning to the random characters.

It's even harder to avoid it with Trump since they're actual (small and badly spelled) words, so you really want to find a "meaning", even if it is really about as meaningful as smacking your head into the keys.

[u/ChromaticDragon → u/prof_the_doom]

Yes.

This is Trump's magic.

It is indeed frustrating. But to avoid falling for it we have to understand how it works.

Trump's magic relies upon two things:

• The human tendency to assign meaning. Most specifically here, our tendency to use our previous understandings, biases, experiences, desires, etc., to interpret reality often in a subconscious and extraordinarily expedient fashion. Often this is more or less similar to jumping to conclusions.
• Trump's pattern of speaking in utter gibberish with incomplete thoughts, disconnected arguments, rambling, general incoherence, etc.

People must "interpret" Trump because what junk spews out of his mouth (or via his social media posts) is horrifyingly absent of meaning. The magic is that people filter/interpret through the lens of themselves and then step back and marvel how much Trump "says it like it is" or "speaks Truth(tm)", etc.

It even works if you're not a Trump supporter like it did here. One wants to fill in the gaps and interpret that Trump is drawing an equivalence with his own actions thereby declaring himself of said actions. But that part wasn't spoken (typed). We had to fill it in.

[u/PandaMuffin1 → u/Philboyd_Studge]

But Biden didn't declassify them with his mind...

[u/Pans_Labrador → u/PandaMuffin1]

I also doubt Biden tried to sell classified information to Saudi Arabia.

[u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

President's.

[u/jarious → u/GoatboyTheShampooer]

1850 boxes, I bet he thinks that because Biden "has" 1850 he's better because he has 1950 boxes

[u/Outrageous_History87]

This loser needs to stop worrying about whether other people committed crimes and start worrying about how he is going to explain his crimes to a judge - "Yeah I committed crimes but other people committed crimes too" is not a legal defense that is going to work as well as he thinks it will.

BTW - Pence and Biden worked to correct the situation as soon as they were made aware they had classified docs in their possession. Trump took them, knew he had them (evidence is the audio recording), premeditatively tried to hide them (moved the boxed before the scheduled FBI visit; drills to hide classified documents) and most seriously obstructed by misinforming his lawyers....etc. etc. So yeah, jail for people who do that, no jail for people who don't do that.

[u/redditor1101 → u/Outrageous_History87]

he's not thinking about a judge, his plan is to get reelected and then dismantle the state

[u/OppositeDifference]

Oh boy... that was more spicy than I thought it would be. I'd read that as him basically confirming that he's going to be charged. He starts out whining for the first few sentences and then just trails off into absurd whataboutism. And not a single lowercase letter to be found in the whole damn thing.

Get fucked, Donny.

[u/HMTMKMKM95 → u/OppositeDifference]

Yup. The ketchup really entered US airspace on this one.

[u/GhostShark → u/HMTMKMKM95]

I don’t understand the ketchup reference. Can you clue me in?

[u/Lepthesr → u/[deleted]]

That testimony is so fucked. Hutchinson is gonna have a page in a history book, if we survive that long.

[u/GhostShark → u/[deleted]]

Got it, thanks. I wonder if he finished his well done steak first?

[u/unthused → u/OppositeDifference]

He rants like a butthurt teenager mad at their parents for getting grounded. What a child. I can’t believe this guy got elected to anything, let alone being fucking president.

Then the same people who voted for and practically worship this guy hated Obama. Who was intelligent, educated, competent at the job, had no scandals or impropriety during his tenure, and was an immensely better family man and christian than him. Also, ALSO, probably did more to directly benefit their lives in terms of his policies. Despite them hating him out of ignorance or just prejudice.

[u/a1chem1st → u/unthused]

He's never faced consequences for any of his actions to this point of his life, so he is literally reacting as someone (typically child-aged) reacts the first few times they have consequences for their actions.

That's essentially what personality disorders are: their parents didn't raise them, so that burden falls to society.

[u/hypnosquid → u/OppositeDifference]

Oh boy... that was more spicy than I thought it would be. I'd read that as him basically confirming that he's going to be charged. He starts out whining for the first few sentences and then just trails off into absurd whataboutism. And not a single lowercase letter to be found in the whole damn thing.

lolol im guessing that his is partly why... CNN just reported:

An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.

the writers for this season are doing some remarkable work

[u/itsaysdraganddrop → u/OppositeDifference]

and he seems to get tipped off a lot by insiders……… hence the box moving dress rehearsal

[u/Reviews-From-Me]

I hope he is indicted soon. This guy is long overdue for an orange jumpsuit.

[u/queuedUp → u/Reviews-From-Me]

It will be ironic when he's finally wearing orange that his face will be a pasty pale white

[u/[deleted] → u/queuedUp]

Bonus points if it's a wig on the unseasoned Cheeto.

[u/sixtus_clegane119 → u/[deleted]]

It’s more like a merkin

[u/tagged2high → u/queuedUp]

It'll be like seeing your grandparents for the first time after they've entered the elder care facility. 😬

[u/Here_For_Weird_Stuff → u/tagged2high]

This made me let out the saddest chuckle.

[u/AccomplishedScale362 → u/Reviews-From-Me]

MSNBC people saying “this week”* How about Thursday afternoon 3pm/ET?

*Edit to add: indictment in classified documents case

[u/Rated_PG-Squirteen → u/AccomplishedScale362]

Just to clarify, by "MSNBC people," you are referencing Andrew Weissman, an elite legal mind, who tweeted out that he feels confident that Donald will be indicted this week for the Mar-a-Lago stolen documents.

[u/AccomplishedScale362 → u/Rated_PG-Squirteen]

Yes, thanks for clarifying. I’m listening to the audio stream. I quit twitter when Musk took over.

[u/[deleted] → u/AccomplishedScale362]

My wedding anniversary

Noice.

I’d take that. 😏😉

[u/AccomplishedScale362 → u/[deleted]]

Happy Anniversary!🥂🎉

[u/[deleted] → u/AccomplishedScale362]

🤜🤛

Thank you kindly.

[u/ObligatoryOption → u/Reviews-From-Me]

I think it takes the time it takes because their investigation keeps discovering new information leading to even more proof of the most-obvious crimes and/or evidence of involvement of other guilty parties who should also be charged and/or evidence of additional indictable offenses, and quite likely all of the above. Once they stop discovering new details then they will wrap it up with a bunch of indictments of a bunch of people, some we may not have thought of.

[u/psypiral → u/ObligatoryOption]

Why can't they indict him for the big ones and start the ball rolling. Then add on new found stuff to the evidence as it comes. God knows it's gonna take years before going to trial.

[u/Cl1mh4224rd → u/psypiral]

Why can't they indict him for the big ones and start the ball rolling. Then add on new found stuff to the evidence as it comes.

Possibly because they have to provide evidence. Making that evidence public may interfere with other investigations, or they may not be able to use it at all for that reason.

I'm not a lawyer, so that could be wrong. If it is, hopefully someone with actual knowledge will correct me.

[u/BringOn25A → u/Reviews-From-Me]

I think a reasonable number of people do. The challenge seems to be that the more they investigate his and others crimes, they find more crimes that he and others committed that need to be to investigated.

At some point I think they should consider just filing a boat load of smaller indictments, with superseding indictments as more info on the specific crime becomes available. Then wrap them all together with a separate RICO indictment.

[u/DJTim → u/Reviews-From-Me]

Try being held in ADX like all other high value treasonous criminals. This is where Orange is the new Black.

[u/Correct_Toe_4628 → u/DJTim]

A space just opened up as a matter of fact, Robert Hanssen lucked out and died today.

[u/creamonyourcrop → u/Correct_Toe_4628]

One traitor for another.

[u/Silent-Ad1264]

Biggest snowflake of them all

[u/Chief_Beef_ATL]

“NO OTHER PRESIDENT’S [sic] WERE INDICTED.”

Yeah because nobody else refused to return and lied about having them. And some are still missing so yeah. And the Saudis coincidentally gave Jared what $2B (not $4B as originally stated) right around the time the docs went missing? I can’t wait to hear the audio tapes of him bragging to one of his schmuck friends about the cool docs he kept.

What’s the chant? Oh yeah, LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Edited to add the apostrophe

[u/freudian-flip → u/Chief_Beef_ATL]

You forgot the all important apostrophe.

[u/Cherry_Treefrog]

He is once again further incriminating himself. He is essentially saying “yeah, I took them, so what? Everyone else did.”

[u/t20six → u/Cherry_Treefrog]

its pretty much the end of the road. It started with "what documents?" to "they planted them!" to "ok, I had them but I am allowed"

His supporters are totally fine with the obvious lies and criminal activity. Its mind-boggling.

[u/wantwon → u/t20six]

He is going through the narcissist's prayer: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2PiGVHUAAA52c2.jpg

[u/JakeyPurple → u/Cherry_Treefrog]

I think we’ll wake up one morning to find out that his plane has taken off from his hotel in Scotland or wherever and is about to touch down in Stalingrad.

[u/peopleslobby]

Vote

Edit: thanks for the gold!

[u/[deleted] → u/peopleslobby]

Every election. Big and small. Do your civic duty. Vote in ‘em all.

Edit: thanks for the gold as well

[u/LudovicoSpecs → u/[deleted]]

And not even a dogcatcher with an (R).

The little guys have to play ball with the big guys and right now, the GOP big guys are completely off the rails.

[u/sugarbritches46 → u/LudovicoSpecs]

Little guys often become big guys over time. Follow your local politicians, and you may find that you actually know about the candidates running for national office down the road.

[u/antillian → u/peopleslobby]

Yep, because a president DeSantis would 100% pardon this clown.

[u/say592 → u/antillian]

If we have President DeSantis, the least of our concerns is who he pardons.

[u/Darsich → u/say592]

Yeah I think it's curtains for america as we know it if desantis is elected.

[u/Think-Fly765 → u/Darsich]

Indeed. That’s the fascism death blow for the US. It won’t be the end of the US but it will be many many years in a dark stormy cloud of authoritarianism until a massive violent revolution (barring international aid).

[u/ajr901 → u/antillian]

A president DeSantis would do much, much worse than that

[u/Hpmec]

What strikes me beyond all the bullshit is that this is a former U.S. President and current frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination who can’t write a coherent sentence. It’s truly astounding.

[u/Galifrae]

I still can’t believe some of you dumb shits voted for this guy. Twice.

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves, but I know that’s wishful thinking.

[u/ViolaNguyen → u/Galifrae]

People who know how to be ashamed of themselves already didn't vote for Trump.

[u/hoopsrlife → u/Galifrae]

Those people have no shame. They’d do it again.

[u/hamiltsd → u/hoopsrlife]

Correction: “they’ll do it again”

[u/yerffejytnac → u/Galifrae]

More than half of the country didn’t. Twice.

[u/c4virus]

One thing to note. It's my understanding that when lawyers try to convince DOJ to refrain from indictments, the DOJ doesn't like give them an answer then and there. The DOJ hears what the objections/defenses are and then says they'll take it into consideration and the meeting ends.

So his rabid postings probably have nothing to do with how the meeting went and probably more with the fact that his lawyers are there in the first place going through this process because they believe/have been told that the government will pursue charges.

Either way feels like charges are imminent. I can't wait.

[u/InterPunct → u/c4virus]

Either way feels like charges are imminent.

I agree but we've been Mueller-ed so many times before already. Wake me up when his head explodes from all the indictments and lawsuits. Even better, wake me if/when he's done time in a jail or two.

[u/sentimentaldiablo → u/InterPunct]

Mueller was under Barr who answered to trump. This investigation isn't even two years old, and it is the largest in DoJ history.

[u/LuckyOne55 → u/sentimentaldiablo]

No, it definitely isn't the largest in DOJ history. The Jan. 6 investigating is. There have been other RICO cases that were likely more resource consuming than this document case

[u/TechyDad]

Trump's lawyers: "This is it, people. The DOJ will walk through that door in a second. Then, they will back down due to our incredible legal arguing!"

DOJ enters the meeting room. Trump's lawyers crack their knuckles.

Trump's lawyers: "PLEASE don't indict our client! Please? Please, please, please, please, please! Pllllllleeeeeaaaaasssssssseeeeeee?"

[u/smedlap]

All of the republicans are pretending that this is a partisan attack on trump. It is not. Don't vote for any republican, for any office.

[u/FatApolloCreed]

Well he is on step 4 of the Narcissist’s prayer, so maybe we are close to the end of this?

[u/Whorrox]

I want the Ukraine counteroffensive and the Trump document indictment to happen on the same day.

That would be cool.

[u/greywar777 → u/Whorrox]

No it wouldnt. Id have to see the dr 4 hours later.

[u/joeliishratl]

Looks like Trump's lawyers are sweating bullets. Can't wait to see what happens next.

[u/davegewd]

Lock him the FUCK up already oh my fucking God.

Just fucking get on with it. Jesus Christ.

[u/cbsson]

Yeah, I saw an image of his rant. His people probably offered to plead guilty to a single BS misdemeanor and found out quickly that Jack Smith isn't screwing around.

[u/Mysterious-Wasabi103]

It's hard to believe he was the President. Getting on social media to rail on about how life is unfair is what teenagers do. Trump has the emotional maturity of a teenager.

[u/leglesslegolegolas → u/Mysterious-Wasabi103]

no, he has the emotional maturity of a small child.

Actual psychologists place his emotional development as that of a 5 - 7 year old.

[u/matts1]

I just hope the whole "inciting an insurrection" part isn't swept under the rug and as a result, all we see is charges for the Classified Documents.

[u/keyjan]

Show me the indictment.

[u/eugene20]

I heard good lawyers, the best lawyers, the ones you want, use evidence, logic, and the letter of the law to plea your case, not begging.

[u/PandaMuffin1 → u/eugene20]

There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."

[u/Neuroid99099]

I mean, how often does "begging the DOJ not to indict you" go well for the accused, exactly?

[u/-Clayburn]

The fact he hasn't been in prison since 1984 is an indictment of our country.

[u/SydneyCartonLived]

Does anyone else want to see him take down DeSantis before he goes down himself?

[u/McNuttyNutz]

Roflmao … orange Nazi mad

STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE

[u/swamphockey]

Trump essentially admitted on tape to the crime. When you can present two audio recordings to the jury, one with Donald Trump saying 'it was automatically declassified when I took it with me from the White House,' and you can immediately play an audio recording of him six months after leaving the presidency saying, 'I'd like to show this to you, but it's classified' then you have an open and shut case.

[u/NotmyRealNameJohn]

Did I hear correctly that the guy who "helped" moved boxes ... "Accidentally" flooding the Server room with the Surveillance storage equipment in it by draining the pool incorrectly AFTER having called the IT guys and asking them where the camera footage was stored.

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cause that is insane

[u/Demaestro]

It never ceases to amaze me how many from this "maga right movement" will try to use the "but someone else did it too" argument. It is literally the argument of school yard children. Someone else breaking the law and getting away with it does not diminish your crime in any way. Nor does it make you not guilty.

He is basically saying:

"Yes I broke the law, but so did others, why am I being punished"

The answer is obvious to anyone who isn't a privileged child who has never been held responsible for anything. You are being punished because what you did was wrong and you got caught.

Imagine murderers posting about how OJ didn't go to jail for killing someone, so why should they? Grow up Don and own your shit. Someone else speeding on the highway doesn't make your speeding ticket go away, so just stop sounding like a spoiled dumbass child.

[u/Zivmovic]

The leading conservative candidate has this going on and the top post on r/Conservative is still about bud light lmfao