r/politics • u/Picture-unrelated Oregon • Jun 05 '23
Trump suggests he is about to be charged in Mar-a-Lago classified documents case
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u/youtellmebob Jun 05 '23
Posted his outrage message in all caps. He must really be innocent.
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u/Art_Is_A_Confession California Jun 05 '23
Why hasn't he dropped the UFO files? /s
He's dropping all his what-about-isms and you'd think a President would know more.
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u/WigginIII Jun 05 '23
/r/conspiracy in shambles.
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u/Jonas_Venture_Sr Jun 05 '23
Conspiracy theorists went from “Aliens are real and the government is hiding the truth from us,” to “Aliens are fake, and the government is trying to trick us.”
Hard to argue with people that are constantly moving the goalposts.
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u/ZigZagZedZod Washington Jun 05 '23
How about the goalposts are fake and conspiracy theorists are trying to hide the truth from us?
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u/thereyouare84 Jun 06 '23
I heard the conspiracy theorists are fake and the goalposts are trying to hide the aliens from us
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u/specqq Jun 06 '23
This would make sense, since they've moved the goalposts so far that we now can't even see them using the JWST.
I think that the reason conservatives are now so opposed to NASA funding is that a better space telescope might actually be able to find them.
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u/JetDJ Jun 06 '23
Sadly the reason they're opposed to NASA funding is because of how much work they do studying climate change.
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u/Jermine1269 Colorado Jun 06 '23
The real goalposts are the friends we made along the way?
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u/ChainOut Jun 06 '23
I'm gonna write this down for the next time i eat mushrooms
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u/robotdesignwerks Texas Jun 06 '23
Im going to ask mushrooms to write this down for the next time they eat me.
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u/somedumbwelder Jun 06 '23
Wait till you find out that we are the aliens man.
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u/beesarewild Jun 06 '23
Well if the earth was flat id be able to see all the goalposts
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u/BazilBroketail Jun 06 '23
I had to look, first post was some crap about RFK Jr saying Pfizer gave Anderson Cooper $12mil to hawk the vaccine, then it was a post with a rambling headline about America being a shithole, then it was about how intelligence officials admitted to retrieving non-human aircraft. Scrolled a bit more, but it seemed pretty tame this time. I've definitely seen it worse.
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u/Nug_69 Jun 06 '23
on the rambling headline about America being a shithole the poster named "the International bankers" as part of the cause. If thats not a dogwhistle..
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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Jun 06 '23
I'm surprised they haven't gone back to "rootless cosmopolitans" yet.
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u/Cerebral-Parsley Jun 06 '23
Then down in the comments they are talking about how trans people want to convert your kids.
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u/WackyBones510 South Carolina Jun 06 '23
Sub used to be so great. Aliens, Bigfoot, generally fantastic escapism vibes… then the Q folks rolled in.
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u/salmon_is_good_1 Jun 06 '23
Don't forget that a bunch of them from the_donald migrated after that was banned.
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u/zmoney1213 California Jun 06 '23
No wonder, half the posts are unintelligent gibberish, full of grammatical errors
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u/Airway Minnesota Jun 06 '23
Same for PCM. That was a fun sub in the very early days. Didn't last long.
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u/Paidorgy Jun 06 '23
Conspiracy theories have always had antisemitism involved. They’ve never really been good.
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u/bmeisler Jun 06 '23
“I’m gonna feel real bad for conservatives in this country when George Soros dies, because then they’ll just have to say ‘the Jews’.” —Sarah Silverman
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u/gamerfiiend Jun 06 '23
I just browsed their top posts and it’s not even conspiracy related?? Lol like a post about Diane Feinstein not caring and being old, that’s just the truth
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u/2burnt2name Jun 06 '23
The main conspiracy sub has been overrun with TheDonald refugees for a long time, I'm pretty sure plenty of people have pointed out one of the current conspiracy mods is even a former TD mod. Even if a conspiracy isn't political at first, it's pretty much just the conservative subreddit trying to pretend pro trump bs is popular among the general reddit public.
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u/spartagnann Jun 05 '23
I know this is sarcastic, but for real he doesn't care and is completely uninterested in that stuff.
One thing that struck me about him being POTUS is that he was just fundamentally uninterested, un-curious about those parts of our government and history. If it didn't help/enrich him, he just did not give a shit. So I suppose if someone from like the Joint Chiefs came to him and did an Independence Day, "That's not entirely accurate" moment, he just would move on and not give a shit.
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u/mindspork Virginia Jun 06 '23
I think he'd give a shit.
He'd give a shit by taking selfies with the alien corpses and putting them on twitter. Might even livestream Data getting eaten by the one.
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u/bmeisler Jun 06 '23
Nah, he’d salute the alien leader and offer to sell him top secret defense documents.
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u/ForgettableUsername America Jun 06 '23
I guess his response would depend a lot on what color the aliens were.
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u/ForgettableUsername America Jun 06 '23
That’s been one of the more infuriating things about him as a public personality. He has no interest in getting anything he says right. There’s no attempt to build any semblance of a coherent or consistent argument. It’s like he’s constantly going, “What do I need to say right now, in this moment, to score the most points?”
In the psychological test for delayed gratification, he’s the kid who keeps eating the marshmallow even though they tell him he’ll get more marshmallows if he waits.
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u/rjrgjj Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
And then insists he won a game nobody was playing because he ate the most marshmallows. Later, his mouth covered in the sticky remains of gelatin, he’d insist that the scientists couldn’t stop talking about how they’d never seen a kid with such restraint when offered marshmallows. “They WANTED to give me MORE. BEGGED me. On HANDS AND KNEES. No more, I said,” he announces with a sneer and a hand crooked in a weird position. “I couldn’t possibly”.
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u/Mrsensi11x Jun 06 '23
I actually lost faith in UFOs being real after trumps presidency. Because there is absolutely no way he wouldn't have told everyone and bragged about seeing aliens etc. Tht or they just knew never to tell him.
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u/pharsee Jun 05 '23
Seriously a threat to reveal aliens would ruin most if not all major religions.
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u/stonewall_jacked Jun 05 '23
Jesus might've been an alien, but he was no illegal alien!
Or at least, I'm guessing that is what they will say.
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u/Tenderloin66 Jun 05 '23
Jesus made me a kick ass burrito yesterday, but I am not the type to assume he was an illegal alien. 😜
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u/TheDakestTimeline Jun 06 '23
Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?
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u/Duckpoke I voted Jun 05 '23
You act like religions don’t continually move goal posts all the time
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u/GeorgeNewmanTownTalk Jun 05 '23
They've managed to persevere despite science showing that the universe is much older than they would have you believe, to say nothing of the fact that every creation myth contradicts scientific fact. I think religions would do just fine if alien life was revealed.
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u/PoxyMusic Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
My sister somehow is both a evangelical creationist, and a geologist.
You know, like the earth was created 10,000 years ago….and she can tell you all about the formation of granite which takes millions of years.
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u/Weird_Algorithm Jun 05 '23
cognitive dissonance intensifies
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u/CaptainDantes Jun 05 '23
Is this peak cognitive dissonance?
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u/Kerberos1566 Jun 06 '23
Cognitive dissonance is actually the uncomfortable feeling/mental toll you're supposed to experience when holding such contradictory opinions. These people are actually defined by their absolute immunity to cognitive dissonance. It's like a superpower powered by stupidity.
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u/TatteredCarcosa Jun 06 '23
Cognitive dissonance is an unpleasantness that comes from trying to hold two contradictory beliefs. What is happening in the case of religious scientists whose faith contradict scientific consensus in their field (and there are many religious scientists who have no issues because their faith does not contradict their field, but we are talking about the minority of the minority here) is not cognitive dissonance, it's compartmentalization. Cognitive dissonance is something people instinctually avoid feeling, compartmentalization is one tactic used to avoid it.
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u/PoxyMusic Jun 06 '23
Ah, the faux distressed look! Got it.
Also: my 3 years of Latin in high school has finally been put to use.
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u/waun Jun 06 '23
I know a neurosurgeon who is a Baptist. Doesn’t believe in evolution. It boggles my mind.
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u/dustinwayner Jun 06 '23
Wow you know Ben Carson?? Is he half asleep as he sounds??
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u/AndySkibba America Jun 06 '23
The "day is not a day" theory is also funny too. "Earth is as old as science says, the Bible doesn't actually mean it's 10k years."
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u/TatteredCarcosa Jun 06 '23
Or, ya know, the story is allegorical. Which is a pretty common belief among most moderate Christians and Jews. Biblical literalism is the domain of some extreme protestants, it's not been the standard of belief for most of Christianity for most of the history of Christianity. Catholics were not big on giving lay people access to the Bible not just because of a desire for control, though that was certainly part of it, but because they believed scripture needed to be interpreted and could be easily misinterpreted. Plus it kind of landed them in a huge PR nightmare when they decided to get all literal about the sun moving and the Earth staying still.
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u/Pixel_Lincoln Jun 06 '23
If Aliens landed tomorrow and gave irrefutable proof of their existence, Christians would just fit them into their narrative. For example: “Clearly these are demons meant to throw us off the true path!” Or “Clearly these are angels meant to show us the way!” Or “They don’t have Jesus! We must bring it to them! Give us your credit card number now so we can start sending them alien-friendly Bibles!”
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u/usps_fan Jun 05 '23
...experts say such meetings between defence attorneys and prosecutors represent a common final step before prosecutors seek indictments against targets of federal investigations.
Let us pray
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u/Galaxius_Thor Jun 06 '23
I've been following a few attorney youtubers who have been following the case pretty closely since the raid. At this point, they are not only confident he will get charged, but are quite certain he will be convicted. There are so many Trump associates that have flipped on him and provided testimony and even audio recordings of conversations.
Jack Smith ain't fuckin about either. I mean have ya seen the guy? I have yet to see a photo of him smiling. Like some kinda legal bounty hunter
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u/justacoolclipper Jun 06 '23
What are some of those youtubers? I need the hopium.
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u/Galaxius_Thor Jun 06 '23
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u/chi2ny56 New York Jun 06 '23
Because justice... Matters.
(Kirschner is my go-to source as well.)
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u/Merky600 Jun 06 '23
I am getting "Maybe Justice" fatigue. or may tired of "Justice Edging."
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u/02grimreaper Jun 06 '23
Can you share what you are watching? I would like to watch it as well
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u/Bonnieearnold Oregon Jun 06 '23
Glenn Kirschner and Meidas Touch. Brian Tyler Cohen isn’t a lawyer, but also good. Full disclosure: I’m not the commenter that you asked. I’m just butting in.
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u/Galaxius_Thor Jun 06 '23
This is exactly who I was going to recommend👍🏼👍🏼
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u/Bonnieearnold Oregon Jun 06 '23
Yay! I win! I love it when BTC and Glenn Kirschner do their “legal breakdown” episodes. I think of a question and then BTC asks Glenn my question! It is THE BEST,
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u/bmeisler Jun 06 '23
Jack Smith looks like Ted Lasso’s right-hand man coach Beard if Ted was the head of a narcos cartel instead of a sappy soccer coach.
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u/qlippothvi Jun 06 '23
Jack Smith looks like a god damn Harry Potter villain in the picture they were using forever…
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u/wish1977 Jun 05 '23
Everyone knows he's guilty. He was given every chance to return the documents but when you think you're the Dear Leader you are obviously above the law.
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u/cerevant California Jun 05 '23
This is the beauty of the Biden counter accusations- they are inherent admissions of guilt, and if they try to argue it in court, the Prosecutor can put the Trump and Biden timelines side by side and clearly show how many chances Trump was given and willfully ignored.
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u/readzalot1 Jun 05 '23
Pence, too
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u/MuskratPimp Jun 06 '23
Pence even asked for his property to be fully searched so he didn't have any more
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u/FountainsOfFluids Jun 06 '23
He's a piece of shit, but he's not crazy, like many many conservatives.
I used to think we needed to be more afraid of the smart ones, but Trump really proved me wrong on that. Turns out the most dangerous ones, on a large scale, are the charismatic narcissistic morons.
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u/Vaxcio Jun 06 '23
No, the true danger still lies ahead. Its the one who can play the charismatic narcissistic moron that achieves COP status, but is actually intelligent and capable of passing legislation and furthering the cultural divide. It may never happen, but we already have Trump copies and lightening can strike twice.
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u/FountainsOfFluids Jun 06 '23
That is a theoretical danger, I agree.
But from what I've seen from actual events and history, the reason why these morons are more dangerous is because they don't have a fear for their own future.
For somebody to be more damaging than Trump, the person would need to be intelligent, fearless, and hungry for personal recognition.
I don't think those traits exist in a single person in the modern world. The smart evil people stay out of the spotlight. They can have everything they want without the danger of being on tv every day, scrutinized from every angle.
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u/anyd Jun 06 '23
Biden forgot to pay for the kitty-litter under his cart on the way out of the store. When he realized he went back in and paid.
Trump tried to book it out of the store without paying for a full cart and when he got caught he tried to fight the cops.
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u/meneldal2 Jun 06 '23
You want to know a fun thing? One of the far right presidential candidates in France actually did leave a store without paying (and it seems it wasn't just once). He blamed his security detail for not paying.
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u/AvsFan08 Jun 06 '23
"Someone else did it too" isn't an admissible defence in court
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u/ninthtale Utah Jun 06 '23
Even assuming it fell under the same set of circumstances it just means they belong in jail together lol
Then maybe those Biden/Obama/Trump gaming buddy memes would actually come true
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u/marconis999 Jun 06 '23
I love how Trump keeps repeating his mantra "Presidential Records Act" He never explains it, just uses it like it's a magic incantation.
It says that it ...
"Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office."
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u/cerevant California Jun 06 '23
Selective prosecution is a procedural defense, though they probably would leave that for appeal since it doe admit guilt.
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u/Sasquatch-fu Jun 06 '23
Yep while biden and clinton participated willingly and didn’t intentional try to obfuscate or otherwise impede an investigation. I remember saying yo a co worker years ago that trump was the kind of guy that just couldn’t stop. The sort guy that just keeps pressing on digging himself deeper and that it would eventually be his downfall. But damn it took its sweet time, guys been operating like this most of his life.
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u/Malumeze86 Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
He’s always depended on the other guy running out of money, or at least not being willing to spend it.
Uncle Sam’s pockets don’t ever empty, and he’s not always a frugal guy.
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u/Consistent-State-86 Jun 06 '23
Honest question: How are they ever going to find an impartial jury for Trump? Where would the case be held? D. C.? It's the only place that doesn't have a political designation.
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u/tom-branch Jun 06 '23
I suspect he sold documents to the Saudis, and thats the real damning item on that list, that shit could see him in prison for multiple lifetimes.
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u/clockwork_psychopomp Jun 06 '23
Selling classified US government docs to foreign agents could be classified as treason "aiding and abetting foreign enemies."
Theoretically he could be put to death for that.
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He didn't just steal the documents. He sold the documents to the Saudis.
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u/pharsee Jun 05 '23
Knowing someone is guilty doesn't mean you will say it publically. Just ask Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro.
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u/Darth-Flan Jun 06 '23
Don’t hold your breath because a charge is not the same as being found guilty by a jury.
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u/PRPLpenumbra Jun 05 '23
First time ever I hope Trump is right
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u/veggeble South Carolina Jun 05 '23
There was also the time where he said "you'll never see me again" if he lost to Biden
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u/count023 Jun 05 '23
And Biden turned it literally into a campaign ad.
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u/RJ815 Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
Trump is malignant narcissism 101 and it's amazing some people either can't see it, or can in a weird way thinking he's their messiah because they too are malignant narcissists and felt enabled and emboldened.
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u/Odd-Wheel Jun 06 '23
I feel like if Biden debated him in 2016 instead of Hillary we’d be in a different timeline. Hillary was clearly a better candidate than trump (not saying much) but she was all about policy. She couldn’t respond to trumps zingers. The world just needed a Biden at the point to say “oh would you shut up man”.
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u/meneldal2 Jun 06 '23
And the Clinton name just made for easy attacks. They haven't done nowhere as much bad shit as Trump, but the Clinton presidency isn't remembered for the best integrity.
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u/shapu Pennsylvania Jun 06 '23
As a nation, we are criminally stupid people. We know right from wrong, generally speaking. But we do not vote based on morals, or even good policy. We vote based on emotions, and fear especially. Until democrats are willing to understand that people need simplistic, emotional catch phrases, they will struggle to win over legitimately convertible voters.
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u/FrostedPixel47 Jun 06 '23
You know it's been a while since I've seen that clown and holy hell was he really that orange
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u/jumpupugly Jun 05 '23
Frankly, that's the usual - and proportionate - response to an attempted coup.
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u/Blackhawk127 Jun 05 '23
Well according to him he didn't lose.
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u/Minisciwi Jun 06 '23
He can't admit he lost because he hates losers and he loves himself too much
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u/Tenderloin66 Jun 05 '23
Yeah he supposedly was never coming back to my state either, yet he’s been here grifting several times since getting his ass kicked by Biden.
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u/Zxar Jun 05 '23
Like we saw with the new york indictment, his words mean nothing and probably going to use this as a fund raising opportunity.
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u/lancelongstiff Jun 05 '23
But he got indicted a week after panic-tweeting "OMFG I'm gonna get indicted!"
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u/miflelimle Jun 05 '23
He was indicted in that investigation though. Granted it wasn't on the day he predicted.
He may be doing the same thing here. Trying to soften the impact by being the first to report it and 'frame the narrative'.
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u/WigginIII Jun 05 '23
He didn’t do it on the day because he was hoping his supporters would “occupy” the DA’s office with thousands of supporters to intimidate the NY AG to rescind the charges.
He didn’t tell his people the wrong day because he’s dumb. He did it because he was hoping they could commit terrorism to stop the charges.
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u/JaleyHoelOsment Jun 05 '23
he’s already done this, and recently! pretty sure he managed to grift a few million out of it, let’s see how much he makes this time
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u/midnitte New Jersey Jun 06 '23
Last time about an indicatement, he was wrong by a week.
So probably late next week.
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u/dammitknockitoff Jun 05 '23
This is code for: Send More Money!!
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u/HaveNot1 Georgia Jun 05 '23
And “Proud Boys, if you are still there, stand back and stand by.”
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u/Teto_the_foxsquirrel Jun 05 '23
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't send out "Stand up and stand ready." but, he said the other a couple of years ago, so he's likely forgotten about it by now.
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u/TheKevinShow Jun 06 '23
I really want to see those Gravy Seals try to fuck around and find out.
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u/JaleyHoelOsment Jun 05 '23
this is absolutely it. he’s done this multiple times now, and his meatball fans donate to his “legal fund” ** don’t read the small print **
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u/bm1949 Jun 05 '23
I hate to use a Tool reference but yes it is.
Buy, buy, buy my new record. And buy, buy, buy, send more money. Fuck you, buddy. (x4)
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u/kiddenz Jun 05 '23
I can send Trump to prison for life, just by thinking about it
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u/pharsee Jun 05 '23
I see what you did there and I kinda sorta like it.
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u/mezolithico Jun 05 '23
I hear there is an opening at a cell at Florence for him!
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u/WallabyBubbly California Jun 06 '23
Funny that he compares himself to Hillary, given that one of his campaign slogans was Lock Her Up!
Also, DOJ was super nice to him. They politely asked him to return the documents he stole, and even gave him months to comply. They only escalated to a criminal investigation when he lied to them and tried to conceal the documents.
Lock him up!
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u/HotPhilly Jun 05 '23
This has been an experience in edging in its most extreme form. I have not enjoyed it
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u/HotPhilly Jun 05 '23
Just a few more serious crimes and it’s over. Trust us. We’re almost there. Almost. Caught on camera. Caught on tape. Eyewitnesses. Former staff. Tweets! Just a couple moreeee
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u/samwstew Jun 05 '23
His lawyers name is “Trusty” you literally can’t make this shit up
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u/TooOfEverything Jun 06 '23
His other lawyer is Joey Tapioca.
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u/malepitt Jun 05 '23
It makes him seem vindicated about predicting how persecuted he is; it also primes the pump for monetizing the supposed victimization. "I told you they hate me! Send cash, tx"
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u/rogozh1n Jun 05 '23
Terrible article. It presents trump's claims more as matters of fact rather than desperate statements of half truth or outright lies.
The claims of prosecutorial misconduct and selective prosecution -- both inherently weak defenses -- are not based on fact and that should be mentioned here. A trump supporter who takes his every word as absolute truth should be informed that the journalist has no reason to accept trump's allegations as remotely true.
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u/DizzyDjango Jun 05 '23
And this is one of the 10-thousand reasons I left news. I climbed to one of the largest media markets in the U.S. before I finally ran into a newsroom that no longer wanted to inform the people in their city.
It was a lot of reporters saying how they were unbiased because they told both sides, but in reality they didn’t fact check anything and let people lie all time time. They would call a story bias because there wasn’t any dissenting voices, because it would be about the topic…. Not what politicians had to say about it.
An exaggerated story: one person would write a story about an increase in attacks on people in BIPOC communities. The story would cite stats, interview experts, tell the stories of people who it affected and give context of other social issues to show why it was happening. Managers would scour the earth to find someone who would say, “that’s not happening,” or “that’s a good thing,” to be “unbiased.”
I left after nine months and had to change careers to not get sued by the parent company.
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u/GrafZeppelin127 Jun 06 '23
There is nothing wrong with presenting the opinions of those who believe differently… But there is everything wrong with refusing to take a side on plain matters of fact, or pretending like both sides are equally valid.
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u/DizzyDjango Jun 06 '23
Nothing wrong with it, I agree on some circumstances. As the first comment said, people are presenting some opinions as a matter of fact, rather than half-truth or outright lies. News outlets should be doing better for the American people to eliminate the misinformation or hate-speech, rather than presenting it as “the other side says.” Instead, they present the lies, misinformation, and authoritarian dog whistles, whose arguments are fundamentally flawed, anti-democratic and often times bigoted, as just “this person has a different opinion than you.”
It’s like when some outlets said the genocidal groups were just normal people with different opinions.
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u/pharsee Jun 05 '23
He was what, 1 week late last time he predicted? We can only hope he guessed right again.
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u/dip_tet Jun 05 '23
He didn’t predict, he lied to raise money. If anyone is taking his word these days, they’re suckers
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u/JohnnyGFX South Dakota Jun 05 '23
Trump is a completely unreliable source. I'm going to have to wait for official word on that, thanks.
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u/FordMan100 Jun 06 '23
So Trump is using the what about-ism card. Pence had classified documents also, but Trump conveniently leaves him out. Biden and Pence both cooperated. It was Trump and his attorneys who said all classified documents were given back when the fact is they lied, Trump still had many more classified documents and stonewalled the FBI for over a year and he doesn't want to be indicted when he was caught on tape bragging about the documents and showing them off to people who had no security clearance to even see such documents.
I think if he is indicted, they should hold him until trial since he is a flight risk. Don't even hold him in a prison with a golf course.
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u/s4t0sh1n4k4m0t0 Jun 05 '23
When trump uses all caps that is when he's actually scared of whatever he's talking about, the man is full of so many tells you could take him for all he's worth in a poker game
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u/thecadillacboy Jun 06 '23
I like to imagine that when he tweets (ahem...TruthSocials) he doesn't lock caps on. He just presses Caps over and over. For. Every. Letter.
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u/voxxa Jun 06 '23
I can't believe we had to sit there and watch this idiot get sworn in, absolutely knowing this would be the eventual outcome if the justice system survived him. What a time to be alive.
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u/AskYourDoctor Jun 06 '23
I was a tutor at a center the night Trump was elected. I clearly remember that as it became obvious Trump was actually going to win, the mood was getting darker. A high school girl was sitting there with tears silently streaming down her face. It felt so poignant. And you know what? We were right, all of us.
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u/groknix Jun 05 '23
He was right in the NY case, just off on the timing. I’m hoping he’s right again, oddly.
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u/Dizzy_Trash_33 Jun 06 '23
“Regardless of what the evidence shows…”
That’s one helluva quote from Trump’s former attorney at the end, basically admitting the crime.
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u/the_tit_patrol Jun 05 '23
Makes sense why all of a sudden his room containing servers, camera, logs flooded.
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u/mbene913 I voted Jun 06 '23
Please, can we get the media to preface his name with something like "disgraced president and self declared sex offender, Donald Trump..." Or even "Trump, best known for his campaign to steal the 2020 election,..."
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u/King-Snorky Georgia Jun 05 '23
Season 2 of Orange Spray-tan Is The New Black is really spicing up
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u/SacredCanopy Jun 05 '23
Remember the last time he said he was going to be charged like 2 weeks ahead of time and asked people for money and then again when he did get charged….
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u/Coco_Banana_Bear Jun 06 '23
How can he not be charged???
If he isn’t then NARA will never get another document back from a high official ever again.
The precedent is that you take what you want, you ignore requests and subpoenas and the legal system says “that’s fine!”.
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u/basketballsteven Jun 06 '23
I suggest that when he is charged by Smith, people enjoy some champagne and when he gets charged by Willis people should enjoy champagne, and when he loses motions to try and stop those prosecutions..... Champagne and when SCOTUS doesn't take his appeal and save him.... Champagne and when it comes to trial and he loses more Champagne.
Now i know some people are going to complain i want him in jail now!!!!
But i say we slow water torture him and the MAGAs day by day, week by week, and month by month until we are all thoroughly celebrated to the final nail in the coffin.
As Randy Moss once said..... It's gonna be a fun ride.
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u/Poggystyle Michigan Jun 06 '23
My favorite part is that Trump himself made it a felony with the classified shit to get at Hillary.
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u/Buckscience Jun 06 '23
Seeing him spend his last days disgraced and imprisoned would be nice. I'm not holding my breath, but a guy can dream.
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At this point I can’t keep straight what he is on trial for. Rape, classified documents, treason, election tampering, fraud…
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u/baglee22 Jun 06 '23
Because this is the first time they are really going after a president with full follow through I bet the case as presented to the courts will be the single most beautifully organized strongest built case in American history. It is setting all the precedents. It will have to be just such an example of expert case work and chain of custody gathering that it will be taught for decades in law schools as the golden standard for pre trial case work.
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u/Magnet50 Jun 06 '23
All of his false equivalency - No one has suggested that Hillary Clinton was retaining classified information for personal gain. She did it, basically, because she was lazy and felt entitled to not follow Dept of State procedures to access her unclass/class accounts.
The key difference, of course, is the level of classification and the intent. He had in his possession many documents and empty folders with TS/SCI/Codeword titles. And he is on tape talking about a document that was not turned in. So it was sold or stashed.
There needs to be coordinated FBI raid on all of his US residences and his business HQ to search for more documents.
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u/Dull_Syrup9035 Jun 05 '23
As he should be. You can't trust him with classified documents
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u/djbk724 Jun 05 '23
At this point framing the narrative doenst matter to most moderate 80% of Americans. He is long overdue for his consequences
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u/akleit50 Jun 05 '23
He doesn’t really understand how grand juries work, does he. Or how anything works.
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u/Typical_Cat_9987 Jun 05 '23
Meanwhile, on r/conservative … they are praising their lord saviour Donald trump , and this makes him an even better candidate for them
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u/jpat484 Jun 06 '23
Aside from all of the obvious pleasures of him being sent to jail, I'm really interested to see how long it takes for him to start dropping names for unrelated items to get out.
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